NOT SO FAST....

[malta blue]

I am a woman and I support Barack Obama.

My support for Barack Obama does not make me less of a woman.

This "woman" ad pisses me off.

That is all.

:rant:

[mcctatas]

1. I agree completely....

I also think it is highly insulting when other women suggest that I am somehow betraying the sisterhood because I am not a Hillary supporter. I am now and forever more an "Obamazon"!!!

[malta blue]

2. Obamazon...

I like it :thumbsup:

I found myself profoundly Pissed the F**k off when I heard Hillary on the stump talking about an 88-year-old woman who requested an absentee ballot so she could vote for a woman before she died. :nuke::mad::nuke:

If you don't feel equal, you will never BE EQUAL.

Damn - man or woman, brown or white, we need to alter the course of history now, and Obama is the INDIVIDUAL to do it.

[Lyric]

17. I like you malta blue, but I disagree with you.

The argument you give sounds a lot like the ones used against affirmative action--"We need to stop focusing on race/sex/etc. and focus on the individual". That's not fair at all when you consider that some individuals have inborn advantages that other individuals do not, and thus need "extra" help in order to have a level chance at truly competing.

There is nothing wrong with advocating minority empowerment, and there is certainly nothing wrong with the people who belong to said political minority trying to vote a member of "their own" into power--and/or being upset when that effort fails. Likewise, there's nothing wrong with a candidate who chooses to tell those stories on the campaign trail--frankly, I'd think it was perfectly fair if Obama did exactly the same thing. Unfortunately, it can't really happen, because the right-wing fucktards would jump all over it--"Oh, see, he's just the Black candidate!!1" Gender oppression has a longer history in America (and even in the larger world), but racial oppression is more in-your-face and divisive, and more easily used as a hammer against a potential candidate.

This is why I dislike the claims from folks on both sides of this primary that women who vote for the "the woman" or black people who vote for "the black person" are somehow wrong. It's not the least bit wrong. It's actually perfectly reasonable. The paradigm will never change until we get more minorities into office and prove to the nation that they are every bit as capable as the white Christian males who currently run this joint. However, the people who self-righteously claim that women HAVE to support Clinton, or that black people HAVE to support Obama are just as unfairly judgmental as the people who claim that basing support on minority status is somehow wrong.

Also, I hate it when people try to declare that black people/women will revolt en masse if we don't nominate Obama/Clinton. It's just another kind of stereotyping, and I don't buy it for a moment. There is no female/black "hive mind", truly.

Hope that made sense. :hi:

[TZ]

20. I don't see it that way

I see the assumption that women will vote for women or minorities for minorites as a subtle form of racism and sexism. It suggests that women +minorities are mindlessly voting for someone based on physical characteristics, not whether or not someone is the best for the job. And I don't think I'm alone in reading it this way. Truly empowered minorites vote for the candidate they think will be the most open to their POV, not who looks like them.

[malta blue]

22. Points taken and fully understood

:hi:

I was making those statements toward the "self-righteous: folk you were referring to.

As a latina, I have been a victim of racism directed at me - even though you would NEVER think I was latina to look at me. After all, I have very white skin and my kid is blonde with blue eyes.

[nichomachus]

21. When did being dead

ever stop a Democrat from voting? Dead people have been voting for years in Boston and Chicago.

[msallied]

24. And according to Dino Rossi in Washington state

plenty of Democratic zombies turned out for Christine Gregoire in our cluster fuck of a gubernatorial race in 2004. lol

[myrna minx]

5. Obamazon! I love it.

:D

[Swamp Rat]

7. Obamazons vs. Hillary Priest

Only on Pay-Per-View!... $49.95!

[sniffa]

10. All Hill Breaks Loose

:rofl:

[malta blue]

13. that picture...

:spray::spray:

Killin me....


Hey - our buddy earned his PhD and gets to walk across the stage tomorrow :bounce:

[Swamp Rat]

26. hey malta blue

:hi:

Yeah, I heard the news. :applause:

[malta blue]

27. frightening how people actually believe this stuff..

:scared:

Nice to see you today :pals:

[myrna minx]

3. This feminist voter is highly insulted that someone arbitrarily

decided to speak for me. I'm fully capable of making decisions for myself, thank you very much. And this feminist is for Obama.

[malta blue]

4. Absolutely.

It is an insult to my intelligence to assume that because I am a woman, I support that woman.

[bicentennial_baby]

9. Agreed

:toast:

[FrenchieCat]

6. Aye!

[Faygo Kid]

8. The tone was presumptuous, indeed.

I have never known any gender to speak with one voice.

It's not as simple as that ad made it out to be. In many ways.

[Rhiannon12866]

11. K&R, my friend. I'm with you.

This whole argument has gone way over the line, and I've finally gotten to the point that I've turned it off for the duration... x(

[malta blue]

12. Thanks hon....

Hey - looks like this weekend is a wash - but maybe next weekend?

I am going to spend all day Sunday working on organizing my sunroom which has become the catch-all for everyone's sh*t during the winter.

[Rhiannon12866]

15. I have no plans, anytime.

I have lots of stuff that I should be doing, but I no longer have much heart for anything, since I'm alone again with two dogs. At least my car is legal now.

[malta blue]

16. check your pm

:hug:

[bicentennial_baby]

19. My fellow alumna!!

w00t! NMH represent! :bounce:

:hi:

[Lerkfish]

14. absolutely.

[The Doctor.]

18. The sexism is stunning.

I was just told that it's "Too bad our Party isn't progressive enough yet to support a female candidate for President.

As though that were all the necessary criteria.

I had to ask; 'Why aren't you 'progressive enough' to support a black candidate for President?' - to point out the obvious stupidity of the original lamentation.


It's just fascinating that these people can't listen to themselves.

[malta blue]

23. it's so sad that someone would say that...nt

[ClassWarrior]

25. Too bad our trolls aren't progressive enough yet to support the best candidate for President...

...regardless of gender.

:rofl:

NGU.