OK. SPILL IT Fellow Cultistas. How Many of You Have Been on Blogging Conference Calls with Obama??

[K Gardner]

(Updated with partial transcript of the call below.)

Because I just heard Hillary talking to her BLOGGERS ("We've GOT to win", "He refuses to debate me anymore").. absolutely trashing Obama. trashing the DNC like her husband did, and providing the stinking TALKING POINTS we've seen here for days. ("It is CONFIRMED.. we are ahead in the popular vote!")

So Clinton is instructing these bots who are spamming DU with crap. DU is being willingly used as a pawn of the Clinton Campaign. She is STILL attacking, via surrogates and bloggers, all while putting on a nice face for the cameras so the media will say she's not attacking.

This is despicable. ("For me, it is ALL ABOUT WINNING. I WILL WIN. I believe my opponent.. "could" win.")

("I deeply regret the vitriol and rhetoric that has been thrown around at you for supporting me, at women in general. This too shall pass. I'm impervious to their insults. What we need to be doing is figuring out how we're going to swear in a Democrat next Jan 20th.")

http://www.taylormarsh.com/podcast/mp3/stream.2008-05-16.134204.mp3 ">This is absolutely a MUST HEAR VIDEO - You will recognize the Posts you've seen here, immediately.

Bill Clinton, as madfloridian said, is totally On-Point because he is following exactly the script of this call.

Bill Trashing Dems in Kentucky

Bill Attacking Dems in Montana

Now, of course, I will immediately retract this if someone.. anyone here.. can tell me they've been on a Blogger Conference Call with Barack. Because I'm pissed I was left out ! I've worked hard, dammit. I deserve to be on the Bloggocalls !

Can we get a transcript of this garbage? It IS Hillary at her triangulating and deceitful best. In the meantime, I may stay up tonight and try to transcribe some of the most egregious remarks. Ewww.

Some Partial Transcription Not Recorded Above:

"I am grateful to you for what you're blogging and the very strong arguments you are making on my behalf. I think there are important issues at stake. This is not an election we can lose. We've got to win. I know YOUR VOICES make a real difference. Your engagement in these very significant ways helps us .. influence the rest of the blogosphere and beyond. I'm moving on in these next contests. I'm in Oregon, doing a town hall tonight. Obama declined.. he refuses to stand side by side with me or to talk about issues, answer tough questions; it's been a real disservice to the people of Oregon that he hasn't been willing to debate. I just want to make a couple of points. First, we have acknowledgement I'm 50,000 ahead in the popular vote. I'll end the elections on June 3 ahead in popular vote. Second, we are totally devoted to making sure Mi and FL count. I find it inexplicable the Democratic Party would not find a way... disenfranchise voters... I think the delegation should be seated. Third, as of our big win in W VA, which is especially significant since Democrats don't win the WH without W VA, we have the electoral map. It will be very difficult for Obama to win on the electoral count.. it is the MAP not the MATH. If people will only look at that, it strengthens our argument. I believe that. I wouldn't be working as hard as I am if I didn't believe it. We've got to get people to start focusing on this because that's what the SDs are supposed to be doing, exercising judgement about who will be the strongest candidate and I have a strong case there. I want to thank you because I know its not been easy."

"Talk Left Guy" Armando

Q: I've become an admirer. Asks about the fight for FL and MI. Importance of working class voters. Importance of not giving in to media. Are you concerned there is not enough attention being paid by Obama and the Party to uniting?

A: We can't win without a significant percentage of WORKING PEOPLE. We also can't win FL if we're going to disenfranchise them. These are critical points we have to keep making over and over and over again. When we finally have a nominee, we will make the point to our supporters that we have more in common with each other than we do with McCain. I will have an ability to try to rally the people who voted for me in November. Full page ad in USA Today, which is very striking, talks specifically about women and the need to bring everyone into the Party. The more the media tries to dictate who our nominee is, the more resistant my supporters become. The history of our party is those NOT LEADING IN THE POPULAR VOTE IN THE PAST WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION to make their point on the platform or the rules, to carry the message forward and I don't recall the press being bent out of shape about it. Two of the states which Obama won caucuses later had primaries, Wa and NE, where I didn't campaign.. the primaries were within 2-3 points, press paid no attention. He claims these states in his winning column but I have a strong support. Talking heads have been trying to get me out of this race since Iowa.

[Lucky 13]

1. Holy shit.

That's amazing.

[movonne]

22. I would like to hear a hillary supporter on here defend this shit...point

by point...this is not the dem party it is the dlc party...and if she got the nomination that's exactly what it would be...

[Justice Bork]

2. I don't pick my nose anymore ...

... because if I did, it would end up all over teh interwebs.

[K Gardner]

4. Welcome to DU..

[dchill]

92. Looks like Justice Bork checked out already.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=220428

Wow. 6 posts - Is that a record of some sort?

[slinkerwink]

3. I don't care about the Clinton drama anymore.

[KSinTX]

54. There you have it. Truth to power.

[AllentownJake]

5. I was on a Conference call with David Axelrod

However that was to thank Team Leaders the day of the PA primary for organizing in their areas.

[K Gardner]

9. Right.. I've been on CCs back when I was working for Edwards.. but never have even

heard of a candidate giving talking points and instructions to bloggers.

I'm jealous you got to talk to Axelrod.. pfft !

[AllentownJake]

It was supposed to be Obama

However his rally in Pittsburg went to long.

In all fairness there were about 100 people on the call.

I'll take Axelrod though. It was real nice of them to do that.

[Cha]

21. So now we know hilary's

little keyboard warriors get their points straight from the horse's mouth.

[tekisui]

6. When was this recorded?

Pathetic.

[tekisui]

7. Nevermind, it was recent.

Sad, and it explains a lot.

[mmonk]

8. I don't care what they are doing any more.

Every struggle there is someone who will be in your face trying to stop you. We knew it wouldn't be easy. Full steam ahead and believe in the rightness of your cause.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Shit, I'm almost afraid to listen to it........

cause it may make me want to actually hate her.....and I don't want to go there.

But I will be kicking and recommending this thread, and sending this to the progressive media (like to Randi Rhodes, et al).

[tekisui]

12. She says. "It's the MAP not the MATH".

She is going for it, pathetically.

[ErinBerin84]

15. seriously...

What genius came up with that slogan du jour? And were they paid with the money from that little boy selling his bike and video games? I feel like when the Clinton camapaign embraces a slogan, they really treat it as if it is the most brilliant thing that they have ever heard. What a tacky campaign.

[Divernan]

73. Jon Stewart figured the $$$ from the kids bike paid for part of the confetti

at the end of her speech referring to the kid's bike/video games. Wasn't it the most pathetic thing that she actually TOOK the kid's money?!?!?

[roguevalley]

28. she couldn't even take my state, not Alaska and she won't get my

other one, Oregon. She is so sad. She embarrasses me as a female.

[City Lights]

19. I only made it through about half.

She's bonkers, IMHO. :scared:

[hisownpetard]

95. I listened to about half and, I guarantee, FrenchieCat - it will do just what you fear!

[mcctatas]

11. I wonder if Hilllaryis44 folks are on the conference call...

of course, from some of the posts on that site I think it is more likely that they are on a conference call with Hannity, Rush and the Legion of Doom...

[TexasObserver]

13. she's burying herself more every day

at least we will never have to endure another Hillary national campaign

she'll never be able to raise this kind of money again

[madfloridian]

14. Did you create that precious picture of Obama as a kid?

I love it.

[K Gardner]

17. No.. somebody here put it on a Catz thread I think, and I stole it ! Shamelessly.

[Colobo]

16. She needs to give it up.

[FrenchieCat]

18. She's too busy plottin' and hatin'!

[alteredstate]

20. Why am I not surprised?

[K Gardner]

23. Updated with partial transcripts of some of Hillary's comments to bloggers.. above.

[Samantha]

24. or AS THE BUSH CAMPAIGN PHRASED IT IN 2000

Win at all costs.

For all of us who have been saying for years now she was moving too far to the right, and emulating Bush* maneuvers, this latest information is just confirmation we were correct in thinking this.

She's the last person who should occupy the Oval Office now (after Bush* leaves). Well ... and Cheney ... and Rice. Well, after the Bush* cabal leaves ... she's the last person ....

Sam

[kid a]

25. this is why many blogs have accepted barack as the mathematical winner and banned Hil propaganda

[K Gardner]

26. NO SH** !!

[Tatiana]

32. EXACTLY! n/t

[KaptBunnyPants]

102. Don't say that, sir.

We've got to coddle these posters, sir, even though they hate the average DUer unlike any but actual freepers. If they are not allowed to claim that the Democratic Party is committing massive fraud against Hillary in a flagrant attempt to protect the male dominated power structure, the key demographic of McCain supporting feminists might leave DU forever. That, sir, is not a risk this website can take. Sir.

[Name removed]

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[ErinBerin84]

29. the "WORKING PEOPLE!" thing

never fails to crack me up. It's so nice being a latte sipping heiress and not having to worry about that sort of thing.

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[JimGinPA]

31. She Is So Two-Faced...

I listened to that and it made me sick.

[jsmirman]

33. Please, for those of us who couldn't stand any more- transcribe the caucus part

if there's more to it.

You've made it this far! (great work, thanks)

"Full page ad in USA Today, which is very striking, talks specifically about women and the need to bring everyone into the Party. The more the media tries to dictate who our nominee is, the more resistant my supporters become."

And there she is, leading her supporters in this most loathesome threat.

She really is just an unimaginably horrible human being.

[K Gardner]

39. I'll try to do some more. I keep having to stop and retch.. then I need a drink. Its

hard work, LOL ! Will post when I've got more.. may wait and put all I can manage in a separate post, or I'll PM you.

[jsmirman]

45. You are very, very, very brave!

:rofl:


And much stronger than I am!

I really, truly tried, but when I started turning green I pulled the plug.

[Swamp Rat]

34. SHAME ON YOU!!

:D

[K Gardner]

35. Great, thanks. Now I havin' nightmares. :-)

[Swamp Rat]

38. They never stop for me.

:D

[psychmommy]

86. oh swampy you never cease to amaze me.

now this one is my favorite.

[berni_mccoy]

36. She JUST GETS WORSE BY THE MINUTE! She is Telling Democratic Bloggers to GO AGAINST THE PARTY!

That's it. No more sympathy for her or ANYONE who supports her.

[TheDonkey]

65. DU Admin must be plugged into that conference call. Following her lead.

[Diane R]

37. That becomes positively chilling about 1/4 the way in. She has a real martyr complex, doesn't she?

I don't claim to be a psychologist, but I have a degree in Psychology. I believe a trained professional could find a lot of pathological behavior in tis audio. She seems to be firmly entrenched in her own reality, and has a really strong narcissistic personality. I shudder to think how close we came to having her as a President.

I am so grateful to Barack Obama for waging his incredible campaign. He's really saved us from the disaster we would have had with a Hillary Clinton nominee.

As I continue to listen to this audio...she just sounds dangerous.

[K Gardner]

41. Truly ! She goes from being halfway rational one minute to positively delusional

the next. Trying to transcribe it is like being in the body of Linda Blair in the Exorcist.

[DesEtoiles]

44. she is really manipulating (using & abusing) these bloggers

your kid gave me $5! GREAT!


HILLARY - DAMMIT we don't take CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM FREAKIN' CHILDREN? WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM?????

[beachmom]

98. Um, Yes we do. Remember this in Kerry's concession speech?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/03/politics/main653518.shtml

To all the volunteers all across this country who gave so much of themselves. Thanks to William Fields, a six-year-old who collected $680, a quarter and a dollar at a time selling bracelets to help change America.

Thanks to Michael Benson from Florida who I spied in a rope line holding a container of money. It turned out he raided his piggy bank and wanted to contribute.

Thanks to Ilana Wexler, 11 years old, who started Kids For Kerry across this country.

I thank the brigades of students and people, young and old, who took time to travel, time off from work, their own vacation time to work in states far and wide. They braved the hot days of summer, and the cold days of fall and winter to knock on doors because they were determined to open the doors of opportunity to all Americans. They worked their hearts out.

[sniffa]

83. Yes she does, and many of her followers do too

[OhioBlue]

104. I thought the same thing.

Thank Goodness we had Obama and the campaign saved us from what we were told was inevitable. She's completely focused on herself. She would've made a poor Pres.

[merh]

40. obama has never called me

:(



Turn that frown upside down :) cause that's okay, I know he is too busy traveling and campaigning, reaching out to those who don't know him. He doesn't have to pander to me, I support him because he is the best dem candidate we've got and he is going to beat McSame's ass. :)

Please vote on the right side of this web page
http://www.carolemigdenleading.com/results.asp

[DesEtoiles]

42. Sick! Hillary encourages Alegre to drag her two young kids to the May 31 meeting for propaganda

SICKENING. SICKENING.

Drag your kids to this meeting as political props and exploit them for political purposes.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

43. I CC'ed with Samantha Power.

I slipped her a talking point. :dilemma:

[Diane R]

46. Has this been sent to KO or Ed Schultz? This needs to be heard by democratic voters.

[DesEtoiles]

47. K&R

[FrenchieCat]

48. I wish!

Worked District 7 here in Northern California, but that was about it.

[Arugula Latte]

49. *Points arms straight out from body; walks in waddling, stiff-legged zombie fashion*

Maaaster tells me what to type ... Maaaster gives me talking points ...

[havocmom]

50. marking for tomorrow

Had treatment today that makes me nauseous anyway, don't need more tonight.

Thanks for partial transcript. Hoping you do more, as I am at the point where hearing her voice makes the vomiting worse.

[EFerrari]

51. This is so wrong. n/t

[4themind]

52. SEND THIS TO THE SUPERDELEGATES!

let them decide for themselves...

[Melinda]

53. Her supporters on this CC genuinely love and support her.

Having passionately loved many candidates over my lifetime, I can certainly understand and appreciate how Hillary's supporters feel, and I truly admire the fire in their bellies for her campaign. They're really going to hurt when she's finally forced to withdraw.

She's not my candidate, but damnation, she certainly motivates her supporters to fight for what they believe in. And when Hillary ultimately loses her fight for the nomination, I hope that we can all remember to liberally hug and comfort her supporters and fellow democrats on DU.

And you Ms Gardner... you are an Obama thing of beauty your own self... you do good works. The CC was what I expected.. it was the emotions that caught me more than anything else. Thanks. :hug:

[K Gardner]

57. Melinda, I agree with you completely. I could tell the bloggers, at least the

ones on this call, were genuinely moved and totally in love with Senator Clinton. My problem with this is that I feel she is using them for disingenuous reasons. They probably don't feel they are being used, but I found her part in this shallow and manipulative.

Thank you so much for your kind words ! :hug: :hi:

[K Gardner]

55. This is as much of a transcript as I can get without a recorder and foot pedal, LOL...

"I am grateful to you for what you're blogging and the very strong arguments you are making on my behalf. I think it goes way beyond the personal feelings I have for what you're doing. I think there are important issues at stake. This is not an election we can lose. We've got to win. I know YOUR VOICES make a real difference. Your engagement in these incredibly significant ways helps us set the ground for what we're doing in our campaign, hopefully what we do helps you make the case you are arguing and we influence the rest of the blogosphere and beyond. I'm moving on in these next contests. I'm in Oregon, doing a town hall tonight. Obama declined.. he refuses to debate me anymore, he refuses to stand side by side with me or to talk about issues, answer tough questions; it's been a real disservice to the people of Oregon and the other states that he hasn't been willing to debate. I just want to make a couple of points.

First, we finally have acknowledgment I'm 50,000 ahead in the popular vote. We still trail in the delegates but I have every reason to believe we'll continue to do well in the popular vote. I'll end the elections on June 3 ahead in popular vote. Second, we are totally devoted to making sure Mi and FL count. I find it ironic and inexplicable the Democratic Party would not find a way to make this problem we face under our rules subordinate to the overriding desire to disenfranchise voters in our democracy. I think the delegation should be seated. Third, as of our big win in W VA, which is especially significant since Democrats don't win the WH without W VA, we have the electoral map. It will be very difficult for Obama to win on the electoral count.. it is the MAP not the MATH.

It is time people start asking themselves who is our strongest candidate against John McCain in the fall. If people will only look at that, it strengthens our argument. I believe that. I wouldn't be working as hard as I am if I didn't believe it. We've got to get people to start focusing on this because that's what the SDs are supposed to be doing, exercising independent judgment about who will be the best President and the strongest candidate and I think that is the appropriate criteria on which to base a decision and I have a very powerful case there. I really appreciate those of you who understand that at the end of the day, we've got to win, its all about winning. I believe as the nominee I will win. I believe my opponent COULD win. I want to thank you because I know its not been easy. I deeply regret the vitriol and the mean-spiritedness and the terrible rhetoric that has been thrown around at you for supporting me, at women in general, at those who support my campaign. I don't have time for their insults, I'm impervious to them. I figure its a perverse form of flattery that they would spend so much time trying to tear me down. "

"Talk Left Guy" Armando

Q: I've become an admirer. Asks about the fight for FL and MI. Imperative FL and MI be seated. Importance of working class voters of all stripes. Importance of not giving in to media, the enemy of the democratic party. Are you concerned there is not enough attention being paid by Obama and the Party to uniting? There is a Hillary Clinton wing that people are taking for granted.

A: Thank you for the brilliant prologue. Need to reach out to Reagan Democrats. We can't win without a significant percentage of WORKING PEOPLE, people making less than 75K per year. We also can't win FL if we're going to disenfranchise them. These are critical points we have to keep making over and over and over again. When we finally have a nominee, we will make the point to our supporters that we have more in common with each other than we do with McCain. I happen to think I will have an ability to try to rally the people who voted for me to win in November and I will do that to the best of my ability. Full page ad in USA Today, which is very striking, talks specifically about women and the need to bring everyone into the Party. It says "Not So Fast", Hillary's voice is our voice. The more the media tries to dictate who our nominee is, the more resistant my supporters become. They feel they have every right to participate. The history of our party is those NOT LEADING IN THE POPULAR VOTE IN THE PAST WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION to make their point on the platform or the rules, to carry the message forward and I don't recall the press being bent out of shape about it. So, this is a very sore spot for the millions of people who support me. Remember, Two of the states which Obama won caucuses later had primaries, Wa and NE, where I didn't campaign.. I didn't spend a penny, lost the caucuses 2:1, the primaries were within 2-3 points, press paid no attention. It is significant in these states which he claims these states in his winning column but I have a strong support. I just started running an ad in Oregon where I used the Talking heads that have been trying to get me out of this race since Iowa.

Q: Allegre, blogger. I speak for millions, we're behind you and hope you go to the convention and take this to the floor for a vote. The media has distorted the fact that you're ahead in the popular vote. I'm taking my children to the DNC meeting on the 31st.. all delegates should be counted. Stay strong, keep going, never give up.

A: I cannot tell you how many people say that to me. Over the past few mos, has built into a crescendo. Just did a Eugene, Ore, about home foreclosures, etc. At the end, woman living on fixed income, said in front of press, "Please don't give up, you are fighting for me, you are fighting for everyone I know about. Press has not covered that much. I thank you for zeroing in on May 31st meeting. There will be a lot of activity around that meeting. Important your voices are heard by DNC members. Elections were OFFICIAL elections, they were certified, they were legal. The issue is what we decide to do to get the delegates they deserve to have, before the convention, otherwise it will undermine the LEGITIMACY of our nominee, so I'm going to keep standing up to make sure these delegates are seated.

Q: Lance - supporter whose 12-year-old kid sent her $5.

A: Thank you so much. Talks about kid who sold bike and video games. Blah, blah.. nothing much else interesting.

[Kittycat]

58. Isn't that Talk left guy the one that post something about a Campaign to Not Vote for the Nominee

if it wasn't clinton?

ETA: Correction - that was Corbett or something like that from wilknewsradio.com. I fired off a letter to him after reading his article.

[Aloha Spirit]

66. Complete transcript up to second question....

@ 3:00

I just want to make a couple of points before turing over to your questions.
First, we finally have acknowledgement, uh, that we’re leading in the popular vote, I’m about 50,000 votes ahead. We still trail in the delegates, but I think that there’s every reason to believe that we will continue to do well in the popular vote, and I’m hoping that I’ll end the elections on June 3rd ahead in the popular vote. Secondly, we are totally devoted to making sure that Michigan and Florida count. I find it not just ironic but almost inexplicable that the Democratic party would not have figured out a way to make this problem that we face under our rules subordinate to the overriding desire to enfranchise give voters the open invitation to democracy and the democratic party that they’re turning out at 2.3 million strong *would demand*. I think the delegations should be seated, if that’s not the resolution, it should be done in a fair, transparent way on May 31st, so that they are part of this nominating process. Number three, as of our big win in West Virginia, which is especially significant given the history that Democrats don’t win the White House, at least since 1916 wihtout winnin West virginia we now have won states totaling 300 electoral votes. Barack has won states totallying 217 electoral votes. Now certainly some of my states like Texas and Oklahoma will be difficult to win in the Democratic column in the Fall. But look at the states that make up his 217 electoral votes. Alaska and Idaho, Utah, Kansas, Nebraska, it will be very difficult to win those states in the General Election. I have a cushion on the electoral votes majority, he has a significant deficit. It is the map, not the math. It is time people start asking themselves who is our stronger candidate against John McCain in the Fall, and if people will only loko at that, that strengthens our argument. I’m making that argument, I believe it, obviously I wouldn’t be working as hard as I am with the conviction and the passion I feel to taking back the White House if I did not believe it. And it’s especially important that we try to get people to start focussing on tis because that is what the superdelegates are supposed to be doing. They’re supposed to be exercising independent judgment about who would be the best president and who would be the stronger candidate, and I think that is the appropriate criteria on which to base the decision, and I believe that I have a very powerful case there. Now I have said repeatedly that I am going to do everything to unify this party to go into the Fall election in a position to win, and I mean it. I will work my heart out, and I really appreciate those of you who understand that at the end of the day we’ve got to win, but it *isn’t*/is for me all about winning. I believe that for me, as the nominee, I will win. I believe that my opponent could win, and that’s the obvious difference that drives me to do what I do every waking hour, so I wanted to thank you because I know it’s not been easy. I deeply regret the vitriol and the mean-spiritedness and terrible insults and rhetoric that has been thrown around … at you for supporting me, at women in general, at many of those who support my campaign because of who they are and their stand based on principle… but this too shall pass. I don’t have time for their insults, I’m impervious to them, I figure it’s a perverse form of flattery that they would spend so much time and energy trying to tear me down when what we need to be doing is figure out how we’re going to swear in a Democrat next January 20th. That’s my total conviction and commitment and that’s what I believe I am doing by pursuing this campaign with the vigor and passion that I have. So Peter, let me throw it open to the questions that might be forthcoming.
First question: Hernando Lorenz at talkleft…I have to be honest, I have not always been a supporter but I have become an admirer of you and your campaign and I wanted to say that first. I understand that you are in the campaign to win it because you believe you’re the best nominee, and that you will be the best president, that’s clearly your main impetus, but I wanted to mention and ask you if you feel the same way, but I think that you’re still serving some important … even if you are not the nominee in November, you’ve mentioned Florida and Michigan. I think that if nothing else that you’re continued fight for Florida and Michigan is reason enough to continue forward, and it is this kind of “imperative?” that Fla nd Mich be seated so that Democrats have a chance with them in the Fall. I also believe that you have reemphasized the need for Democrats to reach out to working class voters of all stripes and that we simply cannot take them for granted, so I believe that your campaign is also imperative in bringing that to the fore. I also believe it is important that we not give in, and one of the things that has troubled me is…that democrats give in to what the media … who has been hostile… has been so quick to befriend attacks on fellow Democrats it’s something that we should not stand for as Democrats. We should never let them dictate to us…. I wanted to ask you this question. Are you concerned that there’s not enough concern or attention being paid not only by the Democratic party but by Senator Obama about reuniting the party, there is now I believe a Clinton wing, a Hillary Clinton wing of the Democratic Party, and I believe too many people are taking it for granted. Does this concern you? Thank you very much.

Well thank you first of all for that really brilliant prologue. I agree with everything you’ve said about FL and MI and the need to reach out to what used to be called Reagan Democrats who need to be just plain Democrats again, and I think it’s imperative that the Demcoratic party do this because we can’t win without a significant percentage of working people, in fact if you look at the breakdown on my vote, it’s people making less than 75,000 a year which is a lot of people, and we also can’t win Florida if we’re going to disenfranchise them, so these are critical points that we have to keep making over and over and over again and I’m very hopeful that when we finally have a nominee, we will both be making the argument to our respective supporters that I have made—I have made it consistently—that if you have voted for either Barack or me, you have more in common than you may think right now , and you certainly have more in common with each other than you do with McCain and the Republicans..? I do think that I will have the ability to try to rally the people who voted for me, to win in November on behalf of our nominee, and I will do that to the best of my ability, but I don’t know if you caught the full page ad in USA Today today, which is very striking, and it talks specifically about women, but it also talks about the need to make sure that we bring everybody into the party, and it says “Not so fast,” “Hillary’s voice is our voice and she’s speaking for all of us” and what I am finding is that the more the media tries to dictate who the nominee is the more resistant those who support me become. And you know they feel like they have every right to participate. The history of our party is the people who are not leading in the popular vote in the past went all the way to the convention to make a point on a platform to make apoint on the rules… to carrry their message forward, and I don’t recall the press being all bent out of shape about it, so this is a very sore spot for the millions and millions of people who support me , and remember too that tow other states that Senator Obama won the caucuses in, Washington and Nebraska, they later had primaries where I did not campaign, I didn’t spend a penny, and in both instances, even though I lost their caucuses two to one, the primaries were within two or three points. It just happened in Nebraska this week, and the press obviously pay no attention to it, but it’s very significant, that even in these states which he claims in his winning column that weren’t primary states, I have a tremendous amount of support. So, we need to stand against the media and the talking heads in any circumstance, I just started running an ad in Oregon that some of you may have seen, you know where I basically use some of the talking heads who have been trying to get me out of this race since Iowa, and basically say you know they’re not gonna dictate to us. We’re voters, we get to decide, and we’re going to decide on what’s best for our families, and that’s how I feel about it.

[K Gardner]

69. Thanks for this ! I gave credit and imported this into my Transcript Post.

[IndyOp]

85. What the heck is she talking about? WA and NE later had primaries...?

Two of the states which Obama won caucuses later had primaries, Wa and NE, where I didn't campaign.. I didn't spend a penny, lost the caucuses 2:1, the primaries were within 2-3 points, press paid no attention.

What? When?

:shrug:

[anigbrowl]

56. This is so weird...like some alternative dimension of co-dependence

I can't even get mad about it...it's just some sort of hopeless pity party or something. I wanted to take up shooting heroin or something.

[anigbrowl]

59. "I don't have a question...I've been ordered to tell you something.

My 12 year old son ____ is a big supporter of yours he's rooting hard for you, and I want you to know he's not parodying me - his mother supports Barack Obama and he knows she's smarter than me."

!?

[Diane R]

61. Persecution complex?

[K Gardner]

67. I know !! I choked on that one, LOL !

[weeve]

60. Did she just say ...

... KIDS !! Sell your bicycles and video games and donate it to her campaign ?!?

OMFG



Get off that trike Obama ! SELL IT !!!

Give it to Hillary . She's thirsty !!



"Have you no respect, Senator ?!?"

[liberalcommontater]

88. No, she said no such thing...oh brother.

[weeve]

62. I like how the audio ends ...

"I think we have lost the Senator."

Wow ... talk about an understatement !!



I'm thirsty ... I want someone to buy ME some PanderShots !!

[Kittycat]

63. I wonder if her meeting tomorrow with the supers will go more like a...

Surprise intervention?

SuperD: Listen Hill, we've been talking (looks around the room at all the other supers). It's over. Finish out the races, stay out of the gutter - call off the dogs, and start healing the divide.

[TheDonkey]

64. "working people" WTF is wrong with Hillary. Total utter bullshit

[DesEtoiles]

68. .

[DesEtoiles]

70. .

[Rose Siding]

71. In WA we KNEW all the dels had been decided in the caucus, that's why

the primary totals were different. It was irrelevant because we knew the "rules", a concept with which Hil seems to be struggling.

[K Gardner]

75. And she can't figure out why the media "paid no attention" to the primary results of a caucus state.

[4themind]

78. If she wants to play, that game, then the TX caucuses count too

in the popular vote, especially since unlike those Non-binding primaries, it's actually used for delegate allocation. This also seems to be the same rationale for including the delegate allocation system in MI and FL as some how "legitamizing" the popular vote there as well. So she's going to have to go through increasingly tortuous and common-sense-defying (IMO) leaps in logic to accept one contest and not the other

[liberalla]

72. O my gawd... "I'm impervious to their insults."

That's a clue. Impervious.

I'm impervious to their insults.

I'm impervious to sound, rational thought.

I'm impervious to the truth.

I'm impervious to logic.

I'm impervious to fairness.

I'm impervious to fact.

I'm impervious to reality.

Why? because as she says,

"it is ALL about WINNING"


This is disgusting! I knew this would get ugly, and I didn't want to get caught up in it. I wanted to stay clear of it until we had a nominee. (I'd already lost my candidate earlier and didn't want to be heartbroken again.) But, every once in a while I hear or read something that shocks me. This is that.

I'm disgusted, disappointed and getting pissed off.


K Gardner - Thank you for posting portions of the call.

[Diane R]

91. Didn't she recently say, "It's not over 'til the lady in the pantsuit says it's over"? How arrogant.

[DesEtoiles]

74. .

[flpoljunkie]

76. No, Hillary the talking heads did you a huge favor in NH, by not playing the entire tape--you know,

the one where you turn on a dime to criticize Obama, immediately after your "emotional moment" which the press ate up and played over and over and over. It's is cunning and vicious.

No way, the media, who were intent on doing their job and bringing us the truth, would omit this.
Here's the video, in case you missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIG1mJAdMv8

[dansolo]

77. At what point does an advocate become just a pawn?

Hillary supporters need to realize that it is not about them, it is all about HER. She couldn't care less about her supporters, unless they have something to offer her.

[nichomachus]

79. And the Hillary shriekers

who post the same crap over and over and over and over -- wonder why no one takes them seriously.

I came into this a few months ago backing neither of the candidates, but leaning toward Hillary. The smear tactics of the so-called Hillary supporters made me take another look at Obama -- and I liked what I saw.

They shot themselves in the foot and stopped to reload.

Just one of many mistakes made by the abysmal Clinton campaign.

[phrigndumass]

80. ::: thud :::

Great heads-up, K!

K/R

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[earth mom]

81. Sorry but I think Hillary made some good points & I don't support her OR Obama.

Frankly, I'm sure Obama's calls are full of talking points-more so than Clintons because look at how the Obama kool aid drinkers have taken over DU!

So Hillary's ahead in the popular vote AND Obama's won the states that are red states which will ultimately go to McCain

News Flash: you can't run from the truth of that people no matter how you try.

The bottom line is that if Hillary is not the nominee, McCain will win. Simple as that.

[liberalcommontater]

87. I hope you are wrong...

I posted maps without even hearing the call. The message is getting out. I too did not hear anything hateful. She wants to win. She thinks she can win in Nov. So..........what is wrong with that?

I hope if Obama is the nominee that he wins. If he does, we all win. I think Hillary is the stronger candidate and will win, sorry if that makes me a hater. (the most overused and misused non-word to ever come around the bend - you disagree with me, you hater!!! What a load.)



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6007877&mesg_id=6007877

[haymakeragain]

112. The Clinton's are over. Can't wait for them to retire to........

wherever it is they are from. Deal with this golden, Obama is going to be the nominee and he is going to win it in November, even with your McSame vote.

Later date.

[Renew Deal]

82. And anyone says that people should lay off Hillary is a fool.

[lilyannerose]

84. Does That Woman

Have any idea of how many Dem voters she has alienated? If she steals this nomination I'm writing in Obama on my ballot.

[Sunnyshine]

89. What a sham! Dem's want equality and unity for all people.

The Clinton's reaction to most of the country not wanting them serving another term in the White House is telling. It reveals just how bent they are on having to let go of their death grip on power within the party and on her faded nomination.

She should have been using this time more wisely, being graceful and trying to bring the party on the same page defeating the Freeps in Nov. Instead, she goes proclaiming her self-importance. Encouraging folks to run around (rumor mill much?)and give false accounts, hold press conferences, all JUST to fan the flames and divide her own party. I'm sorry, but that is selfish.

She would look much better if she went with Obama's momentum and joined our party to support this historic event. Dem's should be the shining example of unity.

This batch of Dem's are the same ones that have done absolutely nothing for investigating or holding to account the Chief Chimp and Chain-em-Up, even with all the Bushed scandals burning bright for all the world to see.

At least Barack said he would allow investigation to lead where they may.
Not a word of this necessary support from Hillary. *crickets

They wouldn't win; Nothing would motivate the other side more, than another Clinton Administration. Then again, the powers that be, may hand it to The C's on purpose. :tinfoilhat:

[KSinTX]

90. Team leader call right before Texas primacaucus

It was billed to be with Axelrod and that's who hosted the show. But if memory serves, there was a brief message from one of the Kennedy clan I believe.

[dchill]

93. If Democrats were Republicans, she'd be winning...

because Freepers love this kind of shit. Bullshit talking points to trash the opposition and conceal the facts. This is so UNSEEMLY for Democrats.

[hisownpetard]

94. Couldn't listen all the way through. My eyeballs started acting independently of each other

from the pressure exerted by my brain, which was about to explode...

:nuke:

[K Gardner]

99. LOL ! The audio should carry a HAZARD warning.

[corkhead]

96. RE the conference call: "Questions"? What questions? this was a circle jerk jizz fest.

The good news is that it was a harmless echo chamber.

The logic doesn't make sense to me. "we lead in popular vote" dismisses and ignores the caucuses where entire states chose their delegates. She will fight to the death that FL and MI get seated, but feels that all the caucus results are meaningless.

This ides also runs contrary to her statement that the superdelegates should step in and override the delegate count (results of the electoral process by the people) solely on her belief that she is more electable, as if that were an absolute fact that was indisputable.

She sounded like she was ready to fight this to the convention. good god.

[McCamy Taylor]

97. Confused. Are Obama supporters jealous? The OP quotes Hillary's best lines.

"The history of our party is those NOT LEADING IN THE POPULAR VOTE IN THE PAST WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION to make their point on the platform or the rules, to carry the message forward and I don't recall the press being bent out of shape about it."

She is correct. Minority status Democratic (and Republicans like Ron Paul) often continue a campaign all the way to the convention so that their supporters (who are often members of an underepresented group like women--compare their population percentage with their numbers in office) can get a voice at the convention). Is this supposed to be sinister?

Most of her criticism is reserved for the press and the DNC. She only criticizes Obama for not debating her. When the final guy asks for oppo on Obama, she hangs up.

So, I can only assume we have 40 recommendations from Obama supporters who are jealous because their man can not be bothered to get on the phone and talk to them personally.

[Catherina]

100. She's going to need a good psychiatrist. This is TOO SAD! n/t

:wow:

[grantcart]

101. Ok I can't bear it anymore - I have put up a front as an Obamabot as part of a plan - I am Armando

[mcctatas]

103. Dammit Armando...

you were supposed to keep quiet until AFTER Puerto Rico! Now you've let the cat out of the bag before we hit our latest flame-retardent firewall. And with all the $ we're paying you (honest, the check is in the mail) ;)

[K Gardner]

105. I knew this decoy scheme wasn't going to work, especially since Penn suggested it, damn.

[Gman]

106. Obama will lose 40 states in November if you keep this crap up

go ahead. Keep pissing off Hillary supporters here. I've already committed to work for a couple of down ballot candidates that need help in NOvember. I will NOT be working in any way, shape or form for Obama. I really don't care to associate with Obama or his supporters. I've got a lot more class than that. This post proves (again) the lack of class of Obama supporters. Donate to Obama? Ha! Not in this lifetime.

[Barking Spider]

107. nonsense

There are about 2-3 dozen Hillary Party members on DU that will not vote for Obama on principle. The vast majority of Hillary supporters on this board are true Democrats who will vote for the Democratic nominee, period. Obama will not lose 40 states in Nov. You've deluded yourself into believing that because your candidate lost and you need a pat on the head. Grow up. My favorite candidate lost the primary in 2000 and 2004 and I didn't try to hold the Party hostage. Go hold your breath and pout on your own forum if working for the Democratic nominee is too hard for you.

[Gman]

111. You just don't have a clue, do you?

[K Gardner]

108. The last few posts of whining threat fits by HRC supporters haven't gone over well. We're

pretty much not going to be intimidated by your childish rant. You know you won't be posting here after he's the nominee, don't you?

[Gman]

110. No, I'll be here as long as I want to

childish rant? That belongs to just about any Obama surrogate post, to use your term.

[haymakeragain]

113. So remind me, is it brie or gorgonzola that you like with your whine?

There's not a single thing that any Obama supporter has done that is any worse than what the Hillary supporters have done. What it comes down to is the fact that he is winning and looks like a lock, while she can't seem to get over the hump.

I started out an Edwards supporter and can't count how many times I've been called a cultist or worshiper or kool-aid drinker or worse. I've been insulted dozens of times. However, if she manages to get the nomination I will vote for her. The reason is obvious, but apparently you don't see it.

Show some spine.

[Avalux]

109. Good God. Lying her ass off to her blind supporters - and they believe her.

That woman's nose should be long enough to stretch around the world and back again. She is intentionally misleading those who have supported her in good faith; urging them to continue believing what is not possible.

Then she throws out sympathy to these poor fools who believe her lies; she feels for them since they've had to endure insults throughout the campaign; dragging them into her victimhood.

What a steaming pile of horse shit. Every Democrat should be really pissed off about the divisiness Hillary is continuing to promote in private while there are reports this morning of the Clinton and Obama campaigns combining fundraising efforts.