Hillary May be More Electable than Barack Obama...

[MadBadger]

But Obama will be the far superior President. Hillary may be a little more electable, I dont know. But I think they both could and will win if they are the nominee. However, it is clear that Barack Obama would be a far superior President than Hillary Clinton. So if that means going with a candidate that may be slightly less electable, but still very likely to get elected if nominated for the sake of getting the best quality President in the White house, that is fine with me.

[ruggerson]

1. I think she's both

more electable and would make a better President.

But he's got the nomination, so we work our butts off to get him elected.

[Johnny Battleground]

16. She is both... by a mile

I'm tired of the party grasping defeat from the jaws of victory, and what we have now is the Anatomy of Selecting a Candidate Who Cannot Win.
He was vetted way too late.
Could care less what the polls say.
They are notoriously wrong, and we get all excited... only to be defeated when the ballots are cast.
That's the history.

Obama has positioned himself not as a uniter, but a whiner.
Obama is running for the highest office in the world, and he whines about everything.
This will not play well with the swing voters we need.

Obama is and will be positioned as an inexperienced rookie who will appease our enemies.
There is so much crap on him you'd need 5,000 porta potties to dispose of the mess.
Wright.
Clinging to guns and religion.
Ayers.
Michelle.

4 reasons he'll get smoked in the GE... and the tip of the iceberg.

This election could have been so easy, but it looks like we've got a tragically flawed representative.
But it ain't over yet.
So long as Hillary stays in... the game is on.
Ain't over 'til its over.

Obama needs to show he can take a punch.
Unfortunately his response is "people shouldn't say that".
F'in weak.

Super Delegates Vote Hillary.

[Window]

39. ..

[sniffa]

45. Wow, you're a whiner

[bigbrother05]

53. Welcome, hope you enjoy your stay

[otohara]

54. $20 Million in Debt

SD's aren't voting Hillary.

You're the one full of crap dude - fantasy land or freeper? Which is it?

[anigbrowl]

28. Good attitude. Two Democrats will always result in three opinions

but that's a lot better than the Republicans, who were only following orders.

[whistler162]

29. She can't manage a primary campaign...

why would anyone want her managing a country?

[Johnny Battleground]

44. She asumed, and that killed her...

She ran a prevent defense type campaign at the outset... and having a virtual lock she let a rookie in the game...
An inexperienced, flawed yet eloquent rookie in...
But after we discovered how tragically flawed Obama really is... The Prince of Weakness... he amassed a lead.
And Obama has gone from Uniter to Whiner.
From Hope to Hopeless.
From Change to Chump.

He sat 20-years and can't recall Wright was a racist?
Couldn't condemn or leave him.
Then he did both.
He pissed all over the heartland with his cling-on comments.
His wife revealed she's tight with Wright.
Then there is Ayers.
Rezko.

This candidate is a heap of "it". And "it" is all of his own doing.
Y'know... I'm tired of losing, and this one should be easy.
With Obama it's an easy loss. He's just like Dukakis, Mondale, Kerry. Actually worse.
Losers.

Thankfully it's not over.

Super Delegates Vote Hillary

[dchill]

52. Two more days.

You're creepy.

[highplainsdem]

62. I agree.

But I think he needs her on the ticket, and if she isn't -- if he chooses someone else -- then he's really hurt himself and the party.

[Kittycat]

2. No thank you. I've seen how she's run her campaign.

I don't want another bankrupt, rovian president.

[MadBadger]

3. No thank you what?

[Kittycat]

12. Responding to Ruggerson

" I think she's both

more electable and would make a better President."

No thank you to her being either more electable or a better president. (I disagree ;))

[anonymous171]

4. She seems more electable, but she's not. She's a democratic Nixon.

A liar vs "honorable war hero" John McCain.

[MadBadger]

6. You need to fix that

A liar vs a lying war hero.

[anonymous171]

8. You are right. But the media won't do that. He's their darling.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. Nah

she's a strong, smart, capable and popular democrat. It's time to let the hate go.

[cliffordu]

9. It's time for HER to let go.

[ruggerson]

11. They have a tough time with that one

many hate her more than they hate McCain.

[thunder rising]

36. But she is not the winner of the primary. It's over

[liberaldem4ever]

47. I agree with you she is a very hard worker

I think she could make a great Senate Majority Leader. She is the kind of person who could really fight for Dem legislation and would be such an improvement over Harry Reid. Or she can do anything else she wants to like Gov. of New York someday. I'm sure she has a great future in the Democratic party. Any hate that I had about anybody in this race is long gone. All I am concerned about now is getting a Dem in the White House to fix the tragedy of the Bush years.

[EmilyAnne]

68. I agree, MonkeyFunk. Some people want to keep this drama going.

[4themind]

5. The better you run your campaign, the better your chances of being elected

Which is at least in part what the primary process helps to do, it's like training camp for evaluating not only positions on issues/appeals to demographics, but organizational skills that are CRUCIAL for winning the G.E. and one candidate has done so more than the other in contested/sanctioned states, demonstratively so IMO

[amandabeech]

55. Then Obama should have David Axelrod and all his campaign gurus sitting

in the oval office with him.

Are his prospective White House advisers as sure-footed?

Health care, the economy, the Social Security that I'm going to need and cannot replace with savings in time.

The Goolsbees of the world aren't going to do what will help me, and others similarly situated.

[dailykoff]

10. But she isn't. She's been behind in pledged delegates since Iowa.

That means she's a loser. Get it? She' LOST. She's had sixteen years to make her case and she's FAILED. She is NOT more electable. Please, back away from the teevee slowly.
:crazy:

[MadBadger]

13. First of all, I said she MAY be more electable`

I'm saying, if she is a little bit more electable, I'm telling you I dont give a shit. That said, because she has less pledged delegates, doesnt have anything to with GE electablility. Remember, your performance in the primary doesnt equal your performance in the GE

[dailykoff]

22. Look, in a two-person race, the loser didn't "maybe" win. SHE LOST.

She's been behind since Iowa. She should have dropped out when Edwards did. The teevee is lying to you. Okay? A "little" behind means SHE LOST THE FUCKING RACE!!!!!! She needs to go and pretending that almost winning might make her more electable is just plain delusional, sorry.

:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

14. The Democratic Party should be able to get Bernie Lomax elected this year.

Face it. The 'standard' really ain't that high.

:eyes:

The 50-35 generic advantage is the best 'gift' they could get.

[ccharles000]

15. They are both great.

[BenDavid]

17. With the election only 5 months plus several days maybe someone

can explain to me why obama cannot win this late in the campaign?Pa. Ind. W.V.Ohio, next Kentucky. If he is having this much trouble putting away the "lil' old lady from New York" then there must be one hell of a buyers remorse taking place out in the hinderlands. If obama cannot get a majority of the blue collar working class folks then he is a cooked goose,dead duck or however you want to phrase it.

[MadBadger]

18. I dont really care that he lost by 15,000 votes in Indiana

that is as good as a tie. Obama's November doesnt go through KY and WV, so I dont give a fuck. And OH and PA, well, people liked her better there...so fucking what.

[anonymous171]

19. In PA they are both polling ahead of McCain.

[4themind]

20. I agree

plus when you throw in the potential effects of opposition chaos that makes it even more dubious, I'd probably change the title from "may" to "even IF" that may help allay some misconceptions, but I may just be nitpicking

[roseBudd]

67. Hmm, skipped NC even though it was the same day as IN, biased much?

Oh that's right, black people don't work

[Skip Intro]

21. In what ways is it clear that Obama would be a far superior President?

[anonymous171]

23. Less Drama

[Skip Intro]

25. really, how?

[lumpy]

32. Less drama ???

Okaaaaaaay whatever

[lumpy]

31. That is something I would like to know also. I guess some people

here believe he would be better because he has a certain charisma, speaks well, and tells us what we already know that Bush has screwed up the country and we need help in many areas. I know little about his experience as a US congressman, ability to lead, diplomatic experience, foreign affairs, contacts with foreign leaders, US military history and all that stuff that is important in the presidency role. I am sure Obama is far superior to what we have had to contend with but experience and know how is an important ingredient.

[slinkerwink]

46. Obama has had eleven years of experience in the state legislature, and to tell how he would govern..

you have to look at his campaign as an example of how he would govern. He's planned far ahead, had better strategies to win, won the support of many people, and raised far more money. Also, you haven't heard any sniping from his campaign aides at each other, like you have in the Clinton campaign. An Obama administration wouldn't allow officials to snipe at each other, like they did in the Clinton White House where you got a lot of "leaks" to the press.

[quaker bill]

24. Hillary is less "electable"

"electability" arguments are always inane. I should vote for someone who I guess that others will like rather than on my own feelings. What if I have no real clue about how others will vote?

Kerry won the "big states a Democrat must win" during the primaries. Kerry was "more electable".

Candidates that have lost the white "blue collar" vote include Gore, Kerry, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. No Democratic candidate for President has won that demographic since LBJ. Everyone of our candidates, winning and losing, have been supported by college educated white folks, and about 90 percent of the Black vote. This is the only coalition that has won for us since the 1960s. Barack is not plowing new turf here.

Want to go to a more interesting analysis? Look within the states and compare the Barack Obama favoring counties to the blue counties in the general from 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004. The maps are stunningly similar. Barack Obama runs well in the places within the states where Democrats need to stack up large margins to prevail statewide. Kerry's county map in the general for Ohio is virtually the same as Barack Obama's was in the primary.

Who are the most dependable straight ticket Democratic voters that can be counted on to support our candidate at 90+ percent margins in November? Who is getting them registered to vote in unprecedented numbers?

In the final analysis, by definition, "electable" candidates win elections. We have just had a bunch of them. The results are in.

[4themind]

26. please consider making this an O.P. all of its own

Evidence based, deductive reasoning is so rare now a days in political discourse on the internet it seems...

[FrenchieCat]

27. I disagree.......

The fact that Hillary had name recognition is the only reason that she did so well, period..... and why she is a "hit" with low information voters. That is the only edge that she has had over Obama.

I think that this asking ourselves can OBama win is a much more complex issue than simply concluding as you have, in terms of electability. In fact, perhaps too complex to only boil it down to the real truth of the matter as to why some will say that Hillary is more electable; the melanin in Obama's skin.

What I will tell you, and what I am betting on is that at the end of the day, people vote for the person they won't mind spending 4 years with in their living room. I will place a wager that the person that folks will choose will be Barack Obama. At some point, people do see beyond color, in particular in respect to someone they get to know, and then they get to see the character. That's precisely what MLK was speaking of in is "I have a dream Speech". Many without tall walls of prejudice only saw Obama's character, or saw it in short order. The rest, the hardened, will have six month to get to see his character whether they want to or not. I believe that he will be successful getting this done. He is an extraordinary man, and he will get his dues for it. That's the only reason he is still standing today, because the odds have not favored him since his father met his mother.

Take that to heart and understand that he represents the country that we should be. If he, for whatever reason cannot transcend the prejudice that exists in this country, then we are not who we say we are, and we will have to deal with that.

But be reassured that I have more faith than that. Perhaps because I myself am of mixed race, and emmigrated (him from Hawaii to Chicago, me from France to California) and I truly understand what the gifts of intelligence and charisma and foresight can do in reference to those around you.

Obama is the perfect storm. Take that to the bank.

[dana_b]

59. well said

It is the content of his character that so many can relate to and appreciate. He's not acting or simply saying things to appease people (there's that word again). He means what he says and, contrary to what people say, he does have plans and details. It's all on his site if people don't hear it in his speeches.

[NewHampshireDem]

30. If she was more electable, she'd be the nominee ... end of story

She blew it. If she somehow (Harry Potter, the Delorean from Back to the Future, Tardis) wins the nominee, she could very well blow the 'lead' (*snicker* *snort* *snicker*) she has against McCain.

[rodeodance]

35. The nominating precess at the convention will be interesting indeed.

[amandabeech]

56. She didn't get organized in the caucus states.

That was a huge problem for her.

The idiots in Florida and Michigan didn't help her, either.

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[Political Heretic]

34. She's neither more electable or a better presidential candidate.

She's just Hillary.

[Pushed To The Left]

37. If Clinton was the frontrunner, she would be getting smeared by the right wing and the media right

now. Obama is taking a beating because he is the frontrunner. When he wasn't, the right wing talk show hosts were treating him pretty gently and brutalizing Clinton. Now that has reversed. No matter who the Democratic nominee is, he or she will be swiftboated/smeared by the right wing machine.

[symbolman]

38. Clinton is McCain's ONLY chance at winning..

she is so Reviled as a name brand on the Right (unfortunately on the left now too) that all those Right wingers that won't bother going out to vote for McCain will be galvanized into action.. They won't be voting FOR McCain, but Against what they consider a head "Feminazi" (their word, not mine), Socialist, wife of the other object of their insane Rage, Bill, etc, etc..

That is why the Right wingers in the Media have Bern grooming her for the position, and of course in her BizarroLand mind she's reaching across the aisle, or they NOW Respect her.. News Flash.. THEY don't respect ANYONE.. They are Scum..

This is the true crime here, that She is Suckering her followers while SHE is being Suckered by the Right Wing.. And people want HER for Prez or Veep? Fat Chance, she can't even keep the War Chest filled while McCain's bringing in the Lowest Funds in Years!!

It's HER they want, otherwise no one will vote for McSame..

They have NO idea What to do with Obama.. They are too corrupt to answer Truthful statements :)

McCain will LOSE if we tell Clinton to take a hike, a long walk off a short pier.. Besides he's already got LIEberman..

[Orsino]

40. Either is as electable, since both will be working together within a few months.

The racism and sexism which largely define "electability" won't be so important then.

[crankychatter]

41. If we accept the Clinton Camp's assertion that there's more sexism than racism

then by their own logic, Obama is more electable

[dansolo]

61. Just another one of their double standards

Apparently her poor performance in the primaries is due to sexism, but that same sexism would have no effect in the general election.

[shadowknows69]

42. I just don't see it that way

Obama can inspire and get voters to the polls for us. Hillary will get millions of republicans energized.

[kevinmc]

43. If she was more electable she would be winning .....

and all the phony math and illusions of a giant ground swell that her supporters try to portray will not change anything.

[dchill]

48. Stop making sense!

It's been confirmed! (By whom, she doesn't say.)

[Johnny__Motown]

49. She has the highest negatives of any candidate to ever run for president for any party

[mdmc]

50. who would diebold chose?

Seems pretty clear to me that Hillary is more electable...

[w4rma]

51. Hillary is definitely not more electable. I can talk folks into supporting Obama who currently don't

I wouldn't be able to talk anyone, who isn't already voting Democratic, into supporting Hillary.

[suston96]

57. Electable?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[thewiseguy]

58. What is the purpose of threads like this?

[Cha]

60. I don't where you get that from considering hilary's negatives.

Obama's REAL and hilary's a bunch of canned lies. Guess what America's getting smarter..ya think :think:

Whatever, Obama's a better candidate and he will be elected. End of Story.

[AtomicKitten]

63. If she can't beat Obama, she can't win ergo she's not electable.

[catgirl]

64. I don't believe Hillary's more electable

The RW machine hadn't even started to swiftboat her. The poll #s
would have changed dramatically once they've started.

[BlooInBloo]

65. She's not. She's completely unelectable.

[roseBudd]

66. Hillary made herself unelectable with her lies we call Snipergate, honesty & integrity are important