Conservative Republicans Committing Mass Political Suicide - Live!

[anigbrowl]

http://blog.nrcc.org/comment.cfm?entry_id=400

This is the National Republican Congressional Committee blog. Eeeew! Hold your nose and click. Then scroll down and look at the comments. Seriously, this is worth 10 minutes of your time at the least (don't forget to kick and rec this post!).

This isn't just some random blog, this is the official GOP party website. I have been reading it for an hour with a mixture of horror and delight. These folk are so angry at their party's failures (and mostly, so terminally stupid) that they are willing to destroy it to send a message. It seems like at least a third of them will vote libertarian, and most of the rest won't vote.

They hate McCain even more than they hate us. I don't mean they're unhappy with him, I mean they HATE him. He is a traitor to them - it's as if we had somehow ended up nominating Lieberman. As far as conservatives are concerned, their party has completely betrayed them. The GOP base is collapsing underneath them, and the right-wing media pundits (eg Michelle Malkin) are encouraging their supporters to destroy it. The business sector has abandoned them as the radioactive failures they are. All they have left is the religious crowd, and they're not exactly happy over the failure to select Huckabee.

This may be the end of the GOP. I have never seen anything like it in ~20 years of grassroots politics. THEY WANT TO LOSE THE ELECTION so they can have a fight over who controls the party. Every DUer needs to read this.

[ima_sinnic]

1. good catch -- these people are insane, though

it appears that Obama will win, handily.

[Zachstar]

5. Depends on what Paul will eventually do.

He still calls himself a republican. Tho I suspect before long he is going to go Indie or Democrat.

And YES we do have Conservative Democrats. Get over it..

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

20. Ron Paul has about as much in common with Democrats as Adolf Hitler.

[Zachstar]

25. Stop with the Ron Paul crap ok? Hes doing more to help democrats that you give him credit for.

Knee Jerk bullshit is not going to help you or Obama.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

34. "Knee jerk bullshit"?

Ron Paul's policies would destroy this country. If you think otherwise you need to read a little more.

[dchill]

35. "Stop with the Ron Paul crap ok?"

You first.
:shrug:

[ekwhite]

70. Ron Paul is not someone I want to see as President

He has some good points - an emphasis on rolling back the imperial presidency and ending our foreign adventurism - but his dogmatic libertarianism makes him unsuitable, unfortunately. He will not only continue the Bush economic policies, he will accelerate them.

[pretzel4gore]

10. it's hardly a prize...

i've been flamed for noting that the 'sheeple' aren't an integrated unit, capable of responding or acting as one, with an individual's wisdom, but look again at this. ONLY 6 years after nixon was boooted out of the white house, regan was INSTALLED, like a goddam fire hydrant, in the main elective office on earth! Is that insane? THey tore out walls and floors and foundations to string makeshift piping, for a fire hydrant big biz could PISS ON! And the electorate scratched their ass. Bush was TOLD- literally told, 'go ahead, rape, murder our kids, steal our money, spit in my old grandad's face. Shit in our soup, and we'll REWARD YOU, bigtime'
Sheeses kerist
the problem is, personally, is that i feel crazy, in an unhealthy way, and would like to stand out, at least in my own mind, but again!....ferchrissake!

[ShaneGR]

2. Did you really think the Republicans would really support a real war hero?

I mean, you can say what you want about McSame, but he has a real military record. He put in HARD time in Vietnam. That automatically excludes him from full Republican support. In order to be a "true conservative" he needed to get at least 5 draft deferments and spend his time drinking at the local country club. Only then would he have a chance as the Republican nominee. /shrug

[boppers]

3. The party of complaining.

We have a circular firing squad.

They have a circle that folks lob grenades into, and then complain about taxes levied to pay for the grenade.

:evilgrin:

[Zachstar]

4. They are fucking IDIOTS for not nominating Paul.

No offense to Clinton and Obama but Paul would have wiped the floor with us. He manages to get support all over the place but his anti .gov power view scared the GOP and they nominated an angry idiot instead.

Now Paul is uniting the left of the republican party against McCain And McCain haters from the far right and overall McCain has very little support.

[eridani]

6. Libertarian sometimes overlaps with left, but is not the same

I was delighted that the Paul supporters so thoroughly disrupted the WA state Repub convention.

[AllentownJake]

8. Nah we'd still win

Paul is anti-war and the arm chair generals won't have that in the party. You know the 27% that still get a boner when they watch W land on the aircraft. That 27% is 75% of the GOP.

[cali]

9. oh, please. We would have won a 50 state victory over Paul

He's hated more than McCain. He's a novelty who could well be dangerous for McCain. There is NO left in the repub party, and the Greenwich and Park Avenue moderates wouldn't touch Paul with a 100 ft pole. Paul go less than 10 percent in the primaries and you think he'd beat either Clinton or Obama? Ridiculous.

[pretzel4gore]

12. don't listen to GCN, but

Ron Paul is truer a rightwing republican then the rest of that mob of nitwits (we are, indeed, in a misanthrope's heaven, here in gorgebushamerka, eh)..on GCN, which is otherwise a pretty good set up (though http://www.novamradio.com/live/ radio is much better, re dial up :)) but to listen to his supporters, esp. those 2 sidewinders at 'freetalk live' refreshes evertime one listens, to how mindless they are. No government? how do they expect 250 million people to live together? it's goofy, but they just think thing'll work out if everybody carried weapons and bizmen did their thing, i guess)

[jazzjunkysue]

16. Paul is an exceptionally rare conservative. The rest hide behind the name.

He would dessimate alot of our society with his 18th century policies. But he was right and vocal about the war and he really does want to hold the line on spending. But if we elected him the whole country would look like Kentucky, and not the good parts.

[LeftishBrit]

48. 'Left of the Republican party'?

First of all, is there really a Left of the Republican Party any more?; and secondly why would moderates want to follow a far-right-winger like Paul?

In the horrible and unlikely situation of Ron Paul being nominated, I would hope that everyone would rally round the Dem to prevent his election, the same way as the French of all parties once rallied round Chirac to prevent LePen's election.

At least I hope that Paul and people like him can split the right-wing and help get the Dems elected.

[calmblueocean]

53. RP lost because he couldn't get voters to vote for him in the primaries.

Given his failures there, it seems silly to think he'd have more success in the general election.

Besides, he's a kook. That's *why* people didn't vote for him. They don't want to see the end of Social Security or OSHA or Worker's Comp or Unemployment Insurance or the FDA or the EPA, etc., etc, and RP does. He's got a mind that's addled towards conspiracy theories regarding the Fed, and has believes that fertilized eggs should be made citizens of the United States.

He's got a good anti-war message, but that's it. He was never viable.

[AllentownJake]

7. McCain is fucked

If he move anywhere towards the center more and more of the base will leave him. He will be spending the next 2 months alienating moderates.

[BayouBengal07]

11. I'm only about 1/8 of the way down the page

but it looks like they all want

(1) A giant border fence
(2) Domestic oil drilling
(3) Various calls for smaller government
(4) A Fair Tax (do they mean flat? Eliminate the income tax?)

Besides the fact that anything they ask the government to do immediately runs afoul of their smaller government mantra, how many Americans really want to see the government pour money and manpower into a 2-3000 mile long supposedly impenetrable fence on the Mexican border? Likewise, do they really think the American public would sit idly by while they stripped away social programs? Government might not be the most efficient thing in the world, but I bet a good chunk of Americans want to keep public schools and medicare.

[pretzel4gore]

15. they forget supply side economics, didya notice?

how conveeenient! drive up the price of dope by enforcing ridiculous laws? yep. drive up the price of greencards- make officials even more subject to tempting bribes (at some point it's silly not to score some money, right) but, regardless, make green cars harder to get anywise! yep...
the repukkes problem is they purposely ignore the truth, at will, if they think it gains them....but their dishonesty is all that anyone sees, and thus the dishonesty then must include such a thing as eyesight itself in the mix- like the saintly Che Guevera once said "who you gonna believe, george bush's eyes, my eyes, or your own eyes?" (paraphrased, with some liberality)

[jazzjunkysue]

17. Most illegal aliens fly in on the major airlines, so the fence is a symbol

for their walled up stupidity. Most just overstay their visa. Do they really think there are thousands of mexicans climbing over the fence every day?

In order to accomplish what they think a fence would do, they'd have to close all the US airports and canadian borders.

[Jade Fox]

31. Most of the posters seem to believe......

they don't benefit from Government programs in any way. That's how out of touch with reality they are.

[anigbrowl]

46. Exactly...they think govt is supposed to run the army, police, and print money

(as long as there's gold in fort Knox). Libertarians are sincere conservatives who do care about freedom and the idea of America, but their whole mindset depends on having free land to move into to the west. they have zero concept of sustainability or economic infrastructure. We'd be poorer without them, because they are hard-working and enterprising people, but they suffer from a giant case of tunnel vision.

[workinclasszero]

13. Gee I guess Mr. and Mrs. Average American finally woke up

to the fact that their party has been screwing the hell out of them for the last 12 years!

They are a slow bunch, ain't they?

But Rush, Hannity and Bill Oreilly assures them everyday that its the evil Dem's fault that america is so jacked up.

Where did the little Josef Goebbels go wrong??

Oh yeah, the Republican party has been in charge for the last 12 years!

But hey conservatives its better to get F'd over by your friends rather than your enemies right? :rofl:

The republican party has been murdered by George Bush, Dick Cheney, John "100 years in Iraqi Hell" McCain and corporate Amerika. Those who still remain are committing suicide. Their hatred of all who don't make 100,000 or more a year and aren't white has finally caught up with them.

The now republican churches where Rush Limbaugh's latest screed is their holy word are an affront to God.

Their whole world is collapsing and they have no one to blame but their lying republican leaders.

I can't wait for the fall elections! The Götterdämmerung of the Republican party will be a sight to see!

[Epiphany4z]

14. holy expletive bat man!!!

I have been reading for 15 min and have yet to find a positive comment...wow they are pissed.

Looks like McSame is caught between a rock and a hard place..they need both the bat shit crazy right wing and they need the moderates to win...and I just don't think they can bring them together...he moves right..he scares moderates..he moves center he pisses off the bats....

This could be fun...

[jazzjunkysue]

18. I keep saying this: and most of the rest won't vote.

Do you really think the southern archie bunkers will drive all the way in to the voting booth to vote for gramps knowing he's gonna get trounced by a black?

They hate to vote for a loser, anyway, butthis time they know a black will beat their guy.

They're staying home. Period.

[MagickMuffin]

19. We'll have to take some time to read their junk

but wanted to :kick: & RRRRR

Now if we can just keep our Party from imploded at the same time.

[flor de jasmim]

21. Sorry, three minutes was my limit. You must have fortitude :-) to last an hour!

[dorkulon]

22. Liberal Democrats Committing Mass Political Suicide - Live!

Right here in GD: P!

[sfaprog]

23. Come on, only a quarter of us are recommending. --- This is knowledge we all need for perspective

While we worry about damaging our own party, it is nothing compared to the implosion going on in the GOP.

[stevedeshazer]

24. Amazing. Recommended.

They are in full revolt mode. Expect huge Democratic gains in Congress come fall.

[Goodnevil]

26. Total GOP chaos

It appears they have no leadership and the guys coming out to lead are being shouted down.

[The River]

27. The 29 Percenters

who probably have a 100 pictures of
Saint Raygun in their homes.

[dansolo]

28. This was Ralph Nader's strategy in 2000

A lot of Nader's followers in 2000 were hoping for the same result on the Democratic side in 2000. They wanted to hurt the Democratic party so they could pull it more to the left. We are seeing the mirror image of the 2000 election here, only on the Republican side.

[PatGund]

29. Wow....

Paranoid to the max. But they have some valid (to them) points - which is the GOP has gone so far away from it's roots that it's completely lost touch with the people in this country.

The DNC task, (assuming we can neuter the GOP-lite that is the DLC), is to try and reach out to the people and show them that despite the GOP and NeoCon propaganda for the last 20+ years, we're the party of the people.

[Goodnevil]

30. I heartily agree

[Spooky_D]

32. I could only read for about 15 minutes...

...but watching the fascists eat their own is always entertaining.

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[Zachstar]

36. SKYNET!!!

[anaxarchos]

37. Kick... eom.

[FrenchieCat]

38. The only "Base" McCain has is the Corporate media.

Which is why if we, the activists, work hard to keep the media in line, we will win.

[Zachstar]

40. Bingo!

[calmblueocean]

55. Yupperdoodles.

So true.

Wait, you forgot racists! :)

[swishyfeet]

39. Wow. Need to keep this one around for all the doomsdayers

Made my day!

Obama's gonna make it tomorrow on a beautiful day along the riverfront in downtown Portland.

[quakerboy]

41. Yeah

I like hearing that. I want to agree with everyone here. But remember that Ron Paul won an awful lot of online polls, and keep in mind exactly how far that got him. I will believe it when I see Bob Bar polling in the double digits nationally.

[swishyfeet]

42. It's gotta suck to be a "true conservative" these days

For all their wants and desires, the MSM gives zero play whatsoever.

Fair tax.
Oil wells and nucular powerplants everywhere.
Elimination of dept of Ed.
Small govt.
No amnesty.

Heck, I thought Repubs were just for bombing tan folks. In all those comments, there was no talk of Iraq AT ALL!

Now all the conservatives seem to want is a break from voting this year.

It's just so goddamn delicious.

[anonymous171]

50. Conservatives are realizing what the neocons have done to their party.

I guess we should thank the neocons. Without them the Reagan Era would've continued.

[anigbrowl]

59. Not really. In their view, the neocons aren't conservative enough.

Remember these people are not that big on logic or intellectual consistency.

[anonymous171]

61. Well yeah. I mean, what conservative would adocate policing the world?

Neocons just latch onto any party that will hold them. We need to keep them off of us. Their policies could easily be adapted for a democratic platform. We must be vigilant.

[genna]

43. The bigger picture is worth thinking through

The worse thing is that these people are serious. I thought the Republicans in office were scary. They want people to do themselves even if they die off trying.

Where is the sense of compassion and decency in that?

I agree with Eugene Robinson, your ideas are morally bankrupt. If John McCain is liberal compared to these people, it feels like they may be evil incarnate.

So would abandoning the New Orleans and other Katrina disaster areas be what a conservative government looks for? How do these people live with themselves?

Good old boys = corporate boys?

The party has gone back to the good old boy party of elite country club moderates. That is not the way to win elections or raise money. I will certainly read your e-mails but will not support any candidate that does not espouse a conservtive agenda. I hope the party will adopt that philosophy and then carry through.

Who gives the business you work for public services like water and sewage?

No conservative American gets up in the morning looking for a government handout. They go to work and support their families. I have 2 questions for you. When everyone is collecting who will be paying?

Why is the media only able to circle their wagons around one story at a time? Surely if the Democrats are a divided house, this one is not whole either.

Let's see OBAMA(Marxist), CLINTON(Marxist), MCCAIN(Open border/amnesty liberal). I have changed my party affiliation to independent. I will not vote for anyone who says one thing during the primary and when they think they have the nomination locked up, tell how they truly feel. John McCain "DIDN'T GET IT" after-all.

Hold your nose and click.

Hold my stomach and take deep breaths. When the nature of reality is this vastly different, how can we manage to work with them?

I'd say the chasm between Hillary and Bill Clinton's shameful primary etiquette is not as imperfect as these haters.

Thank you for giving me a bigger picture to reflect on. I doubt I'd seriously want to tolerate RINOs in league with these ideas.

[anigbrowl]

49. these are the people who think massive credit card debt is a business strategy

they have little or no grasp of economics - much like the Dem left who believe that world peace can be established and poverty eliminated by waving a magic wand. These reps share the belief that government controls and holds VAST amounts of money (ie far more than it actually costs to run the country). They just want it going into their pockets instead of to Africa or places like that.

[Pluvious]

44. Do they ALL believe Global Warming is a Hoax ?

Reading thru these is a fascinating view into some very locked
viewpoints and beliefs.

But it struck me how many seem 100% convinced that that
Global Warming is a hoax - not something possible, needing more
research and study, but an outright indisputable FACT.

---
"An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."
-John F. Kennedy

[anigbrowl]

47. Yep - they think it's a conspiracy theory cooked up by scientists

Here's the 'logic'...scientists need grants to work; global warming is impossible to prove, so the grants will keep flowing; scientists are laughing all the way to the bank as they take vacations on icebergs. They're sure it's a big scam by PhDs who can't get a real job. It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic and paranoid.

[ruby slippers]

56. Global Warming is caused by weather manipulation, which the GOP supports....remember

when they silenced all the scientists because they know that if the weather manipulation gets out globally that there are severe consequences. And, remember, China is working on the opening day ceremonies so that they have good weather (that is a fact) and look what might have happened with the earthquake there.....

Just like the drilling in Alaska on the North Slope. It isn't for gas, it is for the weather satellites. See EASTLUND SCIENTIFIC ABSTRACT as they tell all about it....(they are not a conspiracy theory website).

http://www.eastlundscience.com/WEATHER.html

[anigbrowl]

58. You're sweet, but also crazy.

You're going to tell me that Al Gore and every weather scientist in Europe is part of a GOP plot? Really. As for the earthquake in China, please look at this map.



Look at the fault line. Look at the distance to Beijing. Earthquakes have been happening along fault lines all through human history, you don't need to make up weird new technology to explain it.

[ruby slippers]

60. ho hum....read on.....

And now China's weather officials have been charged with another important task: ensuring clear skies for the Summer Olympic Games next year.

Zhang Qiang, the top weather-modification bureaucrat in Beijing, said her office has been conducting experiments in cloud-busting for the past two years in preparation for the Games' opening ceremony on August 8, 2008.

She said that according to past meteorological data, there is a 50% chance of drizzle on that day. To ensure blue skies, the Beijing Weather Modification Office is busy researching the effects of various chemical activators on different sizes of cloud formations at different altitudes. The aim is to catch pregnant clouds early and induce rainfall ahead of the big day so that during the opening ceremony the sky is cloud-free.

Wang said similar efforts in the past have already helped to create good weather for a number of international events held in China, including the 1999 World Horti-Expo in Yunnan and the 1993 East Asian Games in Shanghai.

Entire article at: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/china/ig13ad01.html

And, I'm sure you have heard of the Tessla machine, eh? Earthquake machine is its nickname...

http://www.excludedmiddle.com/earthquake.htm

[anigbrowl]

62. You know, this isn't news to me

I knew about the plans to adjust the weather for the Olympics several years ago, I knew about HAARP back in the 90s, and I've been interested in Tesla for 20 years. That doesn't mean weather control leads to earthquakes. Earthquakes have been going on without human help for millions of years. I don't mean to be nasty, but the only thing these phenomena have in common is that you don't understand any of them very well. Please, study up on real science and let the conspiracy theories go.

The methods that the Chinese use for rainmaking don't even have anything to do with the technology used by HAARP or the physics which were investigated by Tesla, but involve shooting small rockets. There is no way that doing this could lead to earthquakes and it has nothing to do with HAARP or with Tesla's investigations into geophysics. In short, you are talking complete nonsense.

Now let me give you a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_Razor

[mythyc]

66. you rock angribowl, for this OP and for this response

:headbang:

:patriot:

[ruby slippers]

68. snore.....

From your Wiki: This is often paraphrased as "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.

Therefore, I deduce that anything is possible and don't underestimate what is happening behind our own ears and eyes....and the simplest explanation is that the two may be linked somehow that we don't understand just yet.....

Thanks for the challenge, though, but I'm perfectly happy wearing my own tinfoil hat....

[anigbrowl]

71. 'The simplest explanation is that the two may be linked somehow that we don't understand just yet'

Why would you want to wear a tinfoil hat when you could just learn some real science instead? There's nothing mysterious about why earthquakes occur.

[williesgirl]

45. k&r

[Zachstar]

51. Kick 2.0!

:kick:

[ObamaKerryDem]

52. K&R x100!! lol..

"These folk are so angry at their party's failures (and mostly, so terminally stupid) that they are willing to destroy it to send a message. It seems like at least a third of them will vote libertarian, and most of the rest won't vote."

YES!! :D This is perhaps the best news yet! And they talk about dissention in OUR party? LOL! I've suspected this for awhile, though and am quite frankly STILL kinda surprised they ended up picking McCain. I just don't think he'll be able to rally the far right types in the way Dubya managed to. He's certainly trying (the suddence emphasis on the 'pro life' issue, allegiance with Bush on Iraq, etc), but it just seems so disengenious. I REALLY hope Bob Barr gets the Lib. nomination and pulls a Perot and is able to get in on some of the debates..LOL! :P But either way, they're vote will likely end up being split..he'll be THEIR Nader, if not their Perot. And it will help ensure an Obama victory in November! :D

Go Barr! LMAO..

[mcctatas]

54. OMG!

I almost feel sorry for them, Oh wait, no I don't, fuck em'. On the upside, with all the threats to vote for Bob Barr or stay home I am thinking that the Hillary folks who have said they'll vote mccain will be offset in Nov! :woohoo:

[anigbrowl]

57. Thanks for the Kick and recs, all! Here's a few follow-up thoughts

You might have read today that John McCain doesn't want Michelle Malkin on his blog conference calls. Naturally, she's pissed - a lot of these comments are in line with the conservatives she caters to. Perhaps if she hadn't kept referring to him as Juan McCain she'd still be on the phone list, but as it is she's losing her press credentials with the GOP.

Same thing with Ann Coulter, who still faithfully blogs for Republicans and against Democrats, but can't bring herself to say anything good about McCain. And Rush...well, he sure hates Obama, but perhaps McCain can buy him if he strokes Rush's ego enough. Good luck on that one, Rush. Meantime, rank and file conservatives I talk to call McCain everything from 'an asshole' to a 'commie traitor'.

Moving on, what can we do to capitalize on this misery and dissatisfaction among Republicans and damage them at the polls? Well, the best thing we can do is talk to them. I'm NOT suggesting we start hanging out at Free Republic on the weekends or spamming polls at Fox News. But whenever we are in conversation with republicans, we must remind them (subtly) what McCain stands for so they remember why they don't like him.

a. Amnesty
Conservatives HATE the idea of illegal immigrants. They think illegal immigration should be practically a hanging offense (in fact, it's a civil misdemeanor, making the illegal entrant liable for a $250 fine). Correspondingly, ANY kind of compromise that allows illegals to stay in the country - regardless of the fines they have to pay or background checks they have to pass or whatever - is regarded as Amnesty.

So when chatting to conservatives, the surest way to put them off voting for McCain in the fall is to just mention the McCain Kennedy immigration reform. You don't have to support it, defend it, like it or anything else...just say 'So...how about McCain? What did you think of that McCain-Kennedy Immigration reform bill?'. OK, you WILL have to listen to a lecture from an angry conservative.

But that's OK. It's a magic word that destroys votes for McCain every time they hear it. Call up Rush Limbaugh...'Hey Rush, what did you think o McCain-Kennedy?' ZOT - McCain loses another 100 votes. write a letter to the paper - 'Dear Editor, I just can't decide on whether to vote for Obama or McCain or Ronald McDonald. I wish you'd cover the issues better. Is John McCain going to sponsor another immigration bill with Ted Kennedy? Will Obama really deliver healthcare? These are important issues! Yours, Joe Blow'.

Mention it on your blogs - the less political the better. The thing is, there's no point in trying to get a conservative to vote for Obama - never gonna happen. But mention 'amnesty' and it puts them off voting for McCain, big time.

b. Global Warming
Conservatives just do not believe in it. It's not happening. And if it is, then it's a good thing. Really, it's all a conspiracy among scientists (those elitists) to defraud you, the taxpayer, of your hard earned cash that is rightfully your, so those scientists can get grants instead of doing real work. They go to college because they know that being a scientist who subsists on grants is a great way to make money. Conservatives would never do this because they have too much self-respect, and they know that too much education makes you stupid (someone actually said that to me the other day).

So magic phrase #2...'at least he gets global warming'. Damn him with faint praise. I don't like McCain's war policy, but at least he gets global warming. McCain doesn't know what to do about the economy, but at least he gets global warming. Of course, our candidates have got global warming for years, and far better than McCain. Al Gore is a democrat. But at least McCain gets global warming.

Every time a conservative hears this, it just reminds them how UNconservative John McCain is, because true conservatives want to drill for oil in ANWR (even though this will take 10 years and only meet 2% of our requirements), and they KNOW that global warming is an evil lie. Being reminded that John McCain 'gets it' just reminds them how much he DOESN'T get conservatism.

c. McCain's wrong on the war
Lastly, let's recall that he's wrong on the war. The trick with this meme is not say what is wrong about his stance...just say he's wrong on the war, you don't think he can bring it to a successful conclusion. the less you say, the more your conservative listener/reader will project their own prejudices onto it. Do they support Ron Paul? Then McCain is definitely wrong on the war. Are they more of a Bush type? Then they probably think McCain is wrong on the war. McCain-haters all secretly think he had his brain reprogrammed in Viet Nam anyway, and that he's sold out thousands of missing POWs in exchange for hookers and blow.

It's vital not to express what you think is the right thing to do about the war; that just invites disagreement. Just express a general air of pessimism and say you think John McCain's wrong on the war. True conservatives don't really care about the war; they want victory, of course, but since most of them are non-military weenies (or have been thrown out of the armed forces, in some cases), they're quite happy to let thousands more of our troops get killed and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis get killed, because the war gives them a convenient excuse to grumble about the Democrats and say we are going sell them down the river while the country is taken over by Islamofascists or something.

'McCain's wrong on the war' is a statement that actually does not mean a damn thing, without specifics. But it does arouse and emotion of failure and connect it with McCain in the minds of people who loathe the guy anyway. Forget logic and reason when dealing with conservatives. The way to win with them is to make vague statements that have strong emotional content but not much specific to disagree with.

Bonus meme! 'Reagan would do things differently.'
They LOVE Reagan. He was a total ass as President, but he made them feel good. Bush sort of made them feel good but when Reagan was president there were no wars, there was a bunch of money floating around (because our monetary policy was a hopeless mess) and they remember their 20s and 30s when they were having a good time and getting laid more often.

If you're talking to a conservative (or writing a letter to the paper, or messing with Rush Limbaugh's head) saying 'Reagan would have done things different' is a asure winner. They WILL agree with you. You can add on pretty much any bullshit afterwards - 'he's have cleaned up our economy/solved terrorism/got the country back on track/made the world safer/brought me a pony' - and they'll agree with it. Reagan is conservative's idea of God and is more important to them than Jesus because Jesus was some hippy-looking dude who talked about poor people and so on. Reagan talked about good and evil and had a nice haircut. He was much easier to believe in.

Just mention Saint Reagan. Every time they hear his name, conservatives are conscious of just how unlike Reagan McCain is (or anyone else in the GOP), and their desire to vote for him or the party in November evaporates. At this point you can start saying total bullshit like 'throw the bums out' or 'it's really time to clean house' or something equally meaningless and they'll agree with you.


In summary, the way to get to a conservative and get them where it hurts is not to argue that the Democrat is good - they always have a bunch of arguments ready for that. The way to hurt a conservative is to remind them what a let-down McCain and the GOP are. 'McCain - well, he did push that amnesty, thing, didn't he? I wasn't sure about that. He talks a lot about global warming. But he's wrong on Iraq. Reagan would have done things differently.'

Congratulations! in 4 simple sentences, you've demoralized another conservative voter...and they probably think you're being sympathetic. At this point, you can say anything from 'How about voting for Bob Barr, the Libertarian' to 'I'm gonna vote Obama, send a real message to those schmucks in the party that they won't forget in a hurry.' If you're feeling especially aggressive, you can even say 'I'm not voting for another Republican ever again until they start acting like a conservative party is supposed to' (whatever that means).


As I've said, they really want to lose this year. They just want to be off the hook for 4 years and they're happy to let McCain, and to an extent the entire congressional party, be the scape goat for their sins. So let's encourage them in that belief.

[autorank]

63. That's a blood bath

Not one favorable comment to the RNC guy, Cole, not one, except an expression of pity.

"I'm 90% positive that I will not vote for McCain in November; but, like some others posting here, Bob Barr and the Libertarians are looking better everyday.

The only way to guarantee my vote for a Republican presidential candidate is for you to get McCain off the ticket. Is that even still possible? If not, it's good bye Republican Party, hello Libertarians."

Bob Barr, oh there is a supreme deity.

This is as ugly as it gets. The DNC blog is pretty leftist. I post there from time to time.
But there's no all out assault on the leadership. There is a fair amount of sentiment that doesn't fit
the DNC middle way politics, but that's just the way it is. Nobody goes after Dean or the other
leaders. This is good news.

Keep in mind, these guys don't really win the big elections, somebody hands it to them.

This nastiness reflects about 10% of the public with the other 10% of Bush "approval" being from
the die hard superstition cult voters.

This will be a strong pull for McCain to run on the right. Oh well, tough being him. He wanted
this, he gave up any decency he'd shown politically and now he's in bed with Hagee.

[Chulanowa]

64. Reminds me of Trinity's death scene in the Matrix trilogy...

Just die already, you irritating sot!

Reading these replies takes me back to my days as the "opposition" on a few right wing sites... They literally enjoy shitting and then rolling in it. They think it grants them magic powers or something. I have never seen a conservative make any amount of sense on... Well... anything.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

65. They don't believe in judicial review, we've had since 1803.

Marbury versus Madison. The idea that judges can change statute law with case law. They hate "judges that legislate from the bench" unless it's Scalia or Roberts or Thomas.

They want to get government out of their lives, but they want their "entitlement" of Social Security and Medicare when they retire.

They cannot spell "lose". They think it has two "o"s.

[DemVet]

67. Look at it this way....

...if we had Nominated Lieberman, who would you vote for in the GE, Lieberman or the conservative Republican? Uh huh, that's right...Lieberman...the lesser of two evils. Not voting at all is like voting for the other guy.

We don't need to start getting cocky before the GE results are in. Don't think for one minute that these R's will stay home just because they're not thrilled with their choice. We seem to want to believe polls and articles that say they will stay home, yet don't want to believe the ones that say pissed-off Democrats (the ones who's candidate didn't make it) will also stay home.

Keep your eye on the ball, people.

[ekwhite]

69. K&R

I loved the guy who said he had most of "Conscious of a Conservative" memorized. Apparently, it must have been the books on tape version.