A message to Hillary backers threatening to stay home or vote McCain

[dorkulon]

Just realize this: If elected, McCain will overturn Roe v. Wade.

The remaining liberals on the Supreme Court are old. One or more is likely to retire or die within the next four years. McCain will appoint, as he has promised, more Scalia-type conservatives to the court. They WILL overturn Roe v. Wade, among many other tragic setbacks for freedom, justice and equality in this country. I'm sure I don't have to tell you what a disaster this would be for our country.

Think about it: Is your anger, righteous or not, worth doing that to America? Would you really prefer to live in a country where abortion is illegal, even in only some states, just to stick it to us Obamatons?

Seriously, think about it.

[elocs]

1. I believe that most of the threats not to support the opposing candidate are just talk.

The 2nd worst thing that a person who does not support your candidate, whom you may be passionate about, can do is to threaten not to support them in the general election if they get the nomination. It's an easy thing they can say just to be in your face: "Your candidate is so bad I will not even vote for them".

They can one-up that with the worst thing that can be threatened: not only will they not vote for your candidate, instead, they will actually cast their vote for the enemy--John McCain. By doing that, they can not only slap your face, but spit in it at the same time. They are saying, "Your candidate is worse than the enemy, John McCain, and I will vote for him instead". The ultimate insult and threat.

Preaching at these people that they should not do this is like preaching at smokers that they should not smoke for many good reasons. The people who make the candidate threats already know the reasons they should support the nominee and why they should not vote for McCain. Come the general election I am betting they will support our nominee, but until then the threat not to do that is a good way of getting peoples' goat and getting in their faces.

[dorkulon]

4. I agree it's not likely to happen.

The Republicans were all saying this about McCain before he got the nom, too. But I guess it just seems like such a crazy thing to say, I'd like to bring some people back to earth on this.

[leftofcool]

50. Then I wouldn't worry about it.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Everything stated above, plus don't imagine 2012 will offer another chance.

The rest of the electronic voting machines will be up and running. Whoever controls the system will choose the next President and Congress, and hence the Supreme Court, as well as the governorships, etc. This country's destiny will be cast in whatever image the corporations want it to be.

[Zachstar]

3. Thankfully many of their threats are just talk.

They will QUICKLY realize that IF Obama loses due party to crossovers. Clinton will be one of the most hated names in modern History. And womens rights will go back 50 years as Roe Vs Wade is lost and the other rulings of justice overturned.

My guess is less than a thousand will actually go ahead in do it if they werent secretly republicans anyway. 1000 that would throw away the right of a woman to control her body to get back at a phantom enemy.

[Oleladylib]

17. Lord, now if Obama loses, it's Hillary's fault...Can't the man do ANYTHING by himself!

Give me a freakin' break...Men made the country, men ruined the country...I'm glad the Y chromosome is dyin'!

[dorkulon]

24. Not Hillary's fault. YOUR fault. /nt

[earthlover]

25. ANd McCain, last I checked, was a man! Vote for him, end Roe v Wade

[Oleladylib]

95. u , I'm not voting for McCain..I am against abortion but pro choice...

care to sign on as a FREE THINKER!

[cali]

39. My, my. What hate. "I'm glad the Y chromosome is dying"

And could you be any more sexist? LOL!! Gotta love the rank hypocrisy.

[Forkboy]

42. We love you too, sweetie.

[Zachstar]

43. Keep the sexism out of this please.

[Oleladylib]

96. I would love to..but, I see more so called liberal chauvanists here than on any web-site..

by the way that's an oxymoron!

[Perry Logan]

5. You should have thought of that before you called the Hillary people racists.

"There seems to be a movement afoot by many thousands of Hillary Clinton supporters to either vote for John McCain, another presidential candidate, write Hillary’s name in, not vote for president at all, or simply stay home on election night if Hillary Clinton is not the Democratic nominee for president.

There is ample proof of this movement throughout the Internet on pro-Hillary Clinton sites and other sites where comments can be made. These Clinton supporters usually give several reasons for their adamant refusal to fall in line behind Barack Obama as the presumptive Democratic nominee - and I haven’t seen one of those reasons being because Obama is black (actually he isn’t really African-American, but instead 50% white, 43.25% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro . 12.5% is the legal threshold one must prove to claim racial status under the law).
http://777denny.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/hillary-clinton-supporters-are-mad-as-heck-and-are-refusing-to-fall-quietly-in-line-behind-obama/

[LaurenG]

7. That will be their choice and their karma

It's on them to do the right thing or not but I'm not interested in how mad they are anymore. For some reason too many people think it's ok to "pay back" others for perceived slights.

I won't be emotionally blackmailed. I used to care about them but those democrats who out of spite, vote for a republican are just sore losers and I have no more empathy for them. :shrug:

[Lerkfish]

12. my observation is that some have had an amazing amount of hubris throughout

first, they were arrogant when they thought they were the inevitable candidate before supertuesday.
then, they were arrogant when they thought it was ok to trash obama and lift up mccain
then, they were arrogant when they thought it was ok to use race
then, they were arrogant when they started throwing people under the bus
then, they were arrogant when they refuse to do the math and realize they were losing
then, they were arrogant when they finally realized they were losing
then, they were arrogant when they threatened to take their ball and go home
then, they were arrogant when they acted like we owed them something.

and now, they're arrogant when they expect us to care if they reveal themselves as republicans.

[Forkboy]

57. That about sums it up.

:)

[Lerkfish]

9. well, the charge is actually appealing to racists, which is very accurate, and

in your pique you will punish the entire country?


how petty are you?

[martymar64]

119. Next, they'll say Emmett Till had it coming.

Same with the Scottsboro Boys. How dare they diss the white lady?

[dorkulon]

10. Well, that's a McCain supporter's blog.

Not exactly trusting that info.

[cali]

23. sorry, Perry, Your temper tantrums and their temper tantrums

and antics will be to no avail. tough. And it's going to be interesting to see if they're hate and derangement lasts until november. If so, they're in danger of choking on the words President-Elect Barack Obama.

[earthlover]

28. Some are racists, others are not. The racists suck. The others not.

[JTFrog]

29. Right, overturn Roe v. Wade and pass out coathangers because someone called them a name?

Yes that sounds like a typical democratic reaction... NOT. This party is full of people that have stood up to being called a hell of a lot worse WITHOUT throwing their entire group and best interests under the bus.

Anyone who is more interested in getting some retaliation for an insult than about their daughters and sisters and nieces and aunts who'll die when men regain total control of our reproductive systems is already on the way to being a batshit crazy republican. They should seek help immediately.

And is your little post trying to infer that Hillary couldn't be using racism in her campaign because OBAMA ISN'T REALLY BLACK ENOUGH? 12.5%. And you post this kind of tripe without regret?

Screw all of you trying to put the onus on ALL WOMEN for Hillary's failures. Four Eight years I've heard nothing but "grow a backbone" from the democrats on this board, complaining left and right when our representatives tuck off into a corner for their own selfish reasons and throw some group off to the wolves.


SO WHERE IS THAT BACKBONE? ARE THESE THE STRONG WOMEN THEY CLAIM TO BE? How can they be so "INSULTED" if they are so strong and sure of who they are?

At least with a more conservative court they would probably never be held accountable for the millions of women who would die due to their selfishness.

[PVnRT]

82. Wow. Now we're discussing what "percentage" black he is

Nothing racist there. Maybe we should call him a mulatto?

[EFerrari]

97. No kidding. n/t

[walldude]

112. You posted a diatribe on how Obama isn't

"legally black" from a goddamn McCain supporters blog and head it with the title

"You should have thought of that before you called the Hillary people racists."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Subtle.

[avenger64]

133. Dittos. I'm not giving in to blackmail ...

... being called racist for not voting Obama gives a grim indication of what his campaign is all about.

[POAS]

6. It's more than Roe

Think about a war zone stretching from Pakistan to Syria.

Think about more Guantanamos.

Think about more children left behind.

Think about more torture.

Think about more homeless and helpless veterans.

Think about the future.

Think!

[JTFrog]

37. They are holding my vagina hostage, threatening to give some man control of it.

Since those issues you listed don't appear to directly affect my vagina, I doubt they'll be thinking of them except as an afterthought.

:shrug:

[POAS]

45. So you will support McCain???

Does he support your vagina?

Can only a woman support your vagina?

How many women were on the SCOTUS that decided Roe? DId the men on that SCOTUS support your vagina?

Let's talk about my cancerous prostate for a moment (well cancerous till they took it out anyway)!

Do you think overturning Roe wouldn't effect my ability to confidential consultation with my doctor on how to treat my cancer just as much as it effects your vagina? Roe was NOT decided on the merits of abortion. It was decided on the basis of confidentiality of the doctor patient relationship and if over turned it effects all who see a doctor, not just those of us with vaginas.

[dorkulon]

46. I think she was kidding, POAS.

Not particularly helpful, but yeah, I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

[POAS]

47. I hope you are right

I fear you are not

[JTFrog]

48. Buddy you are barking up the wrong tree.

I'm just pointing out that those who say they will vote for McCain over Obama are holding MY vagina hostage...

I think you can figure out the rest of my post from there....

[POAS]

74. Point taken, my misreading...and my apology!

[JTFrog]

86. No worries :) Not the first time I've been misunderstood, lol! n/t

[rpannier]

8. You left out one thing

Even the candidate (HRC) has said voting for mcbush is stupid.

[dorkulon]

52. Good point. /nt

[Cheap_Trick]

79. well then, her followers should listen to their idol n/t

[susankh4]

11. "Just realize this: If elected, McCain will overturn Roe v. Wade. "

1) No he won't.

2) It's not my issue (anymore.)

Enough of the threats already! Tell us why your candidate is best for the country..... not what's gonna happen if he doesn't get coronated.

[Lerkfish]

13. who is really placing threats?

be honest.

[susankh4]

15. Well, a few days ago there was a hanger pictured here.....

and the threat of illegal abortions galore if Mr. Obama doesn't win.

Look, I've done my share for abortion rights over the years. So has`Sen. Clinton. If ya'll were so worried about it, ya would not be supporting Mister "I voted present" on this issue. Now would you?

It is time for the next generation of feminists to take matters into their own hands. If they think Mr. Obama is the way... so be it. Let them come out and vote for him.

[dorkulon]

18. That's ridiculous.

You know Obama will appoint pro-choice judges. Admit it. You know it. This is not about me or you, or Obama or Hillary. If Hillary took the nom, I would definitely vote for her. The point is that she will probably not win, so you have a choice: Obama or McCain. You've done your share, so now you're okay with letting it all go to hell? Let someone else worry about it, it's not your problem? That's pretty weak.

[susankh4]

22. No I do not.

I know very little about Mr. Obama and his stand on reproductive right to be honest. In his book he says he wants dialog between Pro-life and pro-choice forces. I have no idea what that would look like. Do you?

[dorkulon]

27. Better than this.

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_McCain_Abortion.htm

[susankh4]

30. Like I said...

no repeal of Roe v. Wade.

[dorkulon]

34. Blind?

"Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions
McCain said he thought Roe v. Wade should be overturned and said he would support exceptions to a ban on abortion in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000"

[earthlover]

38. NARAL endorsed Obama.

I would suggest you do a bit more research on Obama, to see why NARAL endorsed him. They are not exactly pro-lifers.....

[FloridaJudy]

88. Obama got NARAL's endorsement

I think that makes his stand on Reproductive Rights plain.

Frankly, his stance isn't all that different from Senator Clinton's on this issue. And both of them are 180 degree's from McSame's. So it makes sense to me to vote for the Dem in November. It looks likes it will probably be Senator Obama.

I can live with that. I can live with Clinton, come to that, should she somehow get the nomination.

But I sure as hell can't live with the alternative.

[bunnies]

127. Stop running your mouth and educate yourself.

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/22/obama_statement_on_35th_annive.php

Spewing bullshit isnt pretty.

And furthermore... the coat hanger thread didnt threaten anything but facts. McCain will take away womens rights. And to hell with any woman advocating that.

[POAS]

21. Are you saying that

if McCain wins and appoints new anti abortion judges to the scotus thatRoe won't be overturned and the coat hanger abortions won't come back?

Are you willing to trust McCain with that choice?

Are you willing to take the risk if Hillary loses the nomination fight?

WOuld you expect Obama supporters to do the same if he loses the nomination fight?

There is only one choice. It isn't Obama or Hillary. It is Democratic.

[susankh4]

26. I am saying that... a thin resume is not an asset.

Everyone sees what they want to see on a blank page.

[dorkulon]

31. It's not about Obama being the best candidate ever.

It's about him not being nearly as bad as McCain. Like Kerry was better than Bush. Like Clinton was better than Bush Sr. We all know we can't have exactly what we want, but that's not a reason to sulk.

[POAS]

40. All Presidents get on the job training

No candidate can claim prior experience at running the most powerful country in the world (unless Jimmy runs again).

And sometimes a full resume can expose weakness as well as strength.

Take heart that we have two good progressives to choose between! To my old lefty heart they are both way to far to the right I will vote the winner on the Democratic nomination for the good of the country in November. I hope you can also!

[earthlover]

35. So that is a threat? I would say reality-based thinking.

Go ahead, examine the ages of the Supreme Court justices. See how old the more liberal judges are. Make your own bets as to how many justices McCain would be able to name. My hunch is an 8-1 Republican Supreme Court. Not only would Roe v Wade be endangered, but others of the civil liberties that have not been taken away yet. By the life term members,.....we won't get another chance in 2012 to kick them out, they serve life terms.

[Lerkfish]

62. not sure if you meant to talk to me?

I'm talking about clinton supporters threatening to vote mccain

[dorkulon]

14. No he won't? What do you base that on?

Look, it's not a "coronation" if he wins. If you can't see that Obama would be better than McCain, on abortion, health care, foreign policy and anything else under the sun, then go ahead and cut off your nose to spite your face. I guess if you're pro-life then you ought to vote McCain.

[susankh4]

16. His voting record.

[JTFrog]

41. What does 2) mean?

That you are beyond child bearing age so it's not your fucking problem?

I hope you don't have daughters, nieces, aunts, sisters, cousins or hell even friends of childbearing age.

Please tell me I misinterpreted that, because I'm just stunned.

[cali]

44. Yes he will. I suggest you read Jeffery Toobin on exactly how it will happen.

And just because you're past menopause it's not your issue? How lame. The ones making threats are the Hillary zealots. And it's about being elected, not coronated. If you can't figure out why he's better for the country than McCainiac, well, you just aren't thinking or looking. Here, I'll make it easy for you:

Obama will repeal tax cuts for the wealthy.

Obama will appoint reasonable judges to the Federal bench and decent Justices to the SCOTUS. This isn't just about women and choice. It's about gay rights and war and peace and gov't secrecy and signing statements and the environment and criminal justice and voting rights and more.

Obama will bring home our troops from Iraq.

Obama will not start bushian wars that threaten to set the globe ablaze.

Obama will expand healthcare coverage.

Obama will close gitmo.

Obama will sign legislation restoring Habeas Corpus.

Obama will focus on climate change.


Now you know.

[PVnRT]

83. I guess we should have "coronated" Hillary

Then everything would be wonderful.

[Pushed To The Left]

19. K&R. Hopefully they will come to their senses before November

The ones that don't probably don't really care about Roe v. Wade or any other civil rights issue.

[rpannier]

32. I've been voting since 1982 and I've found that's usually the case

I supported Brown in 92 and was pissed off at the way I felt he was poorly treated at the Democratic Convention in 92.
But, I voted for Clinton because I was not sure we were definately going to win and I wasn't having another 4 years of idiotic republikkan policies.

People tend to make their protest vote when they think it won't matter much.

This of course, requires both sides to cut the rhetoric and vitriole towards one another

[dorkulon]

36. I agree, we all need to relax and be more civil. /nt

[Forkboy]

20. They care about women's rights so much they're willing to throw them away in a fit of petulence.

Short sighted, simplistic, ego-driven idiots.

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[anamnua]

49. Pie chart

You sound like a 'threat mode' man in the famous pie chart. I don't want to incur the wrath of the admins so if you want to find out more about this google on 'pocket guide to the obamaniac behaviour cycle'.

[dorkulon]

51. I'm really not trying to threaten you; I'm trying to tell you what the real risks are

of abandoning your party just because your favorite candidate didn't win. If Clinton was the nominee and Obama supporters were threatening the same "tactic," I'd be posting the same message to them, honest.

[leftofcool]

54. So you didn't support

the little Obama slogan here........"I'd rather lose with Obama than win with Hillary"

[dorkulon]

59. Never.

I'm not that much of a follower. I was pretty much undecided between the three (including Edwards) for some time. I admit I prefer Obama, but I've never hated the Clintons and would definitely vote for Hillary if she did turn out to be the nominee, even now.

[Seabiscuit]

69. "honest"? "You'd be posting the same message to them, "honest""?

The only people I've ever known who have to use the word "honest" that way are anything but.

[Seabiscuit]

107. Hmmm...

Why would this "incur the wrath of the admins"? It's very accurately descriptive of behavior we see on this board all the time (in threads that are never locked and in posts that are never deleted and by people who are never tombstoned) that they apparently approve of:

[Name removed]

120. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[dorkulon]

122. That is uncalled for.

Jesus. That's just not helpful at all.

[martymar64]

123. Sorry, I see them as racists and I call them on it.

It's up to them to denounce racist rhetoric and racists like Gerry Ferraro.
I know it's pretty mean what I said, but the truth can be pretty mean sometimes.

I'm not willing to make nice with racists. The Democratic Party did that openly up to 1964 and it has to end now.
The Lester Maddox's and the George Wallace's of the party have to go.

[Seabiscuit]

126. And I'm not ready

to make nice with vile, pathetic assholes like you. Off to "ignore land" with you.

But first the mods will be alerted to your previous post.

You just proved the point of the whoever created that pie chart.

[MyNameGoesHere]

53. I will not stay home.. Well only one thing could make me not vote

and that is if Obama picks a woman other than HRC as a VP. That would be a slap in the face and i would be tempted to not vote. So i hope he chooses a man because it would just be an awful insult after HRC did all the work to get a woman candidate taken seriously.

[dorkulon]

58. I still think that's a bad reason.

Even if you'd think it unfair, Hillary is just one person, and her ego is not worth jeopardizing the country. It seems counterintuitive to punish him (and all of us) for choosing a woman rather than a man, after all.

Obviously there's been some acrimony between the two campaigns, so I won't be surprised if neither of them are interested in joining each other.

[DemVet]

55. McCain will overturn Roe v. Wade"....geez, where do they come up with this shit?

McCain is going to do it all by himself, huh?

With a (probable) Democratic Congress and Senate, right?

And Democrats accuse the pubs of fear-mongering.

Go Hillary!!!

[dorkulon]

60. Get back to me after you read my OP and then the U.S. Constitution, pinhead.

Congress has nothing to do with it for God's sake.

[DemVet]

124. OK, I read your OP again...it's even more stupid than when I read it the first time, moron

[dorkulon]

125. This time did you understand that only the Supreme Court can reverse Roe?

That Congress has nothing to do with it, beyond confirming new Justices, which they virtually always do?

At least you know how to spell "moron," I guess.

[anamnua]

56. I'm actually a pro-life Democrat

Yes. We do exist.

[dorkulon]

61. I'm sorry to hear that. Go vote McCain then.

He's your man!

[hiroyuyu2009]

63. carl

cool

[dorkulon]

90. carl cool?

Never heard of the bum!

[anamnua]

101. Pro-life

= anti-abortion and anti-death penalty. Two sides of the same coin. As someone said uberDemocrats want to kill at birth. UberRepublicans wait until you're a bit older.

[dorkulon]

104. Well, by that model...

There's a hell of a lot more abortions than executions. If they're the same thing to you, you probably should vote McCain. Not trying to be hostile, just logical.

[anamnua]

105. Pro-life

also means being pro-universal health care. Unlike you guys I don't agree with *absolutely everything* my candidate stands for. And I don't regard her as a messiah - just the best person for the job.

[dorkulon]

106. Please don't tar me as a kook.

Messiah my ass. I just think he's better than Hillary or McCain. Can you accept that without stereotyping me as an irrational fanatic?

[bunnies]

129. Id love to know what makes you think you should get to control my body.

Please. Explain to me why I cant be the boss of my own vagina. I'd love to know.

[TankLV]

64. Keep it up - that's a "great" way to woo us...

It's because of fucking idiots like YOU and posts like YOURS that will be to blame if WE choose to sit this one out.

YOU idiots have proven time and again you don't WANT us let alone like us, so just keep up your SCOLDING and BLAMING - that'll work REAL good...

NO, asshole - you only have YOURSELVES to blame for DRIVING US AWAY...

Sorry, when obama REPEATEDLY and CONSCIOUSLY decided to throw us GBLT under the buss to go after the black fundie bigoted homophobe vote, he lost US...and he has YET to appologize...

You can sit and stew in your "victory" all by YOURSELVES without US...and you only have YOURSELVES to blame.

I will vote this november - but if obama is the nominee - I will leave that space BLANK and vote downticket...

YOU and the your friends can all stew as we suffer thru another repuke presidency...

[dorkulon]

65. Yeah, that'll sure show us.

Right. Let McCain stack the courts with anti-gay, sexist judges. Smart move.

[Eurobabe]

66. Would you guys STOP it already?

Just back off and give them some time to heal. They will come around.

I threatened to not vote for Hillary either if she was the nominee, I know it was stupid to behave that way, but passions run deep.

I believe if people would stop pouring salt into wounds, her supporters will see the big picture and vote for the nominee.

:hi:

[Name removed]

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[dorkulon]

68. That's real cute, but someone already mentioned this and I already responded thusly:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6005488&mesg_id=6005745

[Seabiscuit]

71. "honest"? "You'd be posting the same message to them, 'honest'"?

The only people I've ever known who think they have to use the word "honest" that way are anything but.

[Name removed]

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[dorkulon]

80. No, I'm speaking directly to you.

You see, I don't see Hillary supporters as some monolithic entity. I don't attribute the statements of a handful of jackasses to the entire group That would be stupid. What I see here is that you are not interested in listening to me or taking me at my word. Your mind is made up; anyone who supports Obama is a liar and a terrible person. So why would I waste my time on you?

Seriously, the word "honest" means I must be lying? Sheesh!

[Seabiscuit]

114. Maybe this will help you:

http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2008/05/11/obama-supporters-do-you-have-any-idea-how-predictable-youve-become-ps-nobodys-buying-your-latest-nicey-poo-ploy/

Or maybe this:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/10/let-me-explain-to-obamazoids-why-we-dont-care-to-hear-from-you/

[dorkulon]

115. Just confirms my prior assessment of you.

That's a whole lot of bile. I can see this is pointless.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

70. There is no point in trying to coddle people who are that selfish.

Let them explain to their daughters why they voted to overturn Roe. Screw 'em. Spend your time trying to convince those who can be convinced. Anybody Democrat who considers voting for McCain a reasonable option is beyond help.

[dorkulon]

72. Well, I am trying to convince those who can be convinced.

I don't see the point in just telling them to eat shit. It might feel good, but it's not productive or helpful. That's just what my point is here.

[indimuse]

75. YOU AND BO ..

should have thought of THAT before YOU started your HATE filled campaign! Racebaiting AND Misogyny...what's next? What a horrible divisive NEW Party! HOPE my ASS!

Obama Says Clinton Is ‘Bush-Cheney Lite’
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and MICHAEL FALCONE
Published: July 27, 2007 July 27, 2007 July 27, 2007 July 27, 2007 July 27, 2007
Senator Barack Obama continued to press his case against Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday, calling her “Bush-Cheney lite,” which prompted her to fire back — on camera — that the escalating dispute with Mr. Obama was “getting kind of silly.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqhAJcHy4a0 BUSH CH LITE
“I’ve been called a lot of things in my life,” Mrs. Clinton said on CNN, “but I’ve never been called George Bush or Dick Cheney, certainly.”

She then took a swipe at Mr. Obama’s campaign theme, which promises a different kind of politics. “Whatever has happened to the politics of hope?” she asked.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response Watch be ashamed! TYT Calles Obama campign THE WORST! RACE BAITING BEGAN WITH OBAMA WATCH ENTIRE CLIP--- NO ESCAPING

TRUTH /PROOF "THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYT NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY????

[Forkboy]

76. You'll live.

Vote McCain if that makes your little ego feel better about yourself. The Dems are going to win, with or without you.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

81. Cry me a fucking river.

I've been called racist by Obama supporters and sexist by Clinton supporters and I'm still going to vote for a Democrat in november BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED IN 2000.

People with arguments like YOURS are why we lost in 2000. You're a neo-Naderite with this shit at this point.

[PVnRT]

84. I really can't wait until you get your granite cookie

Never has one been more deserved than the one to be planted on your profile.

[dorkulon]

85. Frankly, you sound insane.

But hey, if you want a SCOTUS stacked with conservatives for decades, then maybe you should be ashamed.

[kenny blankenship]

77. And not for just 4 or 8 yrs either, but for 20 yrs at least

[DearAbby]

87. ...

[JTFrog]

89. But I don't want any old squirrel! I want a *trained* squirrel!

[Orsino]

91. Two big, big goals of feminism may unfortunately conflict.

I think I can understand people being unwilling to give up on either.

[dorkulon]

93. There's no conflict.

I assume one of the goals you speak of is a woman president. But if Hillary loses the nomination, that goal becomes impossible for the time being. So, in November, there is no conflict. It's not like they can magically make Hillary president by staying home or voting McCain.

[Orsino]

100. Magic is part of what they're hoping for right now...

...and I even share that ideal, though I don't think Clinton is the better candidate. For now, Clinton supporters are running on hope...of something. I heartily sympathize, as far as that goes.

[dorkulon]

102. I just wish it wasn't so angry.

Not blaming either side more; but I don't like what the internet does to conversations. If we were all facing each other in the same room, nobody would talk like these people.

[Orsino]

116. Yeah. And I'm afraid that the highest hope of Clinton supporters...

...(the nomination) now depends on something really awful happening. I think the rules are clear enough that most folks will grudgingly agree on the outcome...but it would feel fairer if we Obama supporters felt some pain, too. I don't know what solution will be equally unfair to all.

[complain jane]

92. I doubt it, but

1. The Republicans' slogan Right to Life™ is nothing more than a hollow marketing ploy just like Sanctity of Marriage™, Family Values™ and other bullshit "brands" they've built to round up votes. I don't believe they have any intention of eliminating one of their precious political footballs by actually ever overturning Roe v. Wade or outlawing gay marriage.

2. I agree with you that there are very valid reasons to vote for whoever the Dem nominee is and I agree with you that it's important. But a lot of people are turned off not because "________ didn't win" but because the board's overrun with hostile, aggressive, obnoxious supporters who seem to assume that the candidate they've chosen is "entitled" to all of our votes and demeaning anyone who dares point this fact out. I'm not saying Obama's base is this way, I'm saying there are plenty of people in Obama's base who are this way. It's disgusting.

If they'd use a little common sense and actually talk about issues and reasons to vote for Obama like you just did, there would be a lot less division here on the board.

I don't understand the logic of the people here who seem to think we "owe" their chosen candidate our votes no matter how badly they're making him look.

Just my two cents.

[dorkulon]

94. Message boards are always teeming with jerks.

Something about the security of being too far away to punch in the face. But doesn't it seem incredibly small-minded to refuse to vote for someone because some of his/her supporters were talking shit on a message board?

And I think your contention that conservative legal positions are just marketing is a dangerous error. McCain himself might be pandering, but he will appoint conservative judges, and they ain't kidding around.

[complain jane]

130. ...

When the message board is overrun by people acting like abrasive Repukes instead of spreading a positive message about their chosen candidate, it turns people off.

I don't really care if anyone finds it "small minded" or juvenile or any of the other adjectives that have been applied to those sick and tired of listening to the arrogant hostility flowing freely around here. It's foolish to not investigate a candidate on your own, and make judgements based on that information. That said, it's just a tiresome pain in the ass to come on here and sift through pages and pages of posts that sound like they were written by people with political road rage.

Jesus Christ is it so hard to talk about the friggen candidate himself and what he's actually going to do instead of berating people for not being "real Democrats... blah blah blah" for not mindlessly pulling a lever because a bunch of obnoxious zealots tells you to?

Party affiliation does not require me to become a sheep. I'll probably vote for Obama. I didn't vote in the primary because I liked Obama, HRC and Edwards.

That doesn't mean the obnoxious bullshit on this board is not going to cost votes, and whether that fact is not to anyone's liking isn't my problem, it's the problem of those perpetrating the obnoxious bullshit and it's the problem of the candidate they represent.

[seaglass]

98. It's also used conveniently by Democrats to get women in line.

We have a RW majority on the SCOTUS right now. We have a President that owes the fundamentalist/pro-life base. Why hasn't Roe v. Wade been overturned?

[dorkulon]

99. Justice Kennedy is unpredictable, and saved Roe in the early 90s.

But still, they upheld the partial birth abortion law last year. And this year they seriously limited women's ability to sue for pay discrimination. They need one more conservative to do it, and they will.

[TexasObserver]

103. Clinton's Coathanger Democrats are really Republicans

If they want to line up with that bunch of Bushies, it's on them.

[anigbrowl]

132. I think so too. Quite a few of the bloggers etc. are very transparent

It'll be real interesting to see what they do in the GE after Clinton capitulates.

[NashVegas]

108. Woof! Woof! Woof! Woof! Woof! Woof!

[dorkulon]

109. Not sure I get this, but I probably shouldn't ask.

I get the cartoon of course. Just not the significance.

[NashVegas]

110. Roe v Wade

Some seem to think that's the equivalent to Pavvy's little bell and that HC supporters are going to come running for it.

[dorkulon]

111. It's just a good argument.

It's real. Period. It could easily happen. I don't see what's Pavlovian about that. It's not a bell, it's actual food for thought. Now go ahead and tell me what a lying fanatic I am.

[NashVegas]

113. I Won't Call You a Lying Fanatic

I'll just tell you it's a poor line of offense for the demo you're trying to hit.

[dorkulon]

117. I guess you've got me pegged as some kind of strategist.

It amazes me how many people around here will accuse you of "working" for the campaign, as if the fate of the nation hangs in the balance of a bunch of swivel-chair jockeys at a political message board. Anyway, the only demographic I'm trying to target is Hillary supporters who will listen to reason. I'm sad to find that, at least here and now, they seem few and far between.

[NashVegas]

118. If You Don't Want People Accusing You Of That

Perhaps you should submit fewer posts that appear to be written as an attempt to persuade.

[dorkulon]

121. Of course I'm trying to persuade.

What else are we here to do? We share information, we comment, we argue. You don't have to be political professional to try to convince people of the rightness of your views. Isn't everyone here trying to persuade others of one thing or another most of the time? What, I'm not insulting enough for you?

[and-justice-for-all]

128. Your absoluely out of your damn mind..

if you do not vote for the nominee or instead vote for McSame! That is just stupidity.

Obama was not my first choice, I will be honest. I am not a huge fan of HRC, but if she was to be on the November ballet she would get my vote.

I was 100% of Edwards, love that guy, but obviously I have to reconcile my difference between the only 2 condidates and I went with Obama. Early on I was split between Obama and HRC, but the reality is if we do not get behind the Dem Candidate in November we are all going to be fucked.

Obama can do, as I am sure HRC could, but the fact is HRC is not going to get the nomination. Would I like to have a women President? Yes, of course I would. But it just is not going to happen this time.

4 MORE YEARS OF BUSHCO seems more appearling to you than having Obama represent you?? That is disgusting and you should have your Democrat statis revoked. Deciding not to vote is just as lethal...

[BlackVelvet04]

131. Seriously...

nice try but no cigar.