Will the Democratic Party Be Democratic? When Hillary Wins the Popular Vote Will Obama Act Like It’s

[indimuse]

Will the Democratic Party Be Democratic? When Hillary Wins the Popular Vote Will Obama Act Like It’s Florida?
By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson
Email: [e-mail]
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net

Hillary Clinton Leads Popular Vote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CZjvEjPlQ&feature=related I challange you to watch what Tweety says about the "pop" vote, before ...

Democrats risk turning their whole party into Florida 2000–or Florida 2008. When does the winner not win? In Florida 2000, the votes were not counted because the conservative majority on the Supreme Court ruled they shouldn’t be counted. Al Gore won the popular majority of votes in the country and likely in Florida. But George W. Bush became president. We know the catastrophe that resulted from this travesty of democracy.


Now it appears that Hillary is headed toward a popular vote majority for the Democratic nomination. Obama and his supporters have tried every gambit, play, tactic, and strategem to prevent this and to obscure and distract the Democratic voters from clearly seeing what’s obviously happening–a triumph of democracy. (((When he says Obama...he is also referring to an ARMY of Harvard Atty's!!!))))))

Obama has been anointed by the media and dynasts of the party–Kennedy, the Daleys, and Hoffa of the Teamsters–but he can’t close the deal.

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The day after Hillary’s huge victory in West Virginia, showing her deep well of support among working and middle class people, and in the border South, Obama tried to take the edge off. He trotted out John Edwards, as if he’s the working class hero. But in his last primary, in South Carolina, Edwards base of support was among those earning more than $200,000. Edwards did not endorse Obama when it might have counted, before North Carolina, Edwards’ own state. Now, his endorsement won’t sway a vote in Kentucky. And we don’t think Obama will be sending Edwards soon as a surrogate to Puerto Rico.





Then Obama applied pressure to NARAL to counter Hillary’s deep support among women, who just keep coming out. Hillary history of courageous work on behalf of women’s rights and women’s right to choose is unparalleled and unquestioned. It was Hillary who led the fight in the Senate against the Bush administration to get the FDA to approve Plan B. But Hillary’s sterling record didn’t give NARAL compromised leadership a pause. After all, these were the people who endorsed Joe Lieberman. So without consulting its affiliates, NARAL’s bosses issued a command from on high–smash Hillary, endorse Obama. But NARAL affiliates revolted and refuse to abide by this undemocratic order. Obama could care less that in trying to putting down Hillary he has destroyed NARAL. It means nothing compared to his ambition. He is leaving a path of wreckage.

Not only is Hillary the winner in seven of the eight big battleground states (except Illinois, Obama’s own), where she polls ahead of John McCain, unlike Obama in key states (Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania), but she also is ahead of critical border states–Arkansas, Missouri, West Virginia, and competitive in Kentucky. Unquestionably, Hillary is the strongest candidate for the Democrats–and as the last primaries take place the Democrats there realize it and believe they must nominate a winner.

The establishment is behind Obama. It’s the establishment versus Hillary. No one is on her side but the people. And they don’t want the people’s voice to be heard.

It’s becoming clear Hillary will be the popular vote winner when the primaries are finished. But she is finding herself in Al Gore’s position–the winner being denied victory. Obama and the establishment are turning the Democratic Party into Florida all over again. It’s hardly a surprise that Obama claims he’s ahead depend on suppressing the 1.7 million votes and delegates of Florida, not to mention Michigan.

Obama uses his media cheerleaders–MSNBC is one big locker-room of loudmouth jock sniffers–to denounce, dismiss and deny that voters actually matter. Forget about counting votes! Forget about people voting!

The Democratic Party is about to face its moment of crisis. Will it be democratic? Will the votes really matter? Will the winner be the winner? If the loser is crowned, nobody should be surprised if he’s a loser. But it’s not too late! The winner can still win, despite all the forces amassed against her.


But, remember, there is only one true measure of winning in a democracy–who has the most votes. The one who doesn’t win a majority and suppresses votes isn’t the winner. He’s the loser, acting in bad faith, denying democracy.

Democracy in the Democratic Party is on the line.

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[indimuse]

2. kickity KICK!

The Writing's On THe Wall!

[sniffa]

29. It's sad you have to kickity KICK! every single one of your threads

Have fun. :hi:

[indimuse]

40. lol!

wow! sniffa does more than :rofl: @ my thread. :hi:

[Radio_Lady]

75. Sniffa, why don't you just leave us alone?

We just happen to feel that there are injustices in this election, just as there were in the last two presidential elections.

Aren't you enough of a Democrat to let us have our say?

Do you have to keep kicking us in the teeth?

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen

PS. God forbid you have to kick your own posts! People put a lot of time into posting, just to have a say. You come along and make some of your own rules.

[sniffa]

86. Sniffa Responds: No

Injustice? :rofl:

Kicking you in the teeth? :rofl:

Making my own rules? :rofl:

[mckeown1128]

116. It's funny to hear Clinton supporters accuse someone of

"making their own rules" lol They don't even get the irony.

[shadowknows69]

88. From your race baiting the other day

I think we know what "injustices" you're angry about.

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[bicentennial_baby]

92. He is free to reply to any thread on DU, as are you

Spare me the persecution complex. Replying to a thread does not equate with kicking anyone in the teeth. A thicker skin, I would recommend.

[Radio_Lady]

95. BB, are you a moderator? All I really want to know is if it is AGAINST the DU rules to kick ...

your own thread. Do you happen to know? If so, let me know.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[bicentennial_baby]

96. You know that I'm not, and you also know that that's not against the rules

And, it's also not against the rules for someone to comment on another's behavior, such as kicking their own thread, as long as they don't personally attack.

But, you know all of that. No need to play clueless with me. :)

[Radio_Lady]

98. Assumptions all. Oh, that's right. If you are a moderator, there a small grey icon by your name.

Sorry, sweetie.

As far as that rule, I've never paid much attention to it. So it's just nastiness that allows people to poke a finger at other people who "HAVE" to kick their own thread?

Have a good Sunday tomorrow.

RL

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

37. like Hillary, you have to recommend your own self (kicking your own thread)

hah!

[Radio_Lady]

82. People are sick of you, WYVBC. Most of them don't want to even respond to YOUR posts.

Please advise WHERE IN THE RULES IT SAYS YOU CANNOT SELF-KICK A MESSAGE. I'm trying to understand if there is such a rule.

Some self-appointed idiot here, who brought that up after I self-kicked a message two or three times, is on forever IGNORE. That's a good place for her, and it will be for you if you don't mind.

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

87. North Carolina followed the rules and our votes COUNT

and we had a primary.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

89. Oh please don't IGNORE me ( as if I care? Sheesh) But please don't hold your breath & turn blue!

I don't bother with those ignore lists, I really don't give a rats ass if
someone ignores me.

By all means, ignore me all that you want.

I don't live in the "IGNORE" world.

[sniffa]

97. Funny, to see you say people are sick of anyone

:rofl:

[emilyg]

102. I'm sick of you. Honest.

[rodeodance]

109. i am sick of you

[sniffa]

110. It's no wonderder you're sick of me

:hi:

[donheld]

123. I am NOT sick of you

:toast:

[PassingFair]

105. It's not that it's against the RULES....

it's just that it's PATHETIC.

[anonymous171]

3. lol wrong.

[indimuse]

6. I challenged YOU!

did you watch?

[indimuse]

4. kickity KICK!

The Writing's On THe Wall!

[Radio_Lady]

83. Indimuse, I had a hard time reading this paragraph because of color selection.

I hope you don't mind if I reproduce it here WITHOUT font and color selections:

"Then Obama applied pressure to NARAL to counter Hillary’s deep support among women, who just keep coming out. Hillary history of courageous work on behalf of women’s rights and women’s right to choose is unparalleled and unquestioned. It was Hillary who led the fight in the Senate against the Bush administration to get the FDA to approve Plan B. But Hillary’s sterling record didn’t give NARAL compromised leadership a pause. After all, these were the people who endorsed Joe Lieberman. So without consulting its affiliates, NARAL’s bosses issued a command from on high–smash Hillary, endorse Obama. But NARAL affiliates revolted and refuse to abide by this undemocratic order. Obama could care less that in trying to putting down Hillary he has destroyed NARAL. It means nothing compared to his ambition. He is leaving a path of wreckage."

This subject was discussed extensively on "Washington Week in Review" on PBS last night. The thesis is that NARAL wants to follow younger women voters who may be joining the crush to endorse Barack Obama. If so, this could be counted as a political gesture on the part of the organization, enabling NARAL to attract younger people, especially women, to the pro-choice cause.

I did not hear anything on that report about pressure from Barack Obama to make this choice.

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[PM7nj]

7. She's not going to win the popular vote.

[indimuse]

9. yes she will!

YES WE WILL!

[Kittycat]

27. No - because the popular vote excludes legitimate races.

So it's not going to count. Don't support lies, it's far too bush-like.

[Stop Cornyn]

8. If by "be democratic" you mean "ignore all the caucus states," I doubt it.

[indimuse]

11. NOW HERE A SUBJECT!!

CAUCUSES SHOUL BE BANNED! PERIOD!

[Stop Cornyn]

21. Hillary loved them caucuses untill she lost 'em (because they de-emphasize the name-id-based ill-

informed vote)

[newmajority]

22. The CIA should be banned! Period!

Fuck Larry Johnson and the Bush Crime Family he rode in on.

And until the day that every last electro-fraud machine has been completely destroyed, there will be caucuses. So at least SOME states can have a fair vote, not controlled by corporatist pigs.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

28. Funny, Bill didn't have a problem with the caucuses, didn't he explain them to Hillary?

you'd think, given that he's famous for his IQ above 170.

[muryan]

55. ALL THINGS FAVORING OBAMA

SHOULD BE BANNED! PERIOD!

TYPING IN CAPS MAKES MY POINT MORE VALID!

[Pawel K]

81. You're a sad person, what you are doing is absolutely pathetic.

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[quakerboy]

124. And who are you to decide that?

Particularly, who are you to impose your will over the decisions of the states involved?

Perhaps its primaries should be banned, period? Isn't the point of the primary process to let the parties pick their representatives, for the greater public to then pick between? That goal might be better reached by letting the party faithfull who are willing and determined to stand up and particpate do the choosing, rather than just relying on a popularity contest where anyone who fills out a card and checks the (D) box gets an anonymous vote. Thats what the GE is, why duplicate that for internal part matters like primaries?

Or perhaps I should say that the Texas and Pennsylvania Primaries were absolutely unfair to the voters, because many might have had to work that day or were otherwise unable to attend, and we should invalidate all primaries except for Oregon, where we vote by mail and anyone with a stamp can participate.

[mcg]

126. I don't think caucuses are good, but ignore the caucus states?

That's not realistic. Like it or not, that's the way some states play the game.
My understanding is that it's up to them to set the rules in their states.

Me, I'm against McCain. A Democrat winning in November is what matters.
I was for Gore but he didn't run, then I was for Edwards and he was so
far behind he dropped out. So now I'm supporting Obama, but I would
wholeheartedly support Hillary Clinton against McCain.

We all need to see the big picture.

[rateyes]

10. Figures don't lie...

but, liars figure.

She is not ahead in the popular vote, and repeating the lie that she is over and over again will not make it so.

[indimuse]

12. oh, bUT they are...

:hi:

[indimuse]

13. NOT ONE REPLY ABOVE READ A F*CKING THING!!

NO wonder you voting for Barack ....read the fine print>!

[Warren Stupidity]

57. BITCH! BRAV-F*CKING-O!

What does that say about your posts?

Here is what I do: I see that it is another post from you, scan it briefly, note the color code and then amuse myself reading all the wonderful snarks that follow.




You have become a running joke on DU.




p.s. we have read the talking points on this 25 times already.

[dchill]

60. You admit that LC is a jerk, then you want us to READ...

his screed, and THEN you expect us to believe it? Your box of tricks is EMPTY! Hillary is NOT AHEAD in the POPULAR VOTE!!! You can't count just the votes you want to count!

I think that I have actually READ more than you have on this subject. I KNOW I can understand it better.

[AtomicKitten]

14. Two words: DELEGATE COUNT.

Turn the lights off on your way out.

[Gore1FL]

15. The pop vote is a canard

unless you use a modifier to equalize caucus totals.

Even when you don't, Obama leads 593,610.

Of course that also excludes IA, NV, ME, WA which have not released popular vote totals. Then it is more like a 703,832 for Obama.

If you add FL and MI, (with Obama getting no votes in MI, which s in and of itself a canard), Clinton leads by 29,471... But why don;t IA, NV, ME and WA count if FL and MI do? So lets add everyone:

IA, NV, ME, WA estimates + FL and MI votes included -- Obama leads by 80,751. And that STILL discounts caucus states.

So despite the way you want to do the math swaying heavily in Clinton's favor, she still loses the argument.

[DAGDA56]

16. The picture of her under the pundits makes her look like she's running for

Emperor of Japan! Sure, it's irrelevent...but an appropriate response to the OP just the same.

[casus belli]

17. MI won't be seated as is...sorry

And that's the only way the premise will work in Hillary's favor. You can't expect to be taken seriously if you are honestly making an argument that seating MI as is despite Obama having not been on the ballot is a reasonable action.

[cali]

Larry Johnson has spewed racist crap for months

His site is shameful with the racism that runs rampant. He's a stone cold liar. Hillary has not won the popular vote. And all states' delegates have equal value. It's absurd to think that Obama won't win CA, NY, NJ etc.

The pathetic lying rants of Larry Johnson, racist, are not persuasive. I can't wait until Obama clinches it in the next couple of weeks to watch his head explode, and to watch his site start working for McCain. Then at least you Hillfans won't be able to drag his insane shit over here.

She's done, indie, done.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

25. Hillaryis44 and Johnson's site remind me of cointel pro ops

designed to manipulate the week or gullible minded, and also they
seem to be good at stoking the racially motivated.

[indimuse]

38. cali, but I don't see a lie here.

???

[cali]

47. The lie is that she has the popular vote. The bigger lie is that

SDs are obligated in any way, shape or form to vote for the candidate who won the popular vote- particularly when there's no way to accurately calculate it. The facts are that SDs are free to exercise their judgment any way they wish. They don't have to vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates or the most states won, or the biggest states won, or the shortest or tallest.

[Occam Bandage]

72. The lie is that she is leading in the popular vote. She only is if you don't count caucus votes.

[hfojvt]

39. Hopefully we will be democratic.

Because it's not democratic to count an 'election' where only one of the candidates names was on the ballot. Nor is it democratic to count an 'election' that had no campaign when one of the candidates is basically an incumbent. Those are Soviet elections, not American elections.

[Obamaniac]

18. More Clintonian DELUSIONS!

She trails the popular vote by 700,000+ votes. That's something you Clinton supporters have to accept. Period. End. Of. Discussion.

You can't make up the rules as you go along. You can't say that a contest doesn't count and then turn around and say that it does because you got votes and no one else did.

Are you saying that NO ONE in Michigan supports Obama? Why does Clinton not count the projected vote totals from the caucus states where the results were never publicly revealed? So spear me the every vote should count BS. Clinton doesn't believe that either. This is more delusional bellyaching on the part of Clinton and her supporters to justify her losing the race.

She's behind in: states won, delegates allocated and popular vote. Deal with it.

[MannyGoldstein]

19. Wow. Just Wow.

I'll save this to show my grandchildren one day, when they read in history class about how nutty things got during this primary race.

[indimuse]

76. I'll say...

...

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

20. poor Hillary, the victim of world wide conspiracy

poor poor thing.

[SeattleGirl]

23. Gaaaaa! Would you guys make up your minds?

It's the popular vote!

No, wait, it's delegate count!

Oh, oh, just a sec! It's the super delegates!

Nope, nope, it's the math!

Wait! It's the MAP!

:crazy:

[indimuse]

45. probably all the above..

:)

[jenmito]

24. "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything."

[tammywammy]

26. How do you count popular vote in caucus states?

[jenmito]

30. Conveniently, they don't.

[dchill]

33. Ah - see, that's the trick!

You DON'T. Caucus states aren't "in the metric!" Hillary wins!

[Gore1FL]

34. In the cases of IA, NV, ME, and WA The don't. at all

It is OK to leave those out completely and minimize the impact of other caucus states. Just putting FL and MI in the mix is what they are all about. Screw everything else.

[DAGDA56]

41. From what I can tell, they take the total number of votes cast in FL and MI...

...and, actually that's about it...they take the total number of votes cast in FL and MI.

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[neverforget]

32. keep catapulting that propaganda!

[woolldog]

35. What's democratic about not counting the caucus states?

ignoring them? pretending they never voted?

[sellitman]

36. Why do you insist on cheating?

Changing the DNC rules after the fact to suit your candidate is cheating. Not counting the caucus States to suit your candidat is cheating. And you call youself a Dem?

[indimuse]

42. I don't agree with NOT counting caucus states.

I think they are BOGUS though! The math ! Why should Less people = MORE Del's and Votes!??? NOT!

[jenmito]

49. Well, Hillary's math does not include ANY votes for Obama in ANY of the caucus states. Nor does it

include ANY votes for him in MI even though many people WANTED to vote for him. That's why Hillary's math (and yours) is irrelevant and inaccurate.

[Occam Bandage]

68. Right. So, less people, less votes. Why would you further disenfranchise them by not counting them?

[Blue_Roses]

43. wow--you sure are busy this morning using your 3

:eyes:

[tammywammy]

44. Indimuse, I'll ask again: How do you count popular vote in caucus states?

[anonymous171]

46. They don't. Hillary plans on disenfranchising them. Fuck voters in WA!

[tammywammy]

48. I'm waiting to see if Indimuse will reply to me.

[indimuse]

84. Less SHOULD NOT = MORE!

Caucus states don’t have a popular vote. They have a calculated metric based on delegates won and they disenfranchise a large number of the population. They suppress their vote! So, it’s a skewed number to begin with...
The popular vote is based on ACTUAL votes cast by real people...like me in FL, Not a inaccurate, Less SHOULD NOT = MORE!

Hillary has won the popular vote by any measure by ACTUAL ...HARD votes cast for her by REAL people. Inaccurate and Unfair calculations should exist in our elections!

besides THIS!!!!
Betty wrote on Mar 7, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Clinton supporters, please GO TO YOUR CAUCUS SITE EARLY and don't be intimidated by the paid Obama thugs!

The campaign legal hotline has been flooded with calls containing specific accusations of irregularities and voter intimidation against the Obama campaign. This activity is undemocratic, probably illegal, and reflects a wanton disregard for the caucus process.

The three most egregious categories are:

1) Irregularities: Prematurely Taking Precinct Convention Packets by Obama Campaign
2) Voter Intimidation: Lock-out of Clinton caucus goers by Obama Campaign
3) Numerous instances of Obama supporters filing out precinct convention sign-in sheets during the day and submitting them as completed vote totals at caucus. This is expressly against the rules. The sign-in sheets were copied by the Obama campaign from the Texas Democratic Party website and taken by supporters to various polling places to sign-up caucus goers prior to the start of the caucuses

Clinton supporters, please GO TO YOUR CAUCUS SITE EARLY and don't be intimidated by the paid Obama thugs! "






http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/03/04/obama-general-counsel-crashes-clinton-press-call-on-voting-irregularities-in-texas/ OBAMA ATTY CRASHES HIL'S CONFERENCE CALL!!! RUDE!



http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/texas-caucus-fraud/

[tammywammy]

91. If you feel caucuses are so unfair

I suggest that you work hard to get them removed before the 2012 election. But as of now, they count no matter how unfair anyone thinks they are.

You're disenfranchising the people that did get out to caucus by not counting them in this silly "popular vote" tally.

[indimuse]

53. are you talking about a caucus state or a primary/caucus state?

RE;TX?

[tammywammy]

54. Any state that has a caucus. How is the popular vote determined?

[Occam Bandage]

69. How about a caucus-only state like ME, IA, or NV? Why doesn't Hillary count those votes? And why

does she count neither the caucus nor the primary in WA?

[Donna Zen]

50. Will the party be Democratic and honest?

Hey, neither you, Johnson, Clinton or the Democratic Party told my state that our votes wouldn't be counted. Oh sure we followed the rules, but that doesn't seem to mean squat to anyone who supports Hillary Clinton. You see, no where in the rules did it mention that caucus votes didn't matter. In fact, the rules said that we were suppose to elect delegates.

Now this: you and your group really don't care about democracy.

Thanks for letting me know that my vote doesn't matter to you or the Clintons.

[ima_sinnic]

51. she lost. get over it.

:nopity:

[mkultra]

guess she was to dumb to know better than to sign the pledge

agree to not count FL and MI.

[Maribelle]

59. The pledge has nothing at all to do with the popular vote - neither does the DNC

While the DNC has every right to determine if -or- if not delegates will be seated at their convention - - the popular vote is governed by state rules and regulations. In Florida, the popular vote showing Hillary with a record-shattering victory has been certified by The Secretary of State and recorded in the history books. Nothing the DNC, or Obama, or Obama's followers can say or do will alter this fact.

[mkultra]

108. and since she was the only one really participating..

she won. And only because of that reason. An equally hardy fact is that in a primary, the delegate count is what matters, not popular vote. Nothing Hillary or you say can change that, Just like that fact that she already lost.


Denial, not just a river in Egypt.

[Milo_Bloom]

52. She already lost the popular vote. Not enough votes left to catch up.

[Maribelle]

56. Hillary leads in the current popular vote according to the reliable Green Papers: 35,129,208 total

16,729,284 Hillary
16,714,158 Obama


http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml

[cali]

58. lol. reliable to hillbots, but to who else?

Sorry, no one is counting FL or MI at this time. After the RBC meets and decides what to do, the popular vote in those states may or may not be added. The only way to maintain she's ahead is to insist in true Orwellian style that none of the votes casts for uncommitted in that state were intended as votes for Obama. That's patently absurd.

[Maribelle]

61. The State of Florida has sole control over the popular vote in Florida.

Nothing the DNC can say or do will alter this.

[cali]

63. Sorry, the DNC can choose to count that vote or not. That's just the

way it is, and NOTHING the state of FL does can change that.

[Maribelle]

64. Wrong again. Even the governor of Forida has stated this loud and clear.

It seems you do not know what you are talking about.

[cali]

78. LOL. You're the one in darkness, Maribelle

The freakin' repuke guv has zip say in the dem primary rules.

[Occam Bandage]

66. ...which does not count MI uncs, WA, NV, IA, or ME.

[kwenu]

62. In the world in your head, is the Democratic Primary a delegate race or a popular vote?

You need to answer that first before we even begin to discuss the inevitable series of required "ifs" needed in order to make Hillary look like she didn't lose. The explanations are becoming very childish at this point.

[Occam Bandage]

65. She's only ahead in the popular vote if you don't count caucus states or MI uncommitteds.

[VotesForWomen]

67. seems like the dems are determined to lose, so they'll chose O. losing has become the dem self-iden

identity.

[anonymous171]

71. We're determined to follow the rules. Hillary is a weak candidate.

The only reason that she has done half as well is that Bill took over a lot of her campaign. Her husband is the one keeping her in it. People vote for the Clinton, not the Hillary.

[cali]

90. Sorry, Obama will beat the tar out McCain.

[jgraz]

70. What I'd like to know is: where are the other Hillary supporters on this?

I've seen post after post demanding that the Obama supporters give you respect. That we welcome you back to the fold with some sort of Dance of Apology for backing the candidate who actually won.

And yet, when someone puts up another BULLSHIT divisive post taken directly from Hillary's latest scorched-earth talking points, you say NOTHING. Not. One. Thing.


Do you still believe this? If so, you're too dumb to merit our respect.

Do you think we're dumb enough to believe this? If so, you're too arrogant to merit our respect.

Do you just want to push this to hurt Obama? If so, you're too vindictive to merit our respect.

Or...

Are you just unwilling to come out and disagree with a fellow Hillbooster in public? ... in which case you're too cowardly to merit our respect.


Am I missing something here? Is there any reason why the Obama folks should accept the burden of peacemakers while posts like this appear unchallenged?

Not a chance. Not in this reality-based universe.

[newmajority]

119. The Real Hillary supporters want nothing to do with this bottom feeder.

Most of the ones helping it "kickity kick" the thread are the fellow subhumans from the Hillbot HATE sites who were wishing a slow and painful death to Ted Kennedy just this morning.

[anigbrowl]

73. Propaganda BS of the first order

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Larry Johnson is getting paid off by Karl Rove. This is classic psychological warfare, designed to motivate the delusional.

[4_Legs_Good]

74. Party nominee selection is NOT democratic

I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

It's a process by which a PARTY picks it's nominee. It's not an election, it's a selection of who we want to represent us in the Election.

Whatever, though, this is too tiring for me.

David

[cui bono]

77. BULLSHIT

a. The primary is not based on popular vote.

b. Clinton is not ahead in popular vote and never will be since it cannot be determined.

c. The primary is not based on popular vote.

d. Clinton is attempting to disenfranchise all caucus states by bringing up the false popular vote argument.

e. The primary is not based on popular vote.

f. Clinton is the one who is trying to manipulate the rules and make up new ones as she goes.

g. The primary is not based on popular vote.

h. BULLSHIT

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

79. EF.

[BlooInBloo]

80. Pure silliness.

[symbolman]

85. Clinton surges to 112% among Clinton Supporters!!

Obama trails with a dreary 0.0000000% because he's too Big for His Britches!

Clinton supporters Vow to bring back the "Button Hook" citing the inherent unfairness of shoelaces, which have stealthily taken over..

"Vote for Hillary!! Get a Horse!"

:)

No one is listening anymore Indie, because like Clinton you are shitting all over The Truth.. But the best part is, you guys aren't even dangerous, pathetic, sad, and a real shame..

[Czolgosz]

93. If Hillary wins the popular vote, there will be much scientific interest in her time machine.

[NeedleCast]

99. Hehehe

You think states where Hillary signed a pledge saying they would count should count, but you think perfectly legitimate caucus states shouldn't count?

[MethuenProgressive]

100. kickity KICK!

[DemGa]

101. Love it - Go Hillary!!!

[mistertrickster]

103. Sure she wins the popular vote. All you have to do is give her all the votes she "won" in Florida

and Michigan--where Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot--and not count any votes for Obama.

Yeah, that's fair.

:eyes:

[crimsonblue]

104. There is NO such thing as popular vote for the primary..

It does not fucking matter. The rules of the party state that delegates are what matters. You probably didn't know this, but delegates are allotted on previous voting statistics in each state. So the delegates are proportional to the democratic vote from the last couple elections. When you have states holding caucuses, then the voting numbers will naturally be lower. Since you think you can just willy nilly count MI's illegal and invalid election (no Obama, Edwards, on ballot-- not to mention that Hillary said that MI and Fl wouldn't count way back when her nomination was inevitable), then I can just as easily correlate the vote margins in the caucus states to the number of voters in the last elections.. and guess what? Obama blows her the fuck out of the water.. Obama is winning the popular vote (sucks to be them, but the MI and Fl legislatures broke the Democratic party rules and their elections are invalid), the pledged delegates, the superdelegates, and the money. It must be hard to be continually shipping the goalposts to different places..

[MaineDem]

106. Popular vote is a non-entity. It does not exist. It can't be counted.

Period. End of sentence.

Regardless of what either campaign says.

[TBF]

107. So they count votes in FL & Michigan that aren't supposed to count, but they don't count the states

that had caucuses. Next thing you know they'll expand their borders to count everyone in the world and insist that every single person alive cast a vote. But they will only count the votes of hard-working white people, and votes that are cast by non-white people for Hillary. I don't think I've ever seen such a poor loser before and I've been alive over 40 years.

It is time to move on to the GE between McCain and Obama. Enough of this insanity.

[quaker bill]

111. The rules are the rules

Delegates are what counts. Everyone, to include Hillary, agreed to the rules. Harold Ickies on her staff even helped draft them.

Living in FL, I can state without doubt that many did not vote because the primary did not count. No sane and even slightly informed person in FL voted believing that it would count for anything but a beauty contest. The DNC ruling was in the papers and all broadcast media. So was the lawsuit FL Democrats brought and tried against the DNC trying to force its will on them.

There is a provision in the rules that would have allowed out votes to count. It required a concerted effort by the FL Democratic party to comply with the rules. Instead of attempting to comply, FL Democrats voted for the early date and then sued to get the DNC rules overturned. This sort of behavior cannot rationally go unpunished. Political parties have an inherent right to control their nomination process, and so the FL Supreme Court ruled in favor of the DNC position. BTW this is the same Supreme Court that upheld Gore's attempts to get recounts in 2000 and was over ruled by the Bush 5 at SCOTUS.

The Florida results are corrupt and should not count, neither for popular vote nor delegates. By the way, I voted.

If there are to be no rules, then perhaps we can hold the 2012 primary in a few weeks, just pick Hillary and be done with it. Why not? I am sure some here would find this acceptable.

[krawhitham]

112. 1st you can never count Michigan, 2nd WE play by the rules

1st How democratic is it to count a state Obama was not even on the ballot?


2nd We play by the RULES that were set before any voting, we are not REpugs


3rd Thanks I needed another person to ignore

[Seabiscuit]

113. K&R

[madrchsod]

114. larry johnson....that`s a great source

he`s got the insider information on all things obama.....i believe everything larry johnson says about barack...hillary will win in november. obama and his obots are losers who will destroy the democratic party.

please keep linking to larry johnson because he takes no quarters

[RichardRay]

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[onehandle]

117. Yikes. Just yikes. nt

[kid a]

118. The Theater of the Absurd salutes you!!!

[mattclearing]

120. Awww...poor baby...Rezkowatch didn't work out as planned, eh?

Told ya so. Good luck with this one...

[dana_b]

121. I love how the picture of Colbert is thrown in

with Olbermann and the rest. He's "real" news? He's supposed to be "fair and balanced"? People are funny - taking him and Stewart so seriously now that they get upset if these comedians don't play nice with all sides. By the way - I really don't believe that an of these people are fair and balanced, just pointing out the ludicrousness of it all.

[Ioo]

122. Umm, NO, if you recall Gore had Pop Vote... we do not work like that

[Tippy]

127. Larry Johnson ....worked for the CIA from 1989-1993

The same years G.H.W.Bush served as President....

He served in the State Department office of Counter Terrorism

He analyzed terror incidents for several media outlets......AND.....was employed by FOX news as a contributor...

[FogerRox]

128. "Jock sniffers"... LOL.

[apocalypsehow]

129. Senator Obama is the Democratic nominee for President. Get over it. n/t.

[wearethedream]

130. kickazoid!

[apocalypsehow]

131. Welcome back. n/t.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

132. Hi trollazoid! Obama supporter huh?