Obama concedes KY, because Hillary is better known--KY is closer to Arkansas!

[candice]

Obama: "What it says is that I'm not very well known in that part of the country. Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it's not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle."

Get that map out, Barry! Look at the 57 (or is it 59?) states. You live in Illinois. KY borders on Illinois. Do you know where Arkansas is?

But what he says below is politically astute!


Obama: “I think whoever the Democratic is we’re going to have some work to do in a state like Kentucky."

Hillary can win handily. These are the typical voters who decide who becomes president.

Obama continues:

“And there are a lot of voters who get their news from Fox News. Fox has been pumping up rumors about my religious beliefs or my patriotism or what have you since the beginning of the campaign.”


Whoa! Hillary has been soundly trashed by Fox News since its inception, and she has thrived! "That which does not destroy me makes me stronger!" Nietzsche said that. Who has gotten the free pass by the non-Fox mainstream media that is soon to be swooning over Maverick McCain? Better strap your seat belt for the wild ride!

Before you crown yourself as Mission Accomplished without the voters of Florida and Michigan (and the correct delegate count if they were included), at least dedicate yourself to the long, hard fight ahead by "whoever"! Quitters never win.

[rodeodance]

1. ha ha ha. what a joke!!

[davidinalameda]

2. do you honestly think that Hill would beat McCain in Kentucky?

and please be honest

[BlooInBloo]

3. They don't care. As long as Obama loses.

[candice]

8. I don't know...depends on how well he does with his own party...

[Cali_Democrat]

53. Let me help you out here....

Hillary would get absolutely trashed by McCain in Kentucky.

[rodeodance]

4. do you have a link please

[grantcart]

26. funny she doesn't have a link

[Yael]

5. The mind simply boggles trying to read that and think it is rational.

[beezlebum]

6. aw jeez thanks yael

for a minute i thought i had too much to drink with supper.

[candice]

16. Let's buy him a map so he can study up on U.S. geography a bit!

His knowledge of American history is lacking in that he compares his experience as being equivalent to Lincoln and JFK's.

He said that he was conceived as a result of the March on Selma when he was born several years before that march!

[beezlebum]

20. is that like that

sir edmund hillary thing?

[Yael]

24. Pretty much, yeah. She was named for his little known

sniper dodging incident that happened a few years before he climbed Everest.

[Yael]

22. You misunderstood her. She didn't say its about the MAPS rather than the math,

she said it was about the METH.

Time to get yet tweak on!

[Sensitivity]

7. GREAT!! Obama has been alerted to the danger of speculating about the motives of these good folks

who are so determined to vote for Hillary.

[jgraz]

9. Please don't use the Stormfront nickname for Obama.

At least show our likely nominee enough respect to not throw white supremacist taunts at him.

[candice]

12. Barack used the name "Barry" until college, it was his nickname

[Starbucks Anarchist]

17. And ever since then, he's gone by "Barack."

It's his name.

[jgraz]

27. He was also referred to as a "boy" before he went to college.

Want to start calling him that?

[JoFerret]

39. I get the point ...but

just for the record - he actually was a child until then.

[jgraz]

43. So what you're saying is .. you don't really get the point.

Ok, I'll spell it out for you. "Barry" is a dogwhistle to the racists who WANT to call Obama "boy", but know that it would completely expose them to the folks that they've already duped. Instead, they use an infantilizing nickname that effectively does the same thing as "boy" while preserving deniability.

[theHandpuppet]

45. Thanks for the explanation

I didn't know what the "Barry" thing was about and although I'm sure the poster didn't intend to offend, now that you've explained how this nickname could be used in a derogatory way I hope any or all Hillary supporters will refrain from using it.

[Two Americas]

49. good point, and I agree

No more "Barry" folks, please.

[JoFerret]

60. I understand that sweetie

I was merely pointing out that he was actually a boy at one point in his life. In general I think it's best to call people by the names they choose for themselves. So Barack Obama it should be. That goes for Hillary Clinton too. And even John McCain.

[MonkeyFunk]

66. The notion that using "Barrry"

is a sign of a white supremacist is just absurd.

Yes, it's meant to be dismissive - so is "Hilly", "Hilly-poo" and other fine nicknames used regularly here. As is "Willie" or its variants for Bill Clinton. So is calling McCain "Gramps". It's pretty common to do this, and it doesn't indicate racism. Such claims make your side look hysterical.

[Blondbostonian]

31. Bullshit

You're doing that to troll

BTW- In case you forgot...

Hillary will never be President. Ever :)

Have a nice day :)

[TLM]

52. "It's not over until the lady in the pantsuit says it is." - Hillary

So you're OK with it if people call her, the lady in the pantsuit, from now on?

I mean it is a nickname she gave herself.

[LTR]

58. So why do you use it, Candyass?

:eyes:

[babylonsister]

10. Call a whaaambulance! I'm glad he's concentrating on states

he can make a difference in. He won't be spending his money foolishly, unlike some people have done.

[FSogol]

11. "and the correct delegate count if they were included" and if

states my opponent won are not counted. ;-)

[skipos]

13. U R dumb.

Good luck with that.

[candice]

23. No, I know where KY is located and I am not a Senator from Illinois even!

[skipos]

28. Can you count?

Cuz the woman who thankfully won't be our nominee kinda sucks at it.

[tabatha]

14. Another view....

Obama: "What it says is that I'm not very well known in that part of the country. Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it's not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle."

Senator Clinton has been in "nearby" Arkansas longer than Obama has been in "nearby" Illinois.

“And there are a lot of voters who get their news from Fox News. Fox has been pumping up rumors about my religious beliefs or my patriotism or what have you since the beginning of the campaign.”

Obama bashing is more recent than Clinton bashing - which occurred probably too long ago for many people (especially new voters) to remember. I have seen more love for Clinton than Obama in the year 2008.

Obama had nothing to do with what happened in MI and FL.

And if you think seating MI is better than countries that had only one person on the ballot - then that is not democracy.

[candice]

32. Obama refused to have a revote so the voters of MI and FLA could be counted...

...did he think he wouldn't win by a landslide, come on...this is the candidate our own aspirations have been waiting for a change so one hopes he is not sending the message that certain states can't participate in the nomination because their Republican legislatures pushed up the dates. South Carolina did that, too, I believe. It counted.


Yes, we can! Florida will count in the General Election. Yes, it will!

[anonymous171]

34. Hillary refused to let MI's delegates be seated after Obama had agreed to the terms.

[TheDoorbellRang]

36. Catapulting the propaganda, are we?

Do you think if you just keep repeating the crap about Obama not allowing a revote in MI and FL that somehow we'll all just start believing you?

That little "factoid" is utter bullshit, and you know it. You and your ilk are pathetic.

[tabatha]

41. you are incorrect

[rodeodance]

48. You missed the long list of motions Obama's lawyers put out in MI.

[tabatha]

64. Do you have a link?

[TLM]

54. Obama had no say over a revote....

And didn't hillary's own campaign co chair in FL vote against a revote?


I understand Hillary wants a do-over because she's losing, but it doesn't work that way.

She encouraged MI and FL to move their elections forward because she wanted to front load the elections, so everybody else would drop out before most americans had a chance to vote at all.

When they broke the rules, Hillary signed off on the DNC punishment for FL and MI... she only had a problem with it when she started losing.

She's done. Obama isn't wasting any more time or energy on her.

[Thrill]

15. KY and WV are going to stay Red no matter what.

[candice]

18. Just like those small Western states and Southern States...it's Ohio & Florida

...and the swing states that decide.

[cali]

19. hilly abandons Oregon!

queen hilly has abandoned campaigning in Oregon. And sorry hillypoo's goose is cooked. She's done. No matter what the RBC decides. And Murdoch is a hilly pal and Fox News loves her.

[candice]

29. She spent an hour on TV at a town hall meeting in Portland last night...Obama declined to

talk with undecided voters...guess he thought he wouldn't come across very well.

Voting for Cheney's energy bill isn't a winner in Oregon (but don't tell Oregonians...most of them might just watch General Electric/NBC/MSNBC TV).

[cali]

35. sheVcut short her Oregon campaigning. And sorry, if you think

that Obama's Energy bill vote is going to tank him in Oregon, you don't know what you're talking about. hillypoo's little vote to go rampage in Iraq trumps it. I know. I live in what may well be the most environmentally advanced state in the country- we voted for Obama by 21 points.

[MediaBabe]

37. She was here yesterday. Chelsea is in my town today. Why do you lie?

[DemGa]

21. They just don't KNOW ME - and they watch FOX NEWS!! -- Whaaaaaa

This guy you've put on us is a joke!

[anonymous171]

25. Obviously you haven't watched the Rev. Wright channel recently.

They're Hillary's biggest fans now. And his name is Barack, not Barry. Just like Hillary's name is not She-bitch-monster-whore.

[CreekDog]

30. don't expect an enlighted discussion from the OP because she calls him "Barry"

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[ima_sinnic]

38. hey, HillBilly lost! too bad, so sad, loser.

I know you can't wait to get to vote for mcCain (which you would do regardless of who the Democratic nominee was)--meanwhile, get your white supremacist ass over to freeperland and high-five it with the other cretins about what a big "success" Operation KKKaos has been. And don't forget your pots and pans for the "we want hillary or else" blowout by the fake "democrats."

[SoonerPride]

40. Obama will be the nominee.

Thanks for playing.

[lojasmo]

42. Are you Senator Obama's personal friend?

Perhaps you should address him, at the very least, by his fucking given name.

[iwearshoesinky]

44. Arkansas is pretty close to Kentucky

Maybe not as geographically as Illinois but they are both backwards places full of racist pricks. I should know, I live here. Besides, one gets more name recognition from being the wife of a former president than a Senator from a neighboring state. Thinking about it, I cannot name all the senators from neighboring states. I really only know Obama and Byrd off the top of my head but after-all they are important figures. One being our future president and the other 4th in the line of succession to the presidency. This has rambled on but in short it is truly surprising how many people do not keep up with the news. Sure someone may have heard about Obama and talked about him but they quickly forget more so than someone who shares a last name with a fairly popular former president.

[ruby slippers]

47. they are all too busy hunting and clinging to their "guns" perhaps or

do they not get antenna signals of the news for the TV's in the hills?

All I know about Kentucky I learned from American Idol....(Idol Gives Back)

Sorry, I'm sorry....it's just late!

[scheming daemons]

46. "These are the typical voters who decide who becomes president."

EVERY VOTER EQUALLY decides who becomes president, you elitist ignorant prick.

[BenDavid]

50. This should make folks begin to wonder about this man. Why is it

he cannot win states this late in the game? What is it about obama that are making folks take a second and third look. Oh obama might win the caucus in several states that are left, but as usual it is easier for a college age kid of 18, 29 20 year old to sit for hours on end then for middle age and older folks.

There are only 5 months 2 weeks and days and obama who you all say is the frontrunner or the nominee already, it seems he cannot win key states or swing states.

[candice]

55. The caucuses were gamed...friends could just sign and not even attend...

...in the past, the caucuses were more party regulars, and caucuses weren't exploited the way that the Obama campaign did this time around.

A change....

[candice]

56. How to Game the Democratic Caucus System:

1. Round up as many supporters as possible; it doesn't matter how old they are (15, 16, 17, it's all good); it doesn't matter whether they live in the State or a particular district, or whether they are registered Democrats, Republicans, or unregistered voters (in most cases same day registration and re-registration is permitted, and there will be no way to verify eligibility until it's too late).

2. Bus those supporters to the caucus minutes before the sign in period ends. The crowd will overwhelm the workers so most of your supporters won't have to sign in at all. Confusion is your friend. For those supporters who do sign in, there is usually no ID requirement. New and re-registrants can scribble their names and addresses if anonymity is preferred.

3. The "crush" will serve the dual purpose of creating confusion and extending the length of the caucus. The longer the caucus, the greater the odds that your Opponent's supporters will leave due to familial or employment obligations, or medical needs. The elderly are particularly prone to leave early, especially if there is no seating available and they have to stand in line for hours, which is usually the case.

4. In this same vein, extend the speech making portion of the caucus as long as possible.

5. Employ peer pressure. Remember, the elderly are especially good targets.

6. Make sure to tell your supporters to "caucus" near the door, that way any late comers can join in when no one is looking.
7. Be creative with your hand count; since it's an on-your-honor system, it doesn't matter if you pad your numbers because no one will know.

8. If you are in a State where the vote is taken by sign in sheets (like Texas), download the forms from the State Democratic Party website early and have supporters who can't attend the caucuses "sign in". Then slip the sign in sheets into the pile when they are collected at the caucus – there will be confusion so no one will know. Also, tell your supporters to "sign in" on multiple sheets, that way they can "vote" more than once.

9. If the caucuses follow primary voting, get supporters to serve as election judges or poll watchers, or otherwise stand outside the polling doors and tell your Opponent's supporters that there isn't going to be a caucus tonight.
10. Once the caucus begins, get a supporter elected Caucus Chair, if possible, and close delegate nominations before your Opponent's supporters can agree on delegates to nominate.

11. If the precinct heavily favors your Opponent, have a supporter pose as a supporter of your Opponent and run for Chair/Secretary. Also have them run for delegate - they can change their presidential preference later. If your supporter is elected Chair/Secretary, have him/her hold off sending the results to the County Chair as long as possible – and if your Opponent's delegate lists get "lost" all the better.

12. Following the caucuses, have your supporters call your Opponent's delegates (they can get the lists from the county chairs), and tell them they have been replaced by another delegate and don't need to come. Have them call your Opponent's alternates and tell them the delegate slots have been filled and there won't be room for alternates to attend. A follow up call telling them that the Convention has been cancelled or rescheduled wouldn't hurt either.

13. Tell your supporters to go to the county convention "in mass" even if they're not delegates or alternates. The more people, the longer the lines, and the greater the confusion.

14. If your Opponent's delegates and alternates don't show, your alternates will be able to step into the open delegate slots. If you don't have any available alternates, anyone will do (in most cases no one will know).

15. If there is sufficient confusion, your supporters may also be able to pose as delegates in precincts where your candidate didn't win delegates. Or, they may be able to pose as supporters of and be elected delegates for your Opponent - they can change their preference later.

16. Where state delegates are apportioned by caucus votes, your supporters can out smart your Opponent's supporters even when they are out numbered. Train your supporters to get your Opponent's delegates to vote first. If they split their votes among multiple nominees, your supporters can "team vote" in one of their delegates. If your opponent's delegates cast all their votes for one nominee, your delegates can pick up alternate slots with as little as one vote.

17. Getting control of the county convention is key. Your supporters should get themselves appointed to the credentials committee, rules committee, or better yet, chair, etc. Have them hide their presidential preference or pose as your Opponent's supporters so they can maximize coverage. Control of the convention will permit creative application of the rules to maximize delegate counts.

18. The longer the convention, the more open delegate seats you will be able to pick up if your Opponent's delegates leave. It is particularly effective if the convention runs past midnight, especially if sign in commences at 10am. Plan to have a second shift of supporters come who can take delegates' seats if they have to leave. In many cases, delegates will have tags they can easily remove and give to replacements so no one will know.

19. The same strategies apply to the state level conventions, remember, confusion will be your friend.

20. Don't be concerned with after-the-fact verification of voter/delegate eligibility. In most cases the results will stand even if a voter/delegate is disqualified since the vote counts are more often than not by hand, and thus, it will be impossible to determine how any one voter/delegate voted. Further, as a practical matter, it's not likely that voter eligibility verification will ever be conducted. The Democratic Party does not want the public to know how vulnerable and corrupt the caucuses are. The Party believes that caucuses are party builders. If word were to get out that the caucuses are corrupt, it might undermine that goal, not to mention the integrity of the entire Democratic Nomination process. So, mums the word.

[Major Hogwash]

62. Cry me a river, Hillary lost and she has been in the party for over 20 years!

Too fucking bad!

[NoodleyAppendage]

51. Quitters never win...but assholes like yourself never GET A CLUE. It's time to move on. n/t

J

[Gore1FL]

57. Doesn't matter If she doesn't win by 40%+

KY puts him over the top in pledged delegates. The rest of the contests just makes it less SD's he'll need.

[SoCalDem]

59. Map!

Minimal map..notice the states I did NOT include
and I "gave" NH to McCain


If Barr & Paul stay in, I can envision this one...if he chooses Janet Napolitano as a runningmate:


With Barr & Paul..no Napolitano (NH counts for 4..give or take) :


Hillie's map:
(cannot count on many African American votes, or younger-newer people's votes)

[Major Hogwash]

61. Hillary was on Faux News - O'Really interviewed her and they got along swimmingly.

Which is why her campaign is drowning.

[RBInMaine]

63. Right now it's about demographics. Also, your candidate has LOST fair and square. GET OVER IT !

[Texas Hill Country]

65. that is funny as hell!

[iamthebandfanman]

67. 1/3 of the people who will vote in the KY primary

are racists.

i know because i hafta listen to the intolerence every day.

[Alexander]

68. He's from Chicago, in northern Illinois - this is the dumbest OP ever.

Get a map. Little Rock and Fayetteville (where the Clintons are from) are both far closer to Kentucky than Chicago.

[TheDoorbellRang]

69. Um, Arkansas IS nearby Kentucky. It just doesn't touch it

So do you really think Kentucky is more like Illinois than Arkansas? You need to get out of California more.

[Occam Bandage]

70. Picture Arkansas. Picture Kentucky. Picture Chicago. Which of these three is least like the others?