Hillary Was Mobbed at Kentucky's Maifest!

[susankh4]

In a good way, that is. It was like trying to take photos of a rock star!

Tween girls were everywhere, singing "Hillary.... Hilllllarrrrry...." as if they were dancing around a Maypole. They were clearly very excited to have seen her "live."

A few teenage boys wearing Obama stickers infiltrated the crowd. They were respectful. Mostly there with their Hillary supporting parents.

It was a fabulous evening for our Madame President! Here are a few of the pics I was able to shoot:

[frogcycle]

1. good for her

she is clearly in the "understudy" role now, and it is good for her and for the party to see some positive vibes.

I hope to hell this is not because of anti-Obama sentiment in Ky, but, rather, a validation of the claim that "we have two good candidates"

We need this sort of thing to put all the acrimony to rest and get on with winning the GE.

[susankh4]

4. No mention whatsoever of Obama.

No acrimony to be seen.

Maifest is a wine and beer drinking fest, modeled on an old German custom. It is jovial. Folks are there to have fun.

Very strong Clinton presence was everywhere. Several visibility stations selling buttons and t-shirts. Folks were buying too.

I saw three Obama stickers, on boys around 14 years of age. That was it.

Everyone was respectful.

[mkultra]

49. this campaign needs alot more friendly disagreement.

glad to hear it went well.

[K Gardner]

87. I'm honestly glad to hear Hillary had a good day in KY. She deserves to have a bit of fun.. I know

it is a difficult time for her.

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[juajen]

156. Hey pal, remember this attitude of yours if ya'll need the Hillary

vote and don't understand why it's just not there.

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[mkultra]

219. we need crazys like you like we need more hillary

[Hoof Hearted]

175. Your total and complete lack of sincerity is overwhelming. FAIL.

[K Gardner]

179. Self-delete. Sniffa is right, not worth it. You don't want an olive branch, you won't

get offered one ever again.

[sniffa]

183. That one's not worth it

[iamthebandfanman]

188. come to my Kentucky city, you can get ur fill

of obama yard signs.


us kentuckians love us some famous people tho. we dont get to see them very often.

[Maribelle]

5. The "understudy" role ? Oh please. Hillary is teaching Obama how to campaign ...

not how to hold rock star raves.

If Obama has any hopes whatsoever of winning over Hilary's supporters he will need to follow our gracious lady's lead. Nothing less.

[Blondbostonian]

6. Your post helps things

"Rock star". What's next, cult?

Guess what, Obama supporters are better educated and more successful. We understand more than talking points and use our critical thinking skills in picking a candidate.

I'm not begging for your vote. Ever. Obama ran a better campaign and it will soon be time to start working for the GE. If you want to sit out or vote for McCain, fine. Enjoy watching Roe v Wage being overturned and more soldiers dying in Iraq.

Hillary will never, ever be President. I feel good everytime I type this.

[rodeodance]

9. its not about you!! so very typical of so many Obama supporters.

[hendo]

125. and its not about you either n/t

[Beacool]

178. Ignore the a-holes!!!

He/she is sooooo well educated, it shows.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

208. bingo

[sniffa]

10. ..

:D

[Fredda Weinberg]

11. Successful @ what? I've seen motion, but the wrong direction

Take responsibility for the consequences. It's too late to do anything else.

[frogcycle]

15. and yours just sucks

[JoFerret]

17. This nonsense about "better educated"

In general that usually means more interested in maintaining the status quo. Once that group has their mortgages stabilized, the war in hand and a few other matters sorted I don't imagine they will be up for radical social change of the sort that we actually need.

In truth it is fair to say that no group is for that change in any significant measure. But such change is sure not going to come from those who have the goodies already and who have no vested interested in structural change.

I believe deeply in the importance of education for everyone but I do not believe in the myth that the better educated and more affluent are going to be in the forefront of the "revolution".

[susankh4]

44. I believe deeply in the importance of education for everyone...

but I do not believe in the myth that the better educated and more affluent are going to be in the forefront of the "revolution"."

Amen sister!

It is the working class that can be trusted to stoke real revolution. Always has been. Always will be.

[hendo]

127. you are right

educated start a revolution and are reliant upon the ignorant masses to follow along. A revolution has never succeeded without the ignorant masses lining up to go to battle.

[Two Americas]

159. that is so disrespectful and arrogant

You are demeaning and ridiculing the sacrifices made by so many "nobodies" in the struggle against tyranny and for freedom.

Successful political movements and social progress have always happened when at least a handful of fortunates - those born with intellectual skills, and with the privilege to pursue politics - get off their high horse, put themselves at risk, and humbly contribute their talents and skills to the fight for justice and freedom and a better life for the people. Servants to the people, not masters. Humility and self-sacrifice, not arrogance and contempt and superiority.

On the other hand, seeing the people as merely ignorant masses to be lined up for the purpose of advancing the plans and goals of the more educated or intelligent, is to call for an aristocracy - it is elitist, condescending, and arrogant. It is contradictory to all of the traditional principles and ideals of the Democratic party, and it is the main reason that the people are suspicious of and resistant to us and can be easily swayed to vote Republican.

[hendo]

171. many of the great revolutionaries saw thier followers as ignorant masses n/t

[Tech 9]

187. those "ignorant masses" ARE the great revolutionaries

dumbass

[hendo]

192. not quite, try again

nice personal attack by the way.

Marx, Lenin, Mao, Wollstonecraft, de Beauvoir, Proudhon, Steinem, Gandhi, Adams, Guevara, patrick Henry, Trostsky, the Dalai Lama, Washington.

Yup, all ignorant masses.
:eyes:

a revolution doesn't start without a great mind.

[Tech 9]

203. Sort of the Ayn Rand school of history you've got there

Not to mention that a few of those are not very convincing revolutionaries. Rather than big talk you should try buckling down and reading Marx, Engels, Lenin, Che, or even Proudhon. Or, better yet, read about the "ignorant masses" that inspired them..in the French Revolution..

But honestly, the Dalai Lama is a revolutionary? By that definition so is my Uncle the Konica-Minolta salesman.

Incidentally, did you mean Gerry Adams?

[hendo]

204. eww, not Ayn Rand, can't stand her.

but I have read Marx, Engles, Lenin, Che, and Proudhon extensively. However, each of them had a strong strain of elitism.

As for the Adams, JQ and Sam actually.

And yes, I would put the Dalai Lama in a group with MLK Jr.

[Tech 9]

205. Elitism?

Yeah, there probably is a strain of that but I don't think it matters. Workers of all lands unite, remember? And I'm not particularly arguing mass movements are completely spontaneous or lacking in organizational leadership. But at the same time, the masses ARE the driving force of revolution..name one that defies that fact.

I mean, Lenin did the nearly fucking impossible, but that's not the same thing as the Great Man theory it sounds like you want to apply -- George Sorel sounding bullshit. What Lenin did was build a revolutionary party, the Bolsheviks.

[JoFerret]

131. After all - why upset the apple cart?

Their interests are in piling better apples and tossing the cores to the gutter.

There have of course been many notable exceptions. But they must "betray" their class to do so. And the alliance is often uneasy.

[indimuse]

21. you really believeTHAT? what a ...

The Obama campaign is counting on STUPIDITY of voters and MSM for survival.



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[Blondbostonian]

25. The stupidity of voters?

Hillary's core base is the uneducated 50K or less demographic. In other words, the people who aren't smart enough to think for themselves.

BTW- Donna Brazile is a very successful, educated woman. She's run campaigns. You post on DU- Advantage- Donna.

[Maribelle]

33. Hillary is more educated and far more successful

[movonne]

89. You sound like a child...mind is better than yours...do you get your

kicks coming on her and making stupid statements...

[hendo]

128. than her supporters you mean?

then yes, by far.

[Beacool]

180. Let them talk nonsense.

They can't believe that someone would not vote for their Messiah and feel compelled to piss on every positive Hillary post. Their lack of chivalry and class will be duly noted in November.

[Why Syzygy]

216. I wish I had a gallon of gas for every threat from Hill supporters here.

Aren't you all convinced yet that we are TERRIFIED WHAT YOU MIGHT DO? You hold the button to the bomb.
Is that it? Honestly. Why all the threats? What do you get from that?

I thank Hillary for shaking all the scum to the bottom for all to be aware of. She led the way. The lot of you followed. It's impossible to be nice to you and others like you on this thread. The venom coming from you all is palatable.

[rodeodance]

35. "uneducated" this shows you have not been educated enough to know

what the descriptors are that pollsters to describe segments of the population. Instead of educating yourself --you demean them and in the process come across as a school-yard bully engaging in petty name calling.

You also demean them by saying they can not think for themselves.



"Hillary's core base is the uneducated 50K or less demographic. In other words, the people who aren't smart enough to think for themselves."

[indimuse]

37. GO back to FREEPERVILLE!

Yeah DB is RUNNING BO"S on CNN! Get a clue! Her ass needs to FIRED from BOTH the ROOLZ committe and CNN!

[susankh4]

45. Brazile is a shill.

And how dare you tell rank and file workers that they are stupid.

What party is it that you actually belong to? The Whigs?

[leftofcool]

83. Brazile can not be trusted

ever!

[Blondbostonian]

101. Oh please

I read on here repeatedly...

Obama supporters are drinking the kool-aid. They are a cult. The implication is that we don't think for ourselves.I'm bringing up the cold hard facts. Numbers don't lie. Obama supporters are better educated and more successful.

I'm not calling Clinton suppoters stupid. I'm saying they're MORE likely to understand only talking points and repeat it ad nauseum.

BTW- I'm sick off all the insults on here and the fact people think we need to beg for Clinton supporters votes. No fucking way.

I was prepared to vote for the Democrat in Novemeber. I expect the same from the people on a board called DEMOCRATIC Underground.

Now I need to go and get my latte in my Range Rover.

[Rene]

74. give me stats on any brazile 'successful' campaigns. she's a disaster.

everytime she's on a talk show...she mucks up messages...says all the wrong things. I don't think she benefits Democrats in the least...should be on the other side with her good friend Karl Rove.
She's no role model for anyone.

[rodeodance]

76. I hear she wants to be the DNC chair. Yugga yugga!!

[leftofcool]

85. No shit?

She is about as trustworthy as a head of rotten lettuce

[Hoof Hearted]

147. Actually, I think it's arugula.

Rotten head of arugula. :)

[Beacool]

182. Hear, hear!!!!!!!! n/t

[Straight Shooter]

103. "... the people who aren't smart enough to think for themselves."

Who told you to say that?

[JoFerret]

132. go away.

.

[Two Americas]

167. there is the problem

This is what is holding us back, what sabotages us politically.

Seeing millions of people as "the people who aren't smart enough to think for themselves" is the exact reason that people vote Republican - in resistance to that attitude. They are right to resist that. They are doing a lot more thinking than many of us are, and have a much more intelligent and perceptive view of the arrogant and condescending ones who have seized control of modern liberalism and the party than most of us do.

No political movement can ever be built by those who see the people this way.

[Clark2008]

217. Pssst.... I wouldn't put a dollar amount and call it final.

In the area of the country in which I live, highly educated professionals make far less than 50K.

[mcg]

24. It's not about begging but showing some Democratic unity.

Let me preface by saying that I'm supporting Obama.

I don't think this acrimony helps matters. We need to come together as Democrats to win the GE. Obama will need the support of Clinton supporters. (I'm assuming he will be the candidate.)

Most Clinton supporters are not thinking of sitting it out or voting for McCain. I don't assume that just because someone is supporting Clinton, then it's likely that they are thinking of sitting it out or voting for McCain. If they are, that's not fine. I'm not going to beg, but I will try to persuade if possible, and I won't be antagonistic. It doesn't help.

[Maribelle]

27. Those 'critical thinking skills' you're attempting to sell are truly ...

[Blondbostonian]

105. Your girl lost

Drink some of the snake oil to dull your pain.

[bigtree]

29. I love how folks think college experience automatically equates with intelligence

what an elitist view

[lumpy]

124. If a college education is the criteria for intelligent thinking it

is apparent that the blondeboston bombshell didn't make it through the first semester.

[Beacool]

185. Too true!!!!!!!!!

Besides, who the hell does she think she is???? There are countless Hillary supporters with college degrees. Then they complain when they are called elitist....

[Faygo Kid]

166. Yeah, Rush Limbaugh had three weeks of college, yet he is an intellectual giant.

I really don't have to post a "sarcasm" tag, do I?

[susankh4]

40. Here ya go again with the broad brush

I'll just burn this Master's degree. And my hubby's PhD. I mean... they should have prepared us to vote against Ms. Clinton, but didn't. What use are they?

Here's what our degrees (in nursing and engineering) taught us: to stand strong with the little people. Yep... we know what the world of the so called "egghead" is like. Scrambled. And we ain't buyin.

[LeFleur1]

108. My Husband and I Will Burn Ours, Too

Evidently only those who support Obama are to be considered educated. :)

[Auntie Bush]

140. My husband and I will put ours in a lock box. (along with Gore's SS money)

Might need them in the future when Hillary is president.

What's happened to the Democratic Party that used to be for the working class (now referred to as the uneducated)? That's so elitist!

Notice today Obama was in his shirt sleeves and no jacket...trying to look like a working class guy?

[Two Americas]

168. thanks

I just want to say I really appreciate your posts.

"Stand strong with the little people - yes, Otherwise intellectuals are just useless mouths to feed (always need to get the perspective from the farm into the discussion lol). Being born intellectual gifts and having the privilege to get a higher education does not make us better people than others. There are so many people with other skills and gifts who contribute so much.

I spent much time in West Virginia back 30 years ago or so, visiting the farms and the mines and the sawmills, learning music from the old timers and marveling at the wealth of traditional skills and arts that the people there knew. I have gone back many times to perform and speak. So much that is good has been lost, and so much more is threatened there.

You have gotten to the heart of my reservations about the Obama campaign, and about much of modern liberalism. Not everyone can, or wants to be "educated and successful" according to how we measure that today - clever, self-serving, modernist, aristocratic - and lord it over others.

[theHandpuppet]

43. Wow...

"Guess what, Obama supporters are better educated and more successful."

If some of you Obama supporters out there see no problem in statements like this, then you really don't have a clue what problems await Obama in the GE (should he be the nominee) and just why he's having a problem with the blue collar vote.

Gee, I guess where all those charges of elitism might have arisen?

[MonkeyFunk]

48. supporting Obama doesn't mean you're smarter

than the other people here. An educted person would understand statistics enough to know that.

[Rene]

77. supporting obama just shows you're part of the brainless text messaging crowd.

and they can tighe $5 or $10 dollars per week/month out of your meager earnings.....just like they've done to their churches.

bho can take his preacher-like rhetoric into a church somewhere.....keep it out of our government.

[crimsonblue]

213. are you serious?

So supporting Obama equates one to being a mindless dumbass who is only supporting him because all the cool kids are doing it? Get over yourself, and just accept that your candidate lost, for God's sake.

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[leftofcool]

82. "Obama supporters are better educated and more successful"

Really? Hubby and I both have Ph.D's, We make more than 6 figures a year, own three homes, have raised 4 successful children, do not owe anyone any money, have travelled extensively and can do as we please. We are both Hillary supporters as well as educated and succesful, as are most of our friends.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

94. If They're Better Educated, Then Why Is Your Post So Mindnumbingly Stupid?

Guess you're an outlier?

[wvbygod]

115. Better educated at what?

Finger wagging and smugness? Getting suckered into a cult following and insulting
a good Democrat is not a sign of better education unless playground bullying is your
major. Hillary and her supporters of which I am one do not wish the bad result of McCain
getting elected this November but the Obama are dead set on giving the Republicans another
four years in the Whitehouse.

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[lumpy]

123. Obama has the youth vote

14 year olds

[juajen]

158. Ignorance is no excuse. Congress can prevent a bad candidate

for the Supreme Court from getting by with the majority we should have in both houses. Congress can also refuse to fund the war, which they should have done when we took over congress in the last election.

[woolldog]

181. Can I try?

Hillary will never, ever be President.

You're right, it's fun typing that! :rofl:

[Beacool]

186. Keep it up, just keep up the bullshit.

Keep up trashing Hillary and see how your candidate will get elected without our support.

Hope? Unity? Change?

Nope, just same empty platitudes as any other politician.

[woolldog]

198. I couldn't care less.

Stay home in November because you don't like me or other Obama supporters, I don't care. I'm not going to kiss your a$$ regardless. So find someone else to beg and plead and whine for your vote, since you seem to need that kind of attention. I don't give a damn.

[JTFrog]

12. If Hillary were teaching Obama he'd be over $20M in debt.

Obama doesn't owe you anything except to run the country the way he has promised and to continue his record breaking GOTV and fundraising for the all of the down ticket wins we'll be racking up this November.

Trying to justify your actions by pretending like Obama has done something personal to you by running the best campaign is just beyond stupidity. No one is gonna buy that shit.

You still thinking about voting for McCain over Obama and turning republican? In the midst of this fucking zoo, let me quote Willy Wonka:

No.

Wait.

Stop.

Come back.

[lumpy]

130. Running a good campaign doesn't make anyone qualified

or experienced enough to 'run' the country. It takes more than "running the best campaign". When Obama gains some political experience in foreign policy, governmental economics, Congressinal approval/backing, etc = experience, perhaps he would be more effective in the role of WH leadership. On the job training only works well in th corporate world (sometimes).

[VolcanoJen]

137. Running a winning campaign does, however, allow one to accept the Democratic nomination

So, actually, it does matter.

[lumpy]

155. I didn't say it doesn't matter. The point is that it doesn't

guarantee the best leadership ability. Walter Mondale vs. Ronald Reagan is a fine example. Mondale's presidential campaign was far less than glamorous. He was beaten by the rhetorical blockbuster Ronald Reagan who's handlers staged a glittering campaign and managed to make Mondales presentation look ragged. There is no doubt my mind that Mondale was far better qualified to have had that position. Reagan set the tone for corporate rule in the US.

[VolcanoJen]

160. Well, there's no doubt in my mind that Obama has run a far better campaign...

... *and* is also far better qualified to deliver what the nation needs, right now. And that's a rather poor comparison, but I'll leave it at that.

[frogcycle]

14. I did not mean that disrespectfully

the facts on the ground are what they are. Her only real shot at taking the stage is if something untoward happens. He could falter somehow; he could be proven to have feet of clay. Logic says that then the nominee should be the one with nearly as many fervent supporters, rather than some compromise alternative. If both can be civil and stir up crowds like this, then we can go back to saying we have two great choices.

[Maribelle]

47. I am truly sorry if I misunderstood.

[hokies4ever]

19. We're tired of begging you to vote Dem this fall

It's your children and grandchildren that you'll have to explain your vote to.

[leftofcool]

86. So don't

[rodeodance]

92. fear-mongering is a Rovian tactic to which I do not respond to.

[juajen]

184. Yeah, back at ya!

[merh]

30. Her campaign is truly an example

but it is an example of how to run a losing campaign (her debt is the obvious example).

I would venture to guess that those in her campaign have been studying the Obama campaign tactics in the hopes of correcting their errors and/or on how to run a successful campaign in the future.

[susankh4]

36. They think *they* invented Woodstock

These young whippersnappers.

Bwahahaaaaa....

lots of us Hill supporters were there! We know danged well what getting near enough to photograph a "rock star" is like.

[mkultra]

50. sorry, your arrogance has no effect on your candidates lose.

[Maribelle]

60. Sould we tag your post as 'bafoonery'?

or as a personal attack?

or as both?


Ha ha ha

[mkultra]

65. how about truth

Im wouldn't be surprised if you struggle with that one though

[lumpy]

133. Loss

v

[movonne]

81. Do you really think hillary is teaching Obama how to campaign...Like

who is the nomonee..she didn't learn very well..

[NeedleCast]

196. If Hillary was Teaching Obama how to campaign

He'd be losing.

[Butch350]

197. Oh Pleeeeze...

You're beginning to believe your own BS ;))

[rodeodance]

13. you saying that.

Hillary is the understudy and then talk of unity.

shove it.

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[hendo]

149. honestly

there is absolutely nothing that any obama supporter here can say to get some of the hrc supporters to just lose with grace. Hopefully your candidate will prove to be a more gracefull loser than some of her supporters. Please take note I only said some of you.

[Rene]

57. I regret that Connecticut got away from Hillary and I know that ff I and others

had just gotten out and worked for her more...ir would not have happened. I also regret the backstabbing treatment of Hillary from our CT legislators. I've called them all to express how wrong I feel they are.
Go Hillary....fight to the Convention floor.

and everyone view www.attacktimeline.com to see how sleazy the obama campaign has actually been from the beginning.

[rodeodance]

67. yes. so many obama folk believe he is clean from Attacking Hillary--but

this timeline lays it out.

[sfaprog]

113. That timeline is laughable crap

Seriously, what they consider an "attack" is laughable. Pretty much takes everything off the table except "my opponent is lovely".

[rodeodance]

120. Your post is laughable crap.

[sfaprog]

121. Way to stand up for the validity of your timeline

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

129. YOU are the one saying it is not valid. so PROVE it. YOU made the claim -not me

[sfaprog]

134. I quite clearly told you why this timeline is bullshit

Every word spoken, expect basically compliments, are considered attacks. Ridiculous.

And painting a vitriolic Clinton as the aggrieved party fools no one.

[rodeodance]

136. your silly OPINE is not valid. Bush does the same and I do not believe him either.

[sfaprog]

142. As valid as your own silly "time line" or OPINE. And Bush does wtf?

wtf are you talking about Bush? He makes crazy time lines and you don't believe him either?

[rodeodance]

145. yeah, I am saying you make claims just like Bush does. you are boring me. bye

[existentialist]

2. "perseverance" indeed

"Well, he certainly is determined."

a reluctant Mikhail Gorbachev when pressed to answer what he really thought about President George W. Bush

[rodeodance]

62. You are one SICK poster to come on and

link Hillary to Bush.

She has been a strong Democrat and has devoted her career to its causes.

Your post is disgusting!


edit. change word from like to link

[liberalhistorian]

91. He's my husband (we met on DU) and I assure you

that he is neither sick nor disgusting. He's simply making a point. It doesn't matter who you are or what party you're in, there comes a time when perseverance and determination become a stubborn refusal to acknowledge reality, let go and move on. And she's well past that point. I'm sorry if we're not worshipping the Queen enough for you, but that's the way it is.

[rodeodance]

126. then express your opposition with a bit of decency

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[Maribelle]

98. For some reason, rodeodance, too many in Obama's cult feel the need to trash every Hillary thread

Remember - - they cannot let even one thread go by without plastering their false innuendoes based on totally biased hearsay.

None appear to be able to related firt hand experiences - - unlike our wonderful OP who was there in person and posted her very own pictures.

[rodeodance]

118. well, said. very well said.

[Beacool]

189. Yep, funny how the supposedly educated crowd behaves so rudely.

Like my mother has always said: with class you are born, not made.

:eyes:

[theHandpuppet]

3. Thanks for all the photos!

Hope you had a great time -- wish I could have been there as well. Loved the "Preserverance" poster.

:hi:

[Wetzelbill]

7. I thought it said "robbed"

I had to do a double take, lol. Hillary's awesome though, great pictures.

[rodeodance]

8. A big Rec.

[Sensitivity]

18. Obama has been wise to respect the boundary of Hillary country

[rodeodance]

20. ha ha. Is that your new shallow talking point for Obama not actively

campaigning in KY. weak at best.

[Auntie Bush]

144. If he's so scared to face Kentuckians...how's he going to talk with

terrorists world leaders? He's chicken! He knows he'll lose...just like he knew he's lose in WI and was anxious to have the opportunity to drop out.

[Arugula Latte]

207. The flip side is that Hilly high-tailed it out of Oregon ...Guess she's skeered of the latte sippers

She's chicken! She knows she'll lose! Why can't she win educated white people?

[rodeodance]

210. She had been to Oregon a lot. You can NOT say that O. and KY. !! suck that one up.

[rodeodance]

209. well, he is doing lots of evangelizing literature in KY you know

[Exilednight]

22. I see she lacks originality.....

[Buzz Clik]

31. She'll undoubtedly dedicate serious media time to her own plagiarism.

[theHandpuppet]

53. Are you speaking of the similar styling of the posters?

If so, do you really think the design of the Obama poster is original?

:rofl:

Um... sorry 'bout that... had to gather myself. Either you are very young or aren't that well versed in the art of the poster. Just take it from one of those "less educated" Hillary voters who knows a thing or two about art and design.

Then again, perhaps you were referring to something else entirely, in which case your point of reference escapes me.

[rodeodance]

56. oh I think you...

were spot on.

te he.

[Exilednight]

61. There's a difference between using a style and outright stealing a design. .........

Impressionist use a similar style, but only someone who lacks originality blatantly rips off a design.

[theHandpuppet]

66. I hate to tell you this...

But the same thing could be said about the Obama poster.

:D

[Exilednight]

69. So show me a poster that looks almost exactly like Obama's that was done before hand. It ..........

reminds me of a Warhol, but with distinct differences. Some say it looks like the Che image, although I see a small similarity, I fail to see an outright ripoff.

[theHandpuppet]

84. Show me how Hillary's poster is anything more than similar styling

Because it isn't anything more than that and it's certainly nowhere near "exactly like Obama's". The style itself has been incredibly common since the 60's. Obama's poster is striking and very well done but to deem it so original that anything using similar styling is copying -- well, that's just beyond silly. Sorry. Go back and study up on the concert and advertizing posters of the 60's and you'll find plenty of examples. I don't have the time nor the inclination to tutor you on the art of the poster in a DU thread.

Just call me another of those ignorant, less educated West Virginians who can recognize when a poster and a candidate aren't as original as some may believe.

[Exilednight]

96. Let's see, where to begin .........

The exact same color choice.

Nearly similar striking pose.

Same font.

Now this is where it gets tricky and seperates artist in style and design. Look at a four color Warhol and you will notice shadowing and emphasis on certain facial parts, namely eyes and mouth, but lacks distinction. On the Che poster you will notice a more rough and crude splatter style.

On the Obama poster you will notice an emphasis on facial expression, namely around the cheeks and the cleft between nose and mouth. The shadowing is unique in that it emboldens and highlights those parts of the anatomy that shows he is a serious man with a vision. Narrowed eyes pointing upwards to show his vision, his mouth formed just short of a Mona Lisa smile to show he's serious with lines outlining his mouth to show his wisdom.

You know what? You're right, Hillary's looks nothing like that. She just looks pissed off.

[theHandpuppet]

99. Where's that Buonarroti fellow when you really need him?

"The exact same color choice...."

:wow: Are you color blind?

"Nearly similar striking pose."

Nearly similar head shot? Are we reaching or what? Would you like to see a gazillion other similar striking poses of politicans?

My God... this has to be one of the most ridiculous subthreads in which I've EVER participated on this forum.

:rofl:

[Exilednight]

100. I see you ignore the rest, I thought you said you knew something about art. n/t

[theHandpuppet]

106. It depends on what's worthy of a response

And frankly, it wasn't.

[Exilednight]

109. In other words, you don't know as much about art as you thought you did. n/t

[theHandpuppet]

111. Or maybe you don't know me very well

Or maybe your original complaint really was just as ridiculous and petty as I thought but you simply don't want to admit it. You get to decide.

[Beacool]

191. Geez, you overdosed on the Kool-Aid.

Do you really believe what you wrote???? Talk about cultist........

On the Obama poster you will notice an emphasis on facial expression, namely around the cheeks and the cleft between nose and mouth. The shadowing is unique in that it emboldens and highlights those parts of the anatomy that shows he is a serious man with a vision. Narrowed eyes pointing upwards to show his vision, his mouth formed just short of a Mona Lisa smile to show he's serious with lines outlining his mouth to show his wisdom.

:wow:

[lumpy]

138. Posters from the 30's style. Nothing new.

v Much ado about nothing

[Number23]

212. Artist

Hi Ex, here's a little info on the artist of the Obama poster. Read about him in the Post just yesterday. Apparently he's quite a famous graffiti artist.

(snip) Fairey's artwork follows the style of his predecessors. His Obama posters (and lots of his commercial and fine art work) are reworkings of the techniques of revolutionary propagandists -- the bright colors, bold lettering, geometric simplicity, heroic poses -- the "art with a purpose" created by constructivists in the early Soviet Union, like Alexander Rodchenko and the Stenberg brothers, and by America's own Depression-era Works Projects Administration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/16/AR2008051601017.html

[rodeodance]

71. Your post reminds me how the obama fans claimed the ...

Yes we Can mantra when it really came from the United Farm Workers.

[dbmk]

70. The designs principles are not necessarily original

And the designer himself will admit as much. But the _application_ of it in an american election is relatively uncommon these days I'd say. It is clearly copying the popular Obama posters.

That being said, I don't think it looks like an official Hillary product - just someone that has applied a three color filter in Photoshop.

[theHandpuppet]

95. That particular style has made a resurgence in the past few years

I don't why, particularly, but there seems to be this odd nostalgia for the 70's. Of course, the old concert posters of the 60's and 70's were remarkable works of art.

Like you, I believe this appears to be someone's personal product rather than an official campaign poster, in which case designing the poster to resemble that of Obama's was probably a deliberate play of the visual elements, utilized to make a point. It would be interesting to have the artist comment on its creation and why they chose to create a Hillary poster using the same sort of retro design used in the Obama poster. But you cannot COPY a style. You can incorporate its elements, including certain design elements for any number of reasons. Look at the political posters of the past several decades. They are so much alike if it weren't for the different names on the posters you couldn't tell them apart.

What's old is new again, as the saying goes.

[Beacool]

190. Let the so called "educated" class figure it out.

That's what happens when kids think that they know everything.

:eyes:

[shadowknows69]

23. A May pole is a phallic symbol

Just thought I'd throw that out there for no particular reason.

[susankh4]

32. Queen of the May.

I am a practicing witch and am well aware of the symbolism of the Maypole.

It is also true that the Queen of the May is celebrated at this time.

And it is, in fact, the union of opposites what the May festivals embody ... the coming together that will result in a generous harvest in the fall.

[shadowknows69]

38. Thank you sister

Former practicing Witch here. Just being an imp I am.:evilgrin:

[susankh4]

41. I am seeing a rich G.E. harvest...

with this unity ticket we are weaving about now....

Peace.

[theHandpuppet]

46. Wait a minute...

I thought you were supposed to be one of those less educated Hillary voters! :evilgrin:

[bigtree]

34. It's not some snickering thing. Maypole dancing was a ritual of fertility in SOME countries

mind out of the gutter

[shadowknows69]

39. I know BT, I'm pagan. Just some shenanigans.

[bigtree]

42. cheeky

:spank:

[mkultra]

52. fallic symbols also repesent renewal and life

which is what spring is about. In summary, if you hate penis, your hate life.

Thanks :)

[lumpy]

143. Lots of things are phallic symbols to some people.

Especially those people who are obsessed with what many males are so obsessive about.

[Beacool]

193. Their little bitty appendages?

Just asking...........

:eyes:

[bigtree]

26. great pics!

the good folks of Kentucky have good taste.

Thanks for posting!

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[susankh4]

51. More Photos can be seen here!

http://news.nky.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=AB&Dato=20080517&Kategori=NEWS0103&Lopenr=805170806&Ref=PH

[rodeodance]

54. this is a lovely one -mainly with kids.

http://cmsimg.nky.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Avis=AB&Dato=20080517&Kategori=NEWS0103&Lopenr=805170806&Ref=PH&Item=3&MaxH=320&MaxW=375&Border=1

[rodeodance]

55. and love this hat---she is 'into' the campaign!

http://cmsimg.nky.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Avis=AB&Dato=20080517&Kategori=NEWS0103&Lopenr=805170806&Ref=PH&Item=4&MaxH=320&MaxW=375&Border=1

[theHandpuppet]

59. Hey, I have a hat like that!

Well... it's the same hat but green rather than blue, and I don't have any buttons or feathers on it. Mine has "West Virginia" written across the front with magic marker, so the Bush goons who were hovering around Camp Casey taking pictures of everyone would know exactly where I was from.

Hillary looks great in blue, btw.

[rodeodance]

68. you were at Camp Casey. Wonderful. Hats.....

do tell stories.

yes she looks great in blue--matches her beautiful eyes.

[Beacool]

195. Yes, up close they look the color of Delft porcelain.

Truly beautiful.

[rodeodance]

78. btw.....

handpuppet.

I am so sorry that WV and its people got such a raw deal from so many Obama fans on this board and from the media in general.

Just wanted to say that.

[Beacool]

194. Cool hat!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, why didn't I think of that????? Goodness knows I have plenty of buttons........

[susankh4]

58. The number of little girls that were chanting for Hillary was impressive!

I so enjoyed seeing them!

[theHandpuppet]

64. Kids make the best posters, too

They truly ARE original. The best one I've seen yet was made by a little girl (looked to be about 8 years old) in Martinsburg, WV. I was really sorry I didn't have a camera with me. Hillary would have loved it.

[rodeodance]

75. The long primary benefits the voters in states that.

generally have not had a say. and involves families. It is exciting for them. The pics tell the story.

[lumpy]

146. Exactly, letting folks in EVERY state have their say is

DEMOCRATIC.

[Apollo11]

218. It's heart-warming to see so many folks are still supporting Hillary!

I read somewhere that Barack Obama was not able to find time to campaign in Kentucky.

Sheesh! Talk about courage! :eyes:

[joeprogressive]

63. decent post until you said "madame president"

Give it up, it is over. I would say she ran a good campaign but she didn't. If her campaign were run from the beginning like it has been run the last 3-4 weeks, she might have won. If she hadn't sold her soul to look like a hawk and voted for IWR she would have locked up the nomination before this whole process started. Actions have consequences.

[susankh4]

72. Nah.

You'd have hated the post no matter what I called her.

But... here's the thing, we don't have a nominee yet. No matter how you want to spin that, go ahead. It won't change. Until it changes. Which may be Tuesday, or ... maybe not.

[quantass]

79. ** LAST TIME THEY WILL SEE HILLARY IN THEIR STATE ... even I would go too **

It's more the idea that she is finished and this is these people's last chance to meet Hillary in person for the rest of their lives...i know i would go and meet her...she is finished.

[susankh4]

90. Nah.

She'll be back. As VP. Or in 2012. Either way....

KY knows the Clintons have their best interest at heart.

[ShortnFiery]

139. "their best interest" = The Clintons & their friends who've NOT been thrown under the proverbial BUS

"KY knows the Clintons have their best interest at heart." :(

[JohnnyLib2]

80. Thanks, susankh4.

Your OP represents the hometown folks coming out for their candidate in the best tradition. It touched me as a (non-native) Kentuckian.

In my little Nevada hometown, practically everyone turned out for Clinton, for Obama, for Bill Clinton, etc., with much the same atmosphere. ( OK, they turned out for Ron Paul, too. That's Nevada)

'Tis good to leave the keyboard.....

[susankh4]

93. You are welcome.

Twas a delight to report on such great turnout for Hillary!

[libbygurl]

88. Thanks for this, susan! Love the pics! nt

[Obamaniac]

102. I haven't seen that many old people since the last AARP convention.

nt

[Maribelle]

104. Common cataract symptoms include cloudy, blurry, or foggy vision

[rodeodance]

112. more of the same--demeaning of voters from the Obama crowd.

[jillan]

117. .....a segment of the population that is the most reliable voters....yet has NO interest in Obama.

Me thinks Obama better start figuring out a way to earn their respect.

[Auntie Bush]

153. If Obama supporters on DU don't start showing some respect to Hillary supporters...

they are going to regret it...especially when we lose R vs W. Yes, that was a threat! But I doubt that will happen because they are really slow learners on steroids.

[Ewellian]

119. I looked at the pictures...

Old people? How old are you...8?

[lumpy]

157. Oh damn, I missed it. Got any pictures?How was it ?

v

[Lerkfish]

107. well, good for her: she draws a crowd where there was already a crowd

unless you're going to claim everyone there at the festival was only there to see her.

[slinkerwink]

110. great post!

[VolcanoJen]

114. Not to be a contrarian...

... but there are two sides to every story.

I didn't attend, but several of my friends did, all of whom are Obama supporters and went out of curiousity, and to get a glimpse of an historic presidential candidate! Also, they were in Covington for Maifest anyway. :-) Now, susan mentioned there were a few kids in the crowd with Obama stickers, but the Obama supporters I know said there were plenty of Obama people there, just not "decked out" as such.

I heard that people were disappointed that Senator Clinton only spoke for fifteen minutes, and used much of the time to bash Obama (by suggesting he's not campaigning in Kentucky for a reason... yes, no kidding), and again repeated her claim that she's won the popular vote. I find this kind of stumping to be misleading at best, so I was sorry to hear that.

She did attract a good crowd, but nothing spectacular. Judging from the photos, the crowd filled a city block between 5th and 6th.

Hillary will surely win Kentucky and with big numbers that she can be proud of. But Northern Kentucky is essentially a Cincinnati suburb, and as we all know from the Ohio Primary, Cincinnati remains Obama's most solid area of Ohio support.

Thanks for the great post, susan, and the photos. Glad you were able to make it there, and I offer this post only as an alternate view of Clinton's visit to Maifest. I really wish I could have attended, I'd love to see Senator Clinton up-close!

[Poll_Blind]

122. (2nd picture down)Looks like an aged Galactus is throwing superhero support behind Sen. Clinton!

  I knew that old people shrank but geeze!



PB

[lumpy]

170. Yes, I am approaching 80 and I have shrunk about 2 inches

as you probably will when you hit the 'golden years', those years you have to put up with assholes who think it is cool to denegrate their elders. Do you have the guts to post a picture of yourself, let's say in the Lounge? Then we can judge you on your outstanding looks, Super Mouth. Bet you don't have the guts.

[Poll_Blind]

172. Lumpy, Galactus is a superhero who is about 8 stories tall.

  I'm sure I'll shrink 2 inches by the time I'm 80. Hell, I'll probably shrink 4 because I'm clearly half the man you are.

Cowering in the shadow of your impotent rage,

PB

[lumpy]

173. Firstly, I am not a man. But if I were, perhaps I'd be twice the man

you pretend to be. I just think it is lame to use ageism or a person's personna as a weapon of ridicule; that is the reason for my 'impotent' rage.

[anigbrowl]

135. Gotta love the ripoff Merchants

[rodeodance]

150. you need to read the posts upstream before you spout off and look so foolish.

[publicatlarge]

163. It's easy to posterize images

In image styler:



:)

This technique is not unique.
heh

[fortyfeetunder]

151. Madame President? Of which country?

Just sayin'

[rodeodance]

152. USA

[fortyfeetunder]

200. Not yet- she hasn't been elected!

Madame Senator is the appropriate title.

[whistler162]

201. I prefer....

Madame carpetbagging Senator it is accurate.

[Arugula Latte]

161. Pretending is fun!

Wheeeeee!

[JimGinPA]

174. U. S. of Appalachia

[VolcanoJen]

154. Ummm.....

.... Canceled?

:wtf:

[krawhitham]

162. Nice photos, is that from last night?

Saturday night?

If so they had no more than 200 people according to local news, and a lot were their for the free beer, YES FREE BEER I shit you not. Cincinnati local news were talking about it last night, they went on to say they're were as many reporters and supporters.

[ccharles000]

164. Hillary is wonderful and is loved by many.

[publicatlarge]

165. Hear! Hear! n/t

[lumpy]

177. It is yet to be determined if Obama will continue to be loved by

his fans if he manages to get the WH. If he fails to come through on his political promises and proves to be inept, will that love and respect remain or evaporate like the love and respect some here had for Clinton before this unruly campaign? A gamble on unknowns can lead to either a good or bad marriage or a win or a loss at the casino.

[Beacool]

176. I'm glad for her!!!!

Damn, I want this poster!!




Go Hillary!!!!!!

:bounce:

[Leopolds Ghost]

199. What is Maifest / Mainstrasse Fest? Sounds German.

Is Covington near Cincinnati?

[susankh4]

214. Covington is just across the river from Cincinnati.

And yes, it is a German area... and a German festival.

I arrived late, because traffic was so heavy. I did not hear her speech, and the crowd was already dispersing..... but I still could not get anywhere near Sen. Clinton. Many folks were excited to have seen her live. They were trying to shake her hand or get her autograph.

It was wonderful to walk into such enthusiasm for a Dem. candidate. In these parts, the GOP rules.

Oh, and as for newspaper accounts... never believe them. Not in greater Cincy. The newspapers here are all GOP owned. And we never get fair covereage of any Dem.

[k8conant]

202. Mobbed?? It's reported that 2000 people were there...

not that many at all.

[Prophet 451]

206. What is "Maifest"?

I'm a Brit so maybe this is a US/UK thing?

EDIT: Already explained. I'll learn to read the earlier replies eventually. Sounds like a fun event.

[PretzelWarrior]

211. good LORD. there must be HUNDREDS present

thanks for the info.

[jgraz]

220. Dozens, even

:rofl:

[Jamastiene]

215. Thank you for the pictures.

This is a very nice OP. :thumbsup: