Is the entrenched Hillary supporters really pro-Hillary, or anti-Obama

[dansolo]

It should be clear to anyone paying attention that both of these candidates are qualified to be president, and they are both a thousand times better than electing McCain, who I will go on the record as saying is wholly unqualified to be president. He has demonstrated an ignorance of both the issues and the world situation that seems to rival Bush, if that was even possible.

This Tuesday, Obama will get the majority of pledged delegates. At that point, a lot of the uncommitted superdelegates will endorse him. It is clear which way the wind blows, and that even when FL and MI get seated, their minds will not be changed. Obama has won fairly because of the rules, he has weathered the furious attacks which are very similar to the attacks that the Republicans will try, and he has raised a lot of money, will continue to raise even more, and has demonstrated that he will use all of his resources to help as many down-ticket races as he can. Hillary cannot claim any of that (the fully vetted claim is not true). These are the factors that the superdelegates will use to weigh their decision.

So in light of all that, I am wondering about the people who will not vote for Obama in the general election. At that point, they are anti-Obama, even when they know that it could result in a loss in November. Many seem to claim that they are angry because of his supporters. But Obama is not his supporters. He has gone out of his way to be respectful to Hillary. He never once complained about her attacks (his complaints were about the media), he never once asked her to drop out of the race (he said she can stay in as long as she likes), and he fully acknowledged that he should be subject to more scrutiny because he is the upstart.

In 2004 I was angry because of the treatment that Dean got, and even though I thought that Kerry was a weak candidate, I never once even considered not voting for him as the Democratic nominee. Dean has found a way to still help out the Democratic Party and the country after losing the nomination. I'm sure that Hillary, if she wants, could do the same.

[Colobo]

1. Some of them are both.

[dchill]

2. Some from column A...

some from column B. Two more days.

[dbonds]

3. You need to consider pro-DNC and the neo-liberal agenda.

[LoZoccolo]

4. I think a lot of them belong to a third category.

anti-McClurkin

[roseBudd]

5. I also thought Kerry to be an unelectable choice, Obama having brought so many new voters to the

primary, may just have prevented the democratic primary voting voters from picking the unelectable candidate.

[housewolf]

6. I think many of them started out being very strongly pro-woman president

For many, a dream of thier lifetimes was seen to be fulfilled by a Hillary win. And to them, that dream seemed to be within reach in the early days of the primary when Hillary was perceived to be the "inevitable" candidate.

Then over time, some began to perceive Obama's strong candidacy as denying them their dream, which was more than a personal dream but a dream of a very different sort of country that only a woman could bring. And then sexism crawled out of the cave where it had been hiding and many believe that the media and the Obamah supporters horribly abused Hillary, resulting in her being victimized and in her "mantle of inevitibility" slipping away.

The result being that the loss of their dream plus perceived victimization of Hillary casued many to become Obama-haters.

[Thrill]

7. I don't understand it. He hasn't even run a nasty campaign against Hillary

He could used all that crap the Repukes have used against the Clintons. But he hasn't. I don't understand the anti-Obama crap from her Supporters. Especially when the opponent is McCain. Who may be worst than Bush

[TwilightGardener]

8. I talked to a middle-aged lady yesterday at a party, a sister of my friend. She is a Democrat, but

she told me she'll vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. I asked why, of course, and she said it's because he plans to "side with the Muslims against us"--she insisted that he said that in his book. She also said his whole Presidency would be about advancing Black Power. I tried to politely call her on her ignorance and bullshit, but she was insistent--this is a DEMOCRAT, mind you. Many people, I suspect, are simply not so much Hillary supporters, as Democrats who are looking for any excuse not to vote for the black guy. It was an awkward, tense conversation, until I remembered that you can't fix stupid and I walked away.