14.5 PLEDGED DELEGATES needed for a majority

[Zachstar]

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

This is a topic for Clinton Supporters. I know y'all were looking forward to Hillary Clinton's win in Kentucky... However, You need to be aware that Kentucky is going to be THE state that puts Obama in the category of winner. With a number so low and only getting smaller as pledged delegates switch or state conventions flipping to Obama due to Clinton support not showing up. It becomes almost impossible already for Clinton to regain the lead.

And what about FL and MI you say? Think what you will, but indications are that they have no intention of seating them as is. And instead working on compromise solutions or in the extreme of cutting the delegates in half. Therefore with those added in the number only goes up by a small amount easily surpassed as Obama will not get 15 delegates but closer to 50.

I am not here to gloat I am here to ask you to start considering the idea of unity in the party. To be prepared if Clinton decides to use her Kentucky victory speech to exit the race for office of president.

If Clinton decides not to exit then that is her Choice. However, The time is now to start thinking about unity.

[papau]

1. 2210 is that close? - interesting - too bad we had to kiss off FL and Mich in the general

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Repeating the "2210 delegate" meme gets you automatically labeled a dunce

Really.

[Forkboy]

8. Well, that sums papau up.

[Thrill]

13. Not a chance in hell is Michigan going to vote for a McCain in the GE

Not gonna happen

[WeDidIt]

3. The number is 2025

That's what it has been since Florida and Michigan chose to break the rules when they knew they would end up with no asy in the nomination by doing so.

[Adelante]

4. 2026 nt

[Johnny__Motown]

5. I live in Michigan and believe the Repugs will lose here badly.

[Exilednight]

12. I agree, Florida is a toss up, but Michigan will not go rethug. n/t

[cliffordu]

6. My favorite one trick pony!!

Papau. you know what you just said doesn't hold water, it is in fact a ruse to make some people look disenfranchised. Why does Hillary want to discount my vote to put her over the top?

[kdmorris]

10. What a stupid comment

Suddenly, everyone (who "roots" for Hilary Clinton) wants to include my delegates. There has NEVER been a valid election held to determine my delegates. The "election" that we had in January was NOT valid.

Where the fuck were all you people last November when my STATE Democratic party was screwing all the citizens in Florida? Where was your outrage then? Why did NO ONE stand with us then to fight our state party? Why no help from the candidates then? Hilary Clinton was on the front line then, talking about how we broke the rules and she was ALL FOR THE SANCTIONS THEN.

Now, suddenly, when someone thinks that it might help their candidate, it's so fucking important to "seat them".

You want to seat the delegates from Florida (I won't speak for Michigan since I don't live there)? Then you need to have another VALID election to choose the delegates. The DNC offered to pay for another election and the Florida Democratic Party said "NO, thank you!".

Just because my state party screwed me over does NOT mean that I'm going to run out and vote for McCain. Get your head out of your ass!

[davidinalameda]

14. are your posts fueled by hatred or ignorance

or a combination of the two?

[jefferson_dem]

15. 2210? You might want to get on the horn with Hillary.

She thinks it's 2025.

---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsYnegoV28

[4themind]

24. Can you make that an OP please,some people have to hear it from

her mouth in order to believe almost anything

[Pab Sungenis]

26. That horse has to wake up some time....

[rocktivity]

7. Seating FL and MI as is would be a death sentence for Howard Dean's DNC

and the progressive Dems--for those reasons alone it won't happen.

What probably will happen is the that delegates will be split down the middle. The people of MI and FL deserve to be represented (though they were warned that their votes wouldn't count) because they're the real victims of the moving of the MI/FL primary dates. But since their votes don't count, it wouldn't be fair to seat the delegates in a way that gives either candidate an advantage.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Johnny__Motown]

9. 2025....2210.....anyone for 2117.5?

2025 + 2210 = 4235

Divide that by 2 and you get 2117.5




I am guessing that the Florida and Michigan delegates will be given the 1/2 vote punishment instead of the removal of all the delegates.



My point is that we won't know the exact number until the 31st (at the earliest).


Also it won't matter, Obama is our nominee. Let's all move forward.

[Mezzo]

11. and you need to be aware that a majority is still not 2025 thanks.

[cali]

16. It is until the DNC decides differently. And Obama will have no

problem meeting any new number they come up with. I don't think you folks have grasped how far behind your gal has fallen. NOTHING the RBC does can change that.

[Zachstar]

17. Has the DNC stated otherwise? No it is 2025

Yes that goes up once a compromise is reached but until that day it is 2025. THEREFORE going into May 31st it will be impossible for Clinton to regain the pledged delegate lead.

And even if ALL of both states delegates get Included in the total (That assume a compromise for FL is reached which is unlikely) . Obama's delegates will still be enough to make it so that it will be impossible for Clinton to catch up.

It is Over. Have fun Tuesday but afterward I do ask that you start switching to GE mode.

[rug]

18. Majority of what?

[Zachstar]

19. Delegates

After he reaches that number it becomes impossible for Clinton to win enough delegates to regain the lead even if she wins upcoming states by 100 percent.

[rug]

20. Wrong. It's simply a majority of pledged delegates.

Besides, I thought it was impossible for the last 3 months.

[Zachstar]

21. Politically Impossible yes But now it will be Impossible by Math

On the morning of the 21st there will be only 85 pledged delegates left. THEREFORE Clinton has to have Obama's lead down under 85 to have a chance.

[rug]

22. Your math is based on politics.

On the morning of the 21st he will still be short a mathematical majority of all delegates required to nominate.

Your statement is an expectation of a political choice, not mathematics.

[Zachstar]

23. What?

If Obama's lead is 125 (Just a random lead number if Clinton wins BIG BIG BIG in Kentucky and Wears Obamas lead in Oregon down very far) and there is 85 delegates remaining then how is that not math?

125 - 85 = 40 delegates short of the lead IF Clinton wins...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico_Democratic_primary%2C_2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Democratic_primary%2C_2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_Democratic_primary%2C_2008

By 100 percent..

Clinton is LOSING delegates and Superdelegates How does anyone expect Clinton to regain them at the Convention?

[Zachstar]

25. Kick