Does anyone still care about the people Hillary owes money ?

[Johnny__Motown]

A few weeks ago people cared about all the little people who needed the money that the Clinton campaign had not payed.

Now that we know she is over 9 million in debt (not counting the 11 million she owes herself) if seems to have become a non issue.


Do we think that Obama will end up paying the debts? Do we just not care about the little people anymore? Was this all just a political attack and nobody ever cared about the people not being payed by the Clinton campaign?


I'm confused (again) and a bit disappointed.

[havocmom]

1. Did her paid staff get their insurance paid? That was a question for a while

and then off the news it went. Hope they are all still covered. Does anybody know?

[Johnny__Motown]

3. I don't know either, but you see my point

[dansolo]

2. Why don't you ask the Hillary campaign (and supporters) about that?

Yes I still care, but Hillary can't work on settling those debts while she is still actively campaigning. She is spending more than she is getting in contributions. That is part of the reason that people are appealing her to at the very least suspend her campaign. If she would stop getting herself even further into debt, than maybe she could start focusing on repaying all the people that she owes.

[Johnny__Motown]

4. I am asking everyone.. also I want to know if it was just a political attack from Obama supporters

or if we still care about this.

[4themind]

8. I think the answer is most likely that

"Some" of us care while "some" of us may have just used it as a political attack, I really don't know what the relative ratio's are on here between the two, although if you want to get a better gauge on that you should probably put up a poll asking those questions (although you wouldn't be able to permit only obama supporters to vote). I for one do hope that those small vendors get paid...as for Mark Penn, well..not so much but I'm sure he'll get his money one way or the other so I'm not as worried about him

[Exilednight]

21. Personally I don't care if Hillary ever recoups HER money, but I hope .......

the small companies and vendors do get paid. I wouldn't be upset if Obama made a deal where he paid campaign debt, minus 11 million, and made sure all those vendors got paid.

[Diane R]

5. How can we trust Hillary to 'fight' for the little people, when she won't pay them what she owes?

[sellitman]

6. She is still spending money today as I type this.

The better question is:

Does she care?

[DJ13]

7. No. Since Hillary wanted to run like a Republican she can ....

....pull herself up by the bootstraps and face her responsibilities just like the Republicans always say everyone else is capable of doing.

Im tired of the wealthy crying for help when they screw up, but never wanting to help those who really need it.

[apocalypsehow]

9. Her and her supporters boundless sense of entitlement never ceases to appall decent people.

My guess is that if she can't get the Obama campaign to settle her debts, she'll just walk away from them. After all, Queens aren't supposed to be bothered by such trifles, are they?

[Poll_Blind]

10. Obama isn't going to "pay" for her anything. It's against the law. The most..

...he can do is help do joint funraising to help her pay off her debts. Despite the popular meme that was floated a few weeks ago, he can't legally pay off her debts from his GE fund.

  Oh, though, before I get too off track: She's probably going to fuck over most of the people she owes money to. But not Mark Penn, of course, he's got good lawyers and she knows it.

PB

[juno jones]

11. dupe

[juno jones]

12. Talking at work the other day

and wound up (strangely enough, we almost never do) talking politics, especially about the amout that Hillary owes. I think I brought the point home well when I gestured at the restaurant around me and said, 'These are the kind of places she owes. The small reaturants, donut shops, grocery stores that catered her events. These are the people complaining of lack of payment.' It might have hit home. My fellow cooks became big-eyed and momentarily silent.

It of course doesn't hurt that the owner of our restaurant washes dishes along side of us over 12 hours a day. The thought of him- and by exstention other small-time bosses who work hard and have mouths and employees to feed- theoretically losing a even a few hundred galls us. We follow the restaurants buisness daily. We know how much and how little comes in.

Blue collar vote, my ass.

[havocmom]

23. Excellent post!

Great illustration to bring the point home.

[juno jones]

26. Thanks!

Love your sig line! :hi:

[AtomicKitten]

13. Heads up. Last report indicates she is $20 million in debt .... and counting.

She has stiffed colleges and vendors across the country.

What part of that debt do you think we don't care about?

[dchill]

14. Hillary is a multi-millionaire who cares about people,

right? Does she "not care about the little people anymore?" Don't be confused. If you're "disappointed", at least aim it at the right candidate. Concern trolldom is so unseemly.

[mamalone]

15. Most definitely!

I care very much and I am sure that I am not alone. My feeling however is that, until she exits the campaign they are her responsibility and she must bear the consequences of running such an irresponsible operation. That big glaring red debt is a very concrete example of her poor management skills. Concrete examples of this type of thing are few and far between, so as long as she is actively seeking the White House I think she needs to remain unaided in addressing this debt.

Of course, all the "little people" who haven't been paid are daily bearing the consequences as well... I am a single mom who lives week to week- I know what a tremendous strain it is when a check is late, and the anxiety of wondering if it will ever come through. I would hope that once she finally does cease her campaign, there will be provisions made to assist her in partially retiring this debt. The idea of joint fundraisers with Obama, etc have been suggested and I think that sort of thing would be a good option. The money needs to raised in such a way that contributors are aware of and agreeable to their money being used for this purpose. Unfortunately, the party does need to deal with Hillary's debt problem because it reflects very poorly on the party as a whole. Not fair, but true.

[Youphemism]

16. You're not being fair...

All she needs to do is -- by my guesstimate -- get about 350,000 more kids to donate their bikes to her campaign. If she can get a decent fair market value, she'll have paid herself back that $11 million.

From there, it's just a hop, skip, and a jump to being able to pay off the people she owes money to.

[davsand]

17. Those businesses and their employees care.

Especially if these are food vendors/caterers that are owed money. Times are tough right now in the food industry and getting screwed out of a substantial amount of money could close the doors to that business. Not only does it cost the owner, but it costs employees jobs.

I have to admit that I wonder if Hill really is viewing this campaign as her "swan song" in politics. It would seem to me that most any politician would rather die than publicly be viewed as a deadbeat.


:shrug:



Laura

[Buck Rabbit]

18. I think about it as I watch the flood of Hillary TV ads here in Oregon.

In the last week or so it "feels" to me like Hillary is outspending Obama on TV. Bill and Chelsea are separately traveling non-stop all over the state.

They are asking for votes not money, which I find surprising. I thought she would try to raise money to pay the debts while campaigning on the cheap. The opposite has happened.

The other problem with this strategy is it is kind of dumping money down the toilet because a huge percent of Oregonians have already voted. All of my family voted last week or earlier. The only reason I voted last week instead of two weeks ago is the the choice for Senate nominee to run against Gordon Packwood Smith is a tough one.

[Beregond2]

19. Uh, it's not our job to worry

about Hillary's debts. It's her job. Frankly, if people are stupid enough to not ask for advance payment from a deadbeat, that's their problem, as far as I'm concerned.

[havocmom]

22. It's our job AS VOTERS to learn as much as we can about how candidates do business

If more had done some looking into bush and his real business practices as opposed to the PR about it all, the SOB would never have been close enough in the polls for them to steal the election. Hell, he probably would not have been the GOP nominee in 2000 if media/press had done some real reporting and the voters had done some serious thinking about reality v PR.

[rainbow4321]

20. They don't...because the MSM has yet to utter the words "FEC debt list"

How many months now have we all here waited for the 20th of each month for the FEC lists to be released. And each time HRC IOU list got worse and worse. Small businesses were on it; school districts, sign language interpretors, YMCA, universities, Boys and Girls Clubs...the list was never ending. Yet Penn got his $2 mil check each month.

The $500,000 owed for health insurance premiums (owed to Blue Cross/Shield and Aetna) looked more like a back door way of her taking donations from the health insurance industry...just let the bill go unpaid and keep a rolling tab. I noticed the last time around THAT part was paid off (only after it spread around the 'Net that the candidate fighting for mandatory payroll deductions for health insurance was NOT paying her OWN premiums).

Yet NO one in the MSM bothered to put the damn list up on the screen and pick it apart. None of them asked "if she cannot handle THIS budget, how the HELL can we trust her with the country's??" All we get is "Obama outspent her again, how dare he!"

So here we are again, a few days away from HRC's monthly FEC debt list.
We'll wait til **midnight** on the 20th cuz that is when her's gets posted each month. But, no doubt, it will be overshadowed by her WV "win" in the media for the rest of the week.

[backscatter712]

24. She can loan her campaign money to pay off the small creditors.

If she really gave a shit about the working class, she'd do that, so any debt the campaign still had would be owed to her, and she'd eat the loss alone.

[StevieM]

25. I'm sure that when the campaign ends the only person who will still be owed money is Mark Penn (eom)