Hillary and surrogates now insinuating that Obama is to blame for sexism during the campaign

[ProSense]

From Hillary supporter Maria Cocco's article Misogyny I Won't Miss:

I will not miss the deafening, depressing silence of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean or other leading Democrats, who to my knowledge (with the exception of Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland) haven't publicly uttered a word of outrage at the unrelenting, sex-based hate that has been hurled at a former first lady and two-term senator from New York. Among those holding their tongues are hundreds of Democrats for whom Clinton has campaigned and raised millions of dollars. Don Imus endured more public ire from the political class when he insulted the Rutgers University women's basketball team.

Would the silence prevail if Obama's likeness were put on a tap-dancing doll that was sold at airports? Would the media figures who dole out precious face time to these politicians be such pals if they'd compared Obama with a character in a blaxploitation film? And how would crude references to Obama's sex organs play?

There is a You Tube video circulating that seems to imply that if Hillary isn't the nominee, misogyny will continue.

Better messaging please

By Libby

Man, I really don't want to step into this but it just really bothers me. Yes, the blatant sexism in this Youtube is horrible. It's unfair, but so is the central message the video seems to be conveying, at least to me.

I'm hearing that I should be blaming Obama for not solving sexism. That he is unfit for office because he's failed to stand up against it strongly enough. But it uses mainly statements from surrogates, pundits and right wingers. The couple of direct statements by Obama were badly worded but Hillary has made equally awkward statements about him. Maybe I don't get around enough but I have yet to see those acknowledged by the heavily invested Clinton supporters nor have I seen the invested Obama supporters creating similar videos complaining about them.

And yes the graphics are especially disgusting but I've seen the same and similar ones circulating on right wing blogs for years before the primaries ever started. That's not Obama's fault. Further, even as the video decries these horribly unfair images, they use equally unfair images of Obama. There are thousands of photos of them out there and they deliberately chose the one with Obama looking disdainful. Isn't that still playing the equally bogus elitist card?

Sorry, this doesn't look so much like a defense of women or a outcry against sexism as much as it looks like a hit piece on Obama to me. I don't see what it hopes to accomplish. I loathe sexism and spent the greater part of my life trying to push back against it. But it seems to me if you want to demand fairness, you have to play fair yourself. This video didn't leave me feeling sympathetic -- just irritated -- and I support the feminist cause, however imperfectly.

Whoever made this video should take the advice Hillary gives at the end of the speech. Move beyond rhetoric, move beyond recognition of problems to working together to build the common effort to have the common ground we hope to see.

In a chat with bloggers, listen to Hillary in http://www.taylormarsh.com/podcast/mp3/stream.2008-05-16.134204.mp3">her own words going on about how she would win the GE, how she's leading in the popular vote (lie), blaming the media and claiming that Obama is refusing to debate her.

Debate her? She lost!

The source of the audio is none other than Taylor Marsh, who also cross posts at Larry Johnson's site and vice versa.

Why do some of Hillary's supporters continue to treat every endorsement as "betrayal"?

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Obama has excellent supporters such as John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, who is responsible for S-CHIP, and John Conyers:

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Hillary is not losing because of sexism.

Why would a feminist vote for Obama?

By Ruth Rosen - February 5, 2008

Some people are stunned that I have already voted for Barack Obama and that I signed a "Feminists for Obama" statement which now includes over a thousand rather distinguished names. They know I've been involved in the women's movement since 1967 and have spent my life teaching and writing about the history of women and gender ever since. So why, they ask, didn't I cast a vote for Hillary Clinton?

Am I filled with self-hatred as a woman? No. In fact, there is nothing I'd rather do than vote for the first female presidential candidate. I still remember hearing--on a remote Greek island--that the Democratic party had chosen Geraldine Ferraro as a vice-presidential candidate. To my great surprise, tears flooded my face.

So why haven't I cast this historic vote?

The reasons are not all that complicated. Before I was a feminist, I worked in the civil rights and anti-war movements. Supporting Obama fits those life-long commitments. In my opinion, both Democratic hopefuls are able, smart, qualified candidates. But here are my concerns about Hillary Clinton. She talks about the poor, yet when Congress addressed the re authorization of TANF, which replaced welfare, most Democrats wanted to keep the 30 hour limit for working mothers so that they could use the rest of their time for education and training. The Bush administration, in its typically punitive manner, demanded that these women work 40 hours. Clinton split the difference and advocated 35 hours.

Denying poor women the possibility of upward mobility is just not my brand of feminism.

Then there is this insane war. Even today, Clinton shows little passion for ending the war in Iraq, even if you ignore her earlier votes.

Finally, there is Bill Clinton. During his last term, he squandered a huge amount of political capital as a result of his reckless behavior. I am genuinely afraid that revelations about recent sexual or business scandals may sabotage Hillary's candidacy and/or her presidency. I am unwilling to watch Democratic capital squandered by him one more time.

If Hillary Clinton should end up being the Democratic presidential candidate, I will certainly vote for her. But all these reservations and worries won't go away when and if I have the chance to vote for the first woman president.

[K Gardner]

1. K and freakin R.

[Evergreen Emerald]

2. He is not sexist. He just used sexism to divide.

[Occam Bandage]

4. If by "he" you are referring to any number of right-wing talking heads, I might be inclined to agree

If you're referring to Obama, you're out of your gourd.

[PoliticalAmazon]

82. Or Bill Clinton. A man who uses women like disposible toilet-paper....

isn't exactly Mr. Feminism Enlightenment.

[haymakeragain]

5. Please provide some examples of this rampant sexism. Thanks.

By Obama.

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. he used phrases purposefully to demean and to attract those

good ol boy sexists in our society. Just like the phrase he used for McCain, that insinuates he is an old out of touch fart, he did with Clinton using sexist comments:

When the talked about how emotional she was during "certain times"
When said she was throwing dishes at him

Those are two I can think of off the top of my head. There have been more...but you all know that. If you don't I wonder how you can be on this board hollering about Clinton and not even know what your candidate is doing?

[Occam Bandage]

Those "certain times" would be, as he said in the same sentence, "when she's down in the polls."

How on Earth is that sexist? You can't refer to the concept of time in conjunction with a reference to a woman now?

[haymakeragain]

15. I need links, thanks.

Sorry I can't just take your word for it, but I have seen an awful lot of specious stuff thrown out there.

I wouldn't mind some context of those "code words" he allegedly used.

All ears, and eyes.

[Evergreen Emerald]

31. Here are three: I wonder why you have no memory of these?

You all disect every breath Clinton takes, but apparently do not require Obama to be held to the same standard.

Double standard.

Here are three:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/is-obama-using.html

Is Obama Using Sexist Language?
February 16, 2008 11:30 AM

Earlier this month, speaking at Tulane University, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said this about the attacks coming his way from Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY:

"You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out," Obama said.


Mr. Shakes, who was an early Obama supporter, but whose support has faded in the wake of some of his less-than inspiring rhetorical flourishes, just laughed out loud when I read him the quote and asked if he thought it was sexist. "Obama knows every connotation of everything he says and what it's going to mean to his audience," said Mr. Shakes. "Of course that was sexist. From the barroom to the boardroom, men constantly make 'jokes' just like that about women being nuts when they're on their periods. To believe that Obama did not have a sexist intent is to believe that he is completely unaware of male culture."


http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/02/periodically-speaking.html

Periodically feeling down" is the textbook asshole male corporate wanker put-down, the kind of demeaning snipe used incessantly against female colleagues which they can't report without looking like hysterics. Any woman who's found herself in a corporate setting in which there are men who make those little digs at her constantly, suppressing their snide little grins as they throw her under the bus, can spot these dog whistles at a thousand yards, and all of the little snipes Obama uses are of the same tenor—tea parties, on edge, likeable enough, claws come out… He is a classic boardroom bully.



http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/16/103052/528

I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal.

- Barack Obama, February 15, 2008

In a campaign marked by news coverage unrelenting in its sexism and misogyny, especially from NBC, the last thing we can afford is sexism from the frontrunning candidate. Barack Obama needs to apologize for this remark.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obama-hillary-t.html

You know, over the last several weeks since she fell behind, she's resorted to what's called 'kitchen sink' strategies," Obama said, per ABC News' Sunlen Miller. "She's got the kitchen sink flying, and the china flying, and the, you know, the buffet is coming at me.

[MrsT]

48. Wow, that is some seriously un-sexist stuff

Everybody just needs to relax. Obama AND Clinton have had poorly worded statements. Can we stick to the issues please?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

52. "Reaching" comes to mind.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

19. Nope.

"Periodically feeling down" referred to Hillary attacking him when her polls were down, and the "dishes" remark was specifically referring to Hillary's kitchen-sink strategy.

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. ohmygod. You dissect every breath Clinton takes, but ignore

the "periodically" statement? Wow. That's it. You have no credibility.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

38. And you ignore her race-baiting, so that makes us even.

[Evergreen Emerald]

39. Well, if we are counting, you are up one

as you are ignore his use of shouts of "Racism!" to divide AND your are ignoring sexism....

[Starbucks Anarchist]

40. No, I'm ignoring instances of falsely claimed sexism.

I never said Hillary wasn't subject to sexism at all, but I am disputing that it came directly from Obama or his campaign.

But when Hillary and her "hardworking/white American" spiel gets tossed out there, I will call that race-baiting.

[hfojvt]

51. we don't all dissect every breath Clinton takes

I defended her on Bosnia. I defended Ferraro and I defended the harmless use of 'spadework' to name just three. It really gets me down when I periodically read ridiculous attacks from both sides instead of discussions of the issues.

[Drunken Irishman]

86. Periodically, are you fucking kidding me?

You're not serious, are you? In the context of what he said, it made PERFECT SENSE. How do you get a double-meaning out of that line?

Do you even know what periodically means?

Wow is right.

[Zachstar]

42. removed

[eridani]

70. She's 60 frickin' years old! She doesn't have "certain times" any more

That is a truly idiotic interpretation.

[PoliticalAmazon]

84. How about when Bill asks women to kiss his penis? How does that work for you?...

Is that sexist?

[newmajority]

7. Hillary is not a racist. She just used racism to divide.

At least that statement can be backed up with specific examples (Bill Shaheen, Bubba in SC, Geraldine Ferraro, various Freep emails circulated by Sid Blumenthal, "White working class voters", etc.)

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. No, your examples are distortions, twists and many times just made up

[cali]

17. bzzzt. Hill used the Southern Strategy bigtime.

YOU are the twisting and distorting incessently. Hard working white people ring a bell? Obama didn't use either sex or race to divide. Hilly used both. And she deservedly lost.

[Auntie Bush]

46. BS

"Obama didn't use either sex or race to divide. " What a blatant lie from an Obie supporter. I see you are still name calling...it's catching. I've never seen a post from you that doesn't call someone names multiple times.

[ProSense]

47. Got a link? n/t

[lisa58]

11. Stop...

...listen to reason.

Hillary is a woman...so am I...I love the fact that Hillary is a pioneer for women's rights...Hillary did not earn the nomination for President of the United States...she didn't earn it because she is not honest...she didn't earn it because she assumed toooooooooo much...she didn't earn it because she was not entitled to it...she didn't earn it because she trusted people she should not have trusted...she didn't earn it because she let other people make decisions she should have made.

SHE DID NOT LOSE THE NOMINATION BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN!!!!!!!!

She lost the nomination because she lost - and she wasn't entitled to the nomination because she is a woman - and any woman should not want her to win it because she is.

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. stop

Listen to yourself. I have never said she lost it because she is a woman. I said she lost it IN PART because she is a woman.

Everything you cited as reasons she lost it: OBAMA DID THE VERY SAME THINGS... but for some reason (and my thesis is, in part THAT REASON is sexism) HER behavior was magnified, distorted, and made out of whole cloth (hosptial lie) and then used to attack her 24/7. She did not even have a chance.

And when Obama DID THE VERY SAME THINGS, he was ignored, minimized, forgiven--after all he is tired, long campaign, only human.

Listen to reason: you are ignoring reality if you think sexism played no part in this campaign.

[lisa58]

21. No she didn't....

...she had every advantage - and she blew it - and she blew it big time!

Obama won (or will win) because he wants to include everyone - Hillary doesn't and McCain is associated with an administration and a party that doesn't want to.

This is indeed the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - and I live here and you live here and the government should work for both of us.

[sfaprog]

23. I'll listen to reason when i can find it.

Certainly not in your posts or the others eschewing this Hillary talking-point-o-the-day.

You are the one ignoring reality, and furthermore engaging in slander, when you drag Obama's name into the deplorable actions of right-wing bigots.

He is no more responsible for their behavior than she is for the Curious George T-shirt asshole.

[ElboRuum]

62. She did not lose it in ANY part because she is a woman.

Now, please. Fabricate a reality where I am wrong.

[roguevalley]

60. Sexist!the last refuge of the scoundrel. Must be awful to have to find

a reason for a legitimate loss to someone else. Sad.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. well we won't have to listen to this for much longer

[AtomicKitten]

6. Oh STFU, Hillary, and quit making an ass out of yourself. You lost. Bye now.

[madfloridian]

18. You are right.

Recommended this thread.

[sniffa]

9. They even have an awful youtube up about it already

It's Obama's fault.

[AllentownJake]

14. They might want to start cutting those YouTubes

to 3 minutes. Nobody want's to spend 8 minutes of their life on that but the base.

[sfaprog]

26. Do you mean

this one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6020372

where the poster belittles people for not watching it, then refuses to discuss it when they do? Strange behavior, not even defending the crap. it's as if they think throwing enough of it out there will just stick on its own. The Wright "issue" proved that wasn't the case.

The people can smell the crap before they even see it. And then somebody keeps screaming "Look at it!" and then when you do look at it and say "yeah, it's a big piece of crap", they just smile at you blankly. Pretty much describes the youtube video and thread above.

[sniffa]

28. Just someone who's not bitter

:think:

[TahitiNut]

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[Cha]

13. A$$bites are tryin' anything in the book and some shit they're

makin' up as they go along.

[roseBudd]

20. "Finally, there is Bill Clinton. " yes the real reason the Clinton brand is tarnished & saddled with

high negatives and synonymous with dishonesty.

Hillary is unelectable.

[JerseygirlCT]

22. This is what I really really don't get

I have yet to see examples of the Obama campaign's so called sexism. It does certainly seem as if some in the Clinton camp are blaming Obama for all the sexism still in the world AND attributing dislike of Clinton, and a lack of support for her because of it soley to sexism.

I'm a woman. I'm a feminist. I dislike Clinton. I don't care what genitalia she owns; I hate the way she's behaved through this campaign. To me, it screams: someone unworthy to be president. Obama on the other hand, continues to impress me more with each day. So this feminist supports Obama.

Sexism is alive and well and often one of the last socially acceptable biases. (Homophobia definitely fits there, too.) That DOES NOT mean that Clinton's lack of success can be attributed to sexism. And claiming that only makes her and her supporters look weak and whiney. And pisses people like me off.

So put out the specifics: I want to see exactly what OBAMA or his campaign have done. And then maybe we can put that up against Clinton's behavior vis a vis race-baiting. I'm guessing that the Clinton supporters won't want to go there. Not if they're honest or smart.

Let's drop the accusations back and forth, shall we? Let's focus on the individuals - which really is at the heart of fighting sexism and racism. Let's judge each candidate on their content of their character, shall we? I know where I judge them on that.

[AirmensMom]

29. What you said ...

:toast:

[TexasObserver]

24. Without sexism, Hillary would never have won a single contest.

She owes her victories to sexism. She's the only sexist candidate in the race, the one who uses sexism to beg for votes.

[VotesForWomen]

64. wow. good luck in GE. nt

[dorktv]

25. Two things: One Rosen is ignoring what could have been a compromise

on the part of a politician between to sides. That is kind of what Senator Obama claims to be able to do.

I guess I mean that it looks like Senator Clinton talks about fighting with the Republicans but in the end works with them. Kind of like how a real politician is supposed to do (Truman lambasted the Republicans but I have not heard of him refusing to work with them.)

Second, she is blaming the victim with what Bill Clinton did as President. She can have concerns but to say "well I am not going to vote for Senator Clinton because of what her husband did with other women..." Kind of says to me anyway, "I think Senator Clinton should not have put up with it. I would not have. And therefore, I blame her."

Oh and endorsements leaving her are in a sense a betrayal-many of them she helped and now she is being thrown over for someone else who she may, like many of her supporters, feel is not ready for being President. She may not expect them to stay with her no matter what but I can see why she would feel betrayed.

Finally, Senator Obama and others HAVE kept quiet when there were blatant sexist things being stated and used against her. He is NOT to blame for them but he could have done some major speech condeming what was going on just as he did a speech on racism.

[ima_sinnic]

33. she never spoke up at all in defense of Obama when the 3 weeks of Wright BS were going down

in fact, she did just the opposite. She said crap like, "oh, if he were my pastor, I would have left that church long ago." Bullshit undermnining like that.

He doesn't have to do squat for that prima donna entitlement queen bee.

[ima_sinnic]

27. oh, poor widdle fake victims -- like everything else about HRC amd supporters their "victimhood"

is so much sound and fury signifying absofuckinglutely NOTHING.

She IS a stereotype of a wily, scheming, vindictive, manipulative, scheming, lying female. Notice how all the men in the race conceded GRACEFULLY when they knew it was over, and devoted themselves to promoting the candidate? Did any of them whine and carry on about how "belittled" or "demeaned" they were? She doesn't know the meaning of the word gracious. She's a fake fucking "feminist" Rambo-wannabe, capitalizing on the emotions of her followers, playing the sexist bullshit card to distract from her own INEPT, MISMANAGED, CORRUPT, BANKRUPT campaign.

oh boo hoo, HILLARY LOST, it's soooo mean, the girl is supposed to win!

and by the way, why aren't all these millions of "supporters" sending her campaign any money?

[ruggerson]

30. I see you're busy stirring up the usual crowd

energy so well spent.

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[MethuenProgressive]

34. Pointing out the TRUTH about the Obama camp's sexism is not "now insinuating"

Charity kick.

[Alexander]

56. The truth is you Shillbots are lying about Obama and ignoring Hillary's race-baiting.

End of story.

You can take your ball and go home now.

[billyoc]

35. Fuck off, Maria, NARAL's on Obama's side.

Sell it walkin'.

[Life Long Dem]

37. Does this even deserve a reply?

You know the post you come across where you don't even feel like wasting your breath over? Well, this is one of them.

[ProSense]

41. Nothing deserves a reply.

When NOW's Maria Pappas made her ridiculous "psychological gang bang" statement, no one wanted to believe that Hillary's silence meant she condoned the statement. Then Maria Pappas went to campaign for Hillary in Ohio. Add Taylor Marsh, Larry Johnson, and all the other shills, include Hillary's comments, smears and defiance, and the picture is quite clear: Hillary is responsible for setting the divisive tone for her campaign and encouraging surrogates to spread false accusations and claims.

[Life Long Dem]

59. I agree.

I should have probably said the "issue" instead of "post"

[IndianaGreen]

43. People with personality disorders always blame others for their troubles

The Clintons and the Bushes are cut from the same mold.

[Mimosa]

79. Re: The Clintons and the Bushes are cut from the same mold

I've come to see it's true. Look what both administrations did TO working people re: offshoring jobs. Maybe all politicians want to be part of the ruling class.

[Auntie Bush]

44. You know ProSense?

I don't think I've ever seen a positive post from you. It's anti-Hillary 100% of the time. We get so sick of it and I'm sure I'm not the only Hillary supporter who doesn't bother reading your hateful bias propaganda except for your chorus. You and your kind do the Obama campaign NO good whats so ever! You personally are hindering his chance of winning the GE. time to get smart and pick yourself up...brush yourself off and just go away for the good of the Democratic party. :bye:

[ProSense]

45. Are you serious? Get a grip. Read the OP again. Here is positive post

Obama will have the majority of delegates with pick up in KY (updated)

[Name removed]

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[mkultra]

74. maybe you shoudl use your ignore

The fact is that HRC supporters are hurting the democratic party by ignoring the truth. She has serious problems with honesty and ethics and her tactics have brought shame on everyone who calls themselves a progressive. you and your kind do the democrats NO good whatsoever.

[Auntie Bush]

77. Some people spout nothing but crap and lies. Look at yourself in the mirror!

Other than the Bosnia incident...what honesty and what ethics? Or do you just spout other peoples memes? Speaking of lying...I seem to remember a few Obama told regarding Wright and Rezsko...or do you just remember anti Clinton comments? If you are going to post such negative comments...they ought to at least be truthful and not hypocritical.

[mkultra]

78. she tells more lies than a fortune teller.

im sure you will see the newest lie at the end of may regarding the supposed 10 million in donations in 48 hours.

[ProSense]

49. Hillary blogger Taylor Marsh lays out why Hillary supporters will go for McCain

Clinton Protest Voters for McCain

<...>

However, make no mistake about it, the Democratic Party has sent a signal to women that Hillary's candidacy isn't historic. They're nonchalance over her fight about Michigan and Florida, as well as the undemocratic nature of caucuses, not to mention their breezy attitude about pushing her out before this race is through has wounded a lot of people. Ted Kennedy took his fight to the floor with far less of a case than Hillary Clinton has today, yet she's being screamed at to get out. The Democratic elite seem to be saying that the little women got their play in the political pond, but let's get serious, shall we? With the proclamation that Obama was the "presumptive nominee" ready to declare "victory" on May 20th, the women of the Democratic Party were once again proclaimed invisible and expected to fall in line for The One.

Try winning in November without them.

But taking this further, what does this Butch-Sundance storyline say about the traditional media and the Obamabot world, which obviously doesn't get that if Clinton and her female supporters are not respected, they have the power and could stand up and walk out on the Democratic Party to send a message that will reverberate for months and years to come. That message will result in a McCain presidency.

For anyone who doubts this could happen please start reading the comment sections on the Hillary Clinton blogs. Some are over the top, but most people are coming from thoughtful political perspectives from activists who are very serious about what's now unfolding in the Democratic Party. These Clinton supporters who are threatening a protest vote for John McCain are large in number, many of whom are regulars on my blog and in the comment section, with hundreds of emails from lurkers to me every day saying they will not vote for Obama if he's the nominee. The disrespect for Hillary Clinton has been too wide and too deep in the Democratic Party, and they're not going to support it anymore.

Memo to the Democratic leadership elite: Consider yourselves on notice. Hell hath no fury. Believe it.

Wow, the Democratic Party should have spotlighted the historic nature of Hillary's campaign?

OMG!

[madrchsod]

53. taylor marsh is an opportunist

she was a republican now a "democrat" but as soon as obama officially wins taylor will be back to being a republican

[Mimosa]

80. The politics of threat and fear

No decent person would vote for somebody he or she know to be harmful to our country as a 'revenge vote' because the revenge will be on US.

[avenger64]

50. Come on, it wasn't just Obama ....

... Chris Matthews and the MSM certainly played their part as well.

[Kaylee]

54. WTF?

:wtf:

Can she drag her campaign any lower?

[Hutzpa]

55. Huh!!!

:eyes:

Racism was Obamas fault, and now sexism is Obamas fault too...
you people need a life, can't wait for this nonsence to over.

[ProSense]

58. Only time will tell. n/t

[AZBlue]

57. "Rampant sexism"? Bullshit! And by crying wolf they continue

to hurt feminism. Grrrrrrr, this makes me SO angry.

[Prophet 451]

61. *headdesk*

Hillary and her surrogates continue to delude themselves that sexism was the main reason they lost. No. While there was a fair amount of sexism thrown around (quite a lot of it, in the "pity me, the poor girl" form, coming FROM Clinton), the main reason she lost is because she ran a godawful campaign.

HRC went into the campaign with a massive war chest, a good record as a senator, her considerable personal talents and the fact that she'd been lauded as inevitible for years (although, granted, that was a double-edged sword because many resented it). Had she had a better campaign team, the sexism of the mass media (and yes, there was a lot) wouldn't have made a dent but her campaign was just awful, misjudged the public mood, failed to adapt quickly when Obama proved to have traction and finally, resorted to the naked selfishness of trying to get the FL and MI delegates to count.

That's not to say that voters in FL and MI don't have cause for complaint but Hillary (and Obama and I'm not happy about that either) signed off on the rules that removed their delegates. The Michigan legislature shut down an attempt at a re-vote (which would have been the fairest solution) and teh Clinton campaign will not accept giving Obama the "Uncommitted" delegates, despite Hillary's own arguement that Obama voters were voting "uncommitted". Effectively, her campaign has said she wants all teh MI delegates and Obama should get none despite the fact that Hillary (and Kucinich) were the only names on the ballot. If she'd taken a principled stand on teh FL and MI primaries either teh campaign started or tried to get them reinstated earlier or even refrained from publically stating that they wouldn't count, I'd have more sympathy but trying to reinstate them ONLY when it became clear that she'd need them to win is nakedly self-serving.

[TexasObserver]

63. The Clinton Campaign: All excuses, no substance

If they spent as much time coming up with ideas as they do on coming up with excuses, there might be one original idea for them to build around.

[davidpdx]

65. Claims of sexism are over rated

Especially given the fact that some of her surrogates (including her husband) have made very controversial statements. Clinton supporters make it all about gender versus race. I'll tell you one thing for certain, neither effected my decision on who to support for president.

Stop claiming everyone who doesn't vote or support Hillary is a sexist!!

[Perry Logan]

66. If Obama didn't know, he is incompetent. If he did know, he's a sleazebag. Next question.

[Kahuna]

67. Right here! I nominate this as the stupidest post of the day!

:toast:

[Perry Logan]

69. Well, you're the expert.

[mkultra]

75. not if about it

Clinton IS a sleazebag. If you dont know it your blind.

[ProSense]

71. Ferraro: I Might Not Vote for Obama

Ferraro: I Might Not Vote for Obama

More unity from Hillary surrogates.

[mmonk]

72. Yes. The blame can never be handed to her campaign.

It will be someone else's fault.

[ProSense]

73. Yes, time to blame men.

WomenCount says it was created "to ensure that the 51% of American citizens who are women have their values and votes counted in the political process and supports candidates in support of progressive, political values.

link

The 51%? What about the women (including the 90% of black women) who are voting for Obama, they don't count?

[ProSense]

76. Hillary vying to win the award for the most pathetic end to a campaign

As she has in the past, she discounted Mr. Obama’s victories in caucus states and states likely to vote Republican in November, ticking off Alaska, Utah, Nebraska, Kansas and Idaho. “Many of his votes and delegates come from caucus state which have a relatively low turnout,” she said.

“Right now more people have voted for me than have voted for my opponent,” Mrs. Clinton said, without explaining how she reached that arithmetic certainty. “More people have voted for me than anybody who’s ever run for president before.” (Her campaign later clarified this remark saying Mrs. Clinton was talking about more people voting for her than anyone previously in a Democratic primary.)

link

[ProSense]

81. McCaskill slams Ferraro

Update: Sen Claire McCaskill "bitterly" Rebukes Ferraro's "Sexist" comments:

The Missouri Senator and Obama supporter criticizes the Clinton backer on MSNBC:

"Frankly, it is bitterly disappointing to me that a woman like Geraldine Ferraro would actually publicly say she is thinking about supporting John McCain, and what he would represent to women in this country."

"Really, the issues are so much more important than the people here."

[woolldog]

83. Hell hath no fury....

[EFerrari]

85. I will not cast a vote for the victim. I don't need a victim, I need a leader. n/t

[Orsino]

87. I hear Jim Crow was his idea, too.

And New Coke.