Obama makes a request of his supporters- "be nice to Clinton supporters"

[NJmaverick]

I know this was already posted, but it was done rather poorly. So for that missed Obama's request, he is asking that his supporters "be nice to Clinton supporters". I know there will be a handful of people that will make this more challenging than it has to be, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to our future President. He knows that a unified party presents the best chance to win in November.

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/05/18/obama-orders-faithful-to-be-nice-to-clinton-supporters/

[slinkerwink]

1. and that is what I've been trying to tell others. It is up to us to be magnamious.

[hfojvt]

57. magmanious?

Does that involved burying them at the earth's core, or just pushing them into lava or open volcanoes?

I'm up for it.

everybody knows Obama supporters can't even spell magnanimous, much less be it ;)

[Joyce78]

89. Stop it!! I just gulped my coffee and giggled. Thankfully, whew, I

didn't choke or even worse!

[Joyce78]

90. I was wondering about Magmanious ... was that some insane Roman emperor?

Or was he just insane and overweight?

[cali]

2. I will not let Clinton supporters run rampant with smears about Obama.

That's just not going to happen.

[Joyce78]

5. You will not let Clinton supporters do what?? Sorry, you have no control over us.

[cali]

7. Sorry. What I meant was I will not let it go unanswered.

You smear. I call you on it.

[Name removed]

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[BlooInBloo]

8. You're right. We can't stop the lies and bigotry of Clinton supporters...

But we can and will respond.

[DevonRex]

11. So you're planning on running rampant with smears? WTF? nt

[RichardRay]

30. Just out of curiousity, who DOES have control over you?

Anyone? Including yourself?

[Joyce78]

53. I believe I've responded. I've stated that I've had cancer and

have been surviving so far, so good. What else do you want to know?
\

[RichardRay]

59. Good, that's a tough one. I've not had cancer...

but I volunteer in hospice care. I've sat with a lot of folks while they figured that out and it's pretty awesome to watch the process.

Having gotten past that one, are you making all your other life choices as effectively?

[Joyce78]

84. Well, I will say thank you for any time that you give ... on that we can agree.

Again, thank you.

[emilyg]

120. Thank you for caring.

I have seen too many people die alone.

[sniffa]

63. I'll take sympathy seeking non-sequiturs for $1000 Alex

[dogday]

113. And I will take cold hearted pointless posts for absolutely

nothing, although I would gladly pay to have it removed... One of the most tasteless posts I have ever read here at DU... That poster has every right to put her life's experience into her post...

[sniffa]

121. But I'm deaf

Doesn't that count for something?

[dogday]

125. Yes, it does and if you want to post it in a thread

I am sure as hell not going to criticize you for it or saying you are using it to your advantage... I think the poster is saying because she has cancer, she has no control whatsoever, the cancer has control... At least that is how I read it.... And even if it had nothing to do with what was being posted, I would not criticize you for posting it...

I lost my sister to cancer last month, the funny thing is she often said she had no control over anything and discovered that fact when she found out she had cancer...

[emilyg]

126. Watch out for Karma.

[emilyg]

119. My love to you - another cancer survivor.

[NJmaverick]

29. If you feel you have to respond an attack (honestly it's better to let the attacks sink)

at least do so in a gentle and respectful manner.

[ruggerson]

37. Take out a dictionary and look up "grandiosity"

[Hippo_Tron]

132. There's a difference between countering lies and attacking Senator Clinton

When Clinton supporters post something I find to be factually inaccurate or nasty I call them out. I don't post any negative threads about Senator Clinton, though.

There's a few very disturbing threads from Obama supporters saying that we don't need Hillary Clinton and her supporters in the party. I know that doesn't represent most Obama supporters but I don't think that crap does any good being posted.

[Joyce78]

3. Many of us will not vote for him. We will write in Joe Biden or

guess who else ... Hillary Clinton.

[slinkerwink]

6. Clinton said on CNN that it would be a terrible mistake for her supporters not to vote for Obama

Will you listen to your candidate?

[NJmaverick]

19. I am curious about that myself

[Mags]

25. BO preaches unity, where have you folk been?

[slinkerwink]

40. I keep on thinking about this country, and how much we need to put a Democratic nominee

as President into the White House. I sincerely hope that you will join me in supporting the Democratic nominee because seriously, John McCain would mean four more years of the same Bush policies, and I look forward to your help in making sure McCain doesn't win on November 4th.

[Mags]

65. sorry, I am not there yet.

[slinkerwink]

85. I understand. It took me months to support Kerry after Dean dropped out.

[Raejeanowl]

129. Slinker, You're Awesome

I just wanted to give you a (((hug))).

[Hippo_Tron]

133. Out of curiosity is there anything I could do to help you get there?

I can't make people on an anonymous internet forum stop being assholes. But I can help you ease some concerns you may have about Senator Obama.

Try me...

[Auntie Bush]

118. If Obama supporters want our help....

Stop accusing us of racism, lying and every evil deed you can think of or make up. There's more hate here for Hillary than bush*! You lie about her...NEVER give her the benefit of the doubt and exaggerate your own paranoid expectations and evil projections etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc., etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc., etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc., etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,etc., etc.,

How do you possibly think we would want to vote for someone that would make rabid Obama supporters happy? I have never felt such anger for all you people who lie about Hillary 24/7. I hope she becomes VP just to get your nasty goats/panties in a wod...will serve you right. Yes, I'm being hateful...but you made me this way with your constant never ending R W bashing of Hillary. How much do you think anyone can take without getting truly angry...and then having the nerve to try and make us feel guilty and want our vote because you are afraid of a McCain administration and conservative SC? Well, sorry...but you all hate mongers should have thought of the consequences when you bash, and make up lies about Hillary for so long you believe your own lies. It's SICKENING!

[TBF]

127. No one can MAKE you anything without your consent, Auntie Bush.

I can understand you being angry, I have been angry at times and threated to vote for Ralph Nader instead of Hillary, but eventually we will all have to calm down (no matter which way it goes) and support the dem so McCain doesn't get in the White House. Remember that we are each responsible for our own behavior. Blaming it on others is just a copout.

[Name removed]

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[jaxx]

9. I'm sorry you feel that way.

I'd really like to see Barack Obama in the WH, as I would have any of the candidates who ran this year. We need a democratic president to stop the carnage all around.

[MrsT]

10. And many of us are smart enough to follow Sen. Clinton

and support our nominee.

[slinkerwink]

18. thank you. McCain would be disastrous for our country. He'd be worse than Bush.

[Mags]

76. blackmail, blackmail. You broke it you bought it.

[slinkerwink]

86. *sigh*

[Mags]

98. back to ya.

[NJmaverick]

99. It's really just a fork in the rode

We, all Americans, will have two choices in November. Choice one is McCain. That choice leads to 8 more years of Bush's policies and a Supreme Court filled with far right freedom and rights hating judges. Choice two is Obama and 4 years of a liberal president, who has the ability to inspire the nation. If you don't go down the Obama road, you force the nation to travel down the McCain road.

[last1standing]

13. It's your future you're playing with.

And mine and your children's/nieces/nephews, etc...

I would suggest you think very carefully over the next few months about your choice.

[anigbrowl]

14. OK, be that way.

[cali]

15. Guess what? YOU speak for you. You haven't any right to speak,

for others. And Obama will beat McCain. You'll just have to live with that.

[Name removed]

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[Renew Deal]

42. Many of you are republicans.

[sniffa]

52. Knock yourself out

I hear Donald Duck is also in the running.

[Raine]

91. Real smart to screw yourself

but use your own "judgement". :silly: Usually it's the reTHUGs that vote against their own best interests. It goes to shows that kind of "thinking" is not exclusive to one party. :dunce:

[Auntie Bush]

100. Hillary Clinton does it for me!

[Meshuga]

116. I guess I will be nice to Hillary supporters

not to (indirect) McCain supporters like yourself.

[LakeSamish706]

4. I'm all for that... After all, we are all still on the same side so it makes perfect sence. n/t

[Joyce78]

16. Sorry to be nitpicky, but I think you meant sense. Or we could be saying cents. lol

[Beacool]

12. He knows he needs us in November .

That's all.........

[slinkerwink]

20. We can't afford four more years of McCain with a Supreme Court tilted so far to the right.

[hendo]

41. and if the roles were reversed

hillary would need all the Obama supporters. A divided party cannot win. It didn't work for McGovern in 1972, GHW Bush (not that I am complaining) in 1992, and a divided party likely can't win this year.

Yes, we would like your support, but if you really would rather have McCain, then at least you can't have the retort that you didn't support him in the elections.

[Beacool]

61. The party IS divided!!!!!!!!!

Read some of the over 600 responses on the Fox site.

[hendo]

68. must be a glorious day for Faux News then

Can't we all just get along and unite for the good of the country?

[Beacool]

82. IMO, the good of the country does not include Obama as president.

:shrug:

[hendo]

123. in that case, does it include McCain, in your opinion?

Not to be rude or anything, but come Nov it will likely be Obama v McCain. You may not trust either, but who do you trust more?

[Hippo_Tron]

134. Would you agree that the good of the country certainly includes a Democratic President?

I think Tom Harkin would have been a better President than Bill Clinton but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have voted for Clinton (had I been old enough) for the good of the country. Clinton and Obama are very similar on the issues. There isn't a fundamental division over policy. We just have two very good candidates with very strong supporters.

[JerseygirlCT]

115. No, the COUNTRY needs you in November

This isn't about hurt feelings or upset about a nasty primary race.

This is the future of the country, and whether we have four more years of the Bush attacks on human rights, the constiution, the environment and basic human dignity.

Clinton supporters are not owed anything. Think in terms of JFK's speech: it's about what you owe to your country. So are you going to do the right thing, or are you going to do your part to hand this country over to four more years of destruction - some of it with long-lasting impact? Your choice, but it's *your* choice. You own it, and the responsibility.

[K Gardner]

17. Here is Clinton supporters official response:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6021626

[slinkerwink]

22. remember...it is up to us to be magnamious.

[K Gardner]

24. Yeah, tried that.

[slinkerwink]

31. just remain calm, and don't be so quick to fire back with an angry response

Be magnamious. It's what winners do.

[NJmaverick]

36. Exactly, if you can't come up with something nice to say, just don't respond

[BlooInBloo]

38. They're dead-set on "getting us back" and "showing us" - there's no point.

[slinkerwink]

43. look. Being angry and calling them names doesn't do us any favors--we should act like the winners we

are. Let's be magnamious in our victory.

[BlooInBloo]

55. I'm not gonna let a Pollyanna-ish sense of honor prevent a response....

to attacks on the Democratic candidate.

Several have thought as you do. They've since (publically) learned the error, and come back to vigourously supporting Obama by, among other things, responding to false attacks on him.

[NJmaverick]

66. You are partially right. It's about honor. If you feel that Obama is a great leader

who should lead the Country, you need to practice what you preach. That means you need to make every effort to follow what he asks of us.

[BlooInBloo]

71. Just because one course of action is honorable does NOT mean that other courses AREN'T.

[NJmaverick]

75. I am asking people to vote for Obama. How can I ignore what he askes of us

and still remain honorable? Being nice, doesn't mean you have to agree with attacks on Obama. Nor does it mean you can't offer up a counter point. He is simply asking that you be nice. Would you consider that an unreasonable request?

[BlooInBloo]

78. Once again: Just because one course of action is reasonable doesn't mean other courses *aren't*.

And I'm not *ignoring* him. Deciding to do other than as he suggested after deliberation isn't *ignoring*.

[NJmaverick]

27. As I said, there will be people that will make this task challenging

The difficulty of the task, should not be the deciding factor as to us doing it or not.

[AtomicKitten]

28. glad you pointed that out because it isn't our job to herd cats

[slinkerwink]

34. remember to be kind. It reflects better on you.

[ruggerson]

79. DUZY

lol. Now THAT's funny.

[sniffa]

56. You are ignoring the author of this thread

Yep, that seems about right.

[NJmaverick]

94. You should heed the call by Obama

[sniffa]

122. Actually, I've been doing that for some time now (Since 2/7/08)

However, some people don't deserve it, and won't get it from me.

In fact, some of them have crossed the line that should never have been crossed. They're forever ignored (save for a handful, that post rule-breaking posts too often, and I enjoy getting them deleted).

[Yossariant]

21. False thread title. The article says, Obama ORDERS faithful ...

[NJmaverick]

33. Yes it's on a FAUX blog and they did take liberties with the title

However, the odds are pretty good that the quote was accurate. Sorry if I don't use FAUX's title or talking points.

[bridgit]

26. It's just not in some of them to do so; however noble the request...it will fall on deft ears...

[slinkerwink]

35. er, it's deaf.

I should know since I'm deaf ;-)

[bridgit]

69. and you for we'll make that "tin"...

;)

[sniffa]

70. ...

Me too. :hug:

[Joyce78]

64. deft? or deaf?

[bridgit]

67. yeah, let's go ahead and make it "deaf"

:patriot:

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[Joyce78]

39. Barack Obama is clueless. Not as dangerous as John McCain, however,

he is a novice and will not get my support. I did not support John Edwards and still view his "endorsement" as too little, too late. Elizabeth Edwards started the nasty attacks early on against Hillary Clinton ... perhaps a lot of you were not paying attention back then. Elizabeth Edwards was particulary aggressive in her attacks against Hillary Clinton. I am very angry with Elizabeth Edwards and her sorry use of her breast cancer recurrence during the primary ... I'm a breast cancer survivor at least until now.

[NJmaverick]

44. If you don't support Obama, you are supporting McCain by default

Do you want to see a Supreme Court packed with Alito like judges? After McCain has said he will pack the court with the worst right wingnut judges he can find.

[slinkerwink]

47. I sincerely hope you will change your mind in November. It would be great to have you

on board working to make sure McCain doesn't win on November 4th. This country can't afford four more years of the same Bush policies.

[slinkerwink]

48. I sincerely hope you will change your mind in November. It would be great to have you

on board working to make sure McCain doesn't win on November 4th. This country can't afford four more years of the same Bush policies.

[RichardRay]

50. So, who WILL get your support?

I mean, really get it? If you're going to write in Biden or Clinton you're not supporting anyone, since you'll be ignoring what both of them will be asking you to do.

So, aside from yourself, just who are you supporting? Is there anybody you're not angry at?

[Joyce78]

77. I truly believe that the President of the US is really nothing more

than a figurehead. I think that our efforts as Democrats should be securing a majority in the House and the (well, this is just my opinion of the royalty known as) the Senate. I'm a firm believer in the Legislative Branch. If we have elected the representative voices of the American voters, we don't have to worry about the White House nor the Supreme Court.

[avenger64]

60. Dittos ...

.... I will support my local Democratic candidates, but Obama is in no way fit to lead the country. Every time I see him talking about the economy in less than general terms, it's scary.

[NJmaverick]

73. The choices will be Obama or McCain

You think McCain will do a better job? Do you want a Supreme Court packed with horrible right wingnut judges? McCain has admitted he is not to smart, when it comes to the economy. He has pointed to Alito as the ideal Supreme Court judge. Now do you honestly think Obama would be worse than that? If so why? Also what specifics of his economic plan do you have problems with?

[sniffa]

72. Are you starting early on your one week reprieve?

[kwenu]

45. I'm always nice to other people who are nice too.

[NJmaverick]

49. Well Obama didn't make that distinction. He just asked us to be nice

It's a challenge, but it's one I am willing to take.

[SwampG8r]

93. me too

if they are nice first

[Life Long Dem]

46. Ahh...

If Clinton supporters didn't have the option of using the threat of not voting for Obama on how the Obama supporters behave, they'd be a little more discouraged about Clinton losing.

So they you owe us one now. But that is just spin so I take the owing back.

[NJmaverick]

54. I figure no one owes me anything. If I consider Obama a great leader

then I should follow his leadership.

[Life Long Dem]

80. I'm not saying not to follow his leadership or that I'm not. n/t

[Duder]

51. Think of them as drunks...

Pretty soon the bar's about to close and so let's hope they all get back home safely.

[Beacool]

58. Did you read the comments on the Fox site???

Yeah, his words went down well with most of Hillary's supporters.......

:rofl:

[NJmaverick]

62. Yeah some of the comments are pretty bad. Doesn't mean I will not make every

effort to comply with his request though.

[ruggerson]

74. The real quote is: "THAT MEANS ALL OF YOU HAVE TO BE NICE TO CLINTON SUPPORTERS"

Obama said his supporters "HAVE" to be nice to Clinton supporters.

I don't agree with him, but thought the OP cleverly edited the words to avoid the clear point Obama was basically ordering his followers to do.

[NJmaverick]

81. Hmmm That isn't technically correct

After all "have" can have different meanings. Seems to me what he is saying, is if we want success we HAVE to be nice. Sort of like if you don't want to starve to death, you HAVE to eat.

What exactly is your motive for trying to interpret that phrase as an order?

[ruggerson]

83. Why did you edit it out and mischaracterize what he said as a "request"?

[NJmaverick]

87. Again it's not a mischaracterization

As I said he is not giving an order he is saying we need to be nice. To be honest, I find it troubling that some people are trying to misinterpret it to mean he was issuing an order. I can't see how such an interpretation would be helpful to unity.

[ruggerson]

95. you "HAVE TO BE NICE" to Clinton supporters

there is not two ways to take that.

[BlooInBloo]

88. The OP's mischaracterization of what Obama actually said is neither here nor there...

The course of action Obama advocates is perfectly reasonable.

Also perfectly reasonable is the course of action that responds vigourously to continued lies by Clinton supporters.

There can be more than one reasonable course of action. It's not a betrayal of honor, Obama, or anything else to pursue a different, albeit reasonable, course of action.

[ruggerson]

92. I don't care one way or another

I don't agree that people have to follow Obama's instructions, they should come to their own decisions about what constitutes civil behaviour. Or, conversely, they can heed his orders, if they choose. I have my own opinions on the subject, which I've expressed.

I was remarking on the intellectual dishonesty of mischaracterizing what was actually said.

[NJmaverick]

96. You haven't made a good case to support your claims

I think you need to produce more than the word "have" to support your claims that he issues an "order".

[BlooInBloo]

101. Dude - don't bother trying to hide it. There's a reason you snipped the quote as you did....

Regardless of the actual words - that you deliberately hid - it really is immaterial whether he *meant it* as a request or a command. The issue is whether or not Obama's suggested (for the sake of argument) course of action is the ONLY reasonable one.

It hasn't been shown that it is the ONLY reasonable course of action.

[NJmaverick]

105. Why do you think people should vote for Obama to be leader of the free world

when you refuse to follow requests that you admit are reasonable?

[BlooInBloo]

107. You're sounding like a 2-dimensional thinker in a 3-dimensional world...

There can be *multiple* *different* *reasonable* courses of action.

I'm just not sure why that's so hard to understand.


EDIT: Subject typo.

EDITEDIT: Flatland is a wonderful little book btw - haven't thought about it for years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland

[NJmaverick]

109. What you are suggesting is anarchy, which is not an effective way for the Country to be run

I fully comprehend what you are saying, I simply don't agree with it.

[BlooInBloo]

110. Really? I'm suggesting anarchy? Really?

[NJmaverick]

112. Yeah, pretty much

[BlooInBloo]

114. hahaha! Okaaaay.... I'll go stand over there now. -->

[ruggerson]

102. hey don't blame me, HE said it

and you edited it. So, you quite clearly knew his intent and tried to disguise it for some reason.

[NJmaverick]

104. I didn't blame you, I ask you to back up your assertion

That is a request I am still waiting on.

[ruggerson]

108. because every english speaking person understands that "you have to"

is a command.

When a mother says to a child "you have to eat your peas", she's not making a request. A request would be "I would prefer it if you would eat your peas."

"You have to eat your peas" is a command.

[NJmaverick]

111. If you want to live, you have to breath. Is that a command or a statement of fact?

Now that I have cleared that up, what else do you have? Plus, why is the "order" issue so important to you?

[SwampG8r]

97. dont parse meanings you sound like bill clinton

on the witness stand

[NJmaverick]

103. Other than the word "have" what other evidence can you offer

to back up the assertion that he was issuing an order?

[BlooInBloo]

130. "Besides the videotape, what evidence do you have?"

:rofl:

It's really not a promising line of defense.

Argue about whether or not he *meant* it as an order if you want, but don't bother with the idiocy that the words he used were the words of an order, and not a request.

(It doesn't make much difference either way, but it seems important to you.)

[Smarmie Doofus]

106. I'm *always* nice. Ask anybody. nt

[mopinko]

124. the tough part of democracy- supporting the other guy when they win.

it is the part that takes real maturity. howard dean recently said- the most important person in this race is the loser. he went out and campaigned hard to john kerry. i supported john kerry, even though howard was my first choice. it's hard, but this isn't really a party if we don't support the winner.
hillary ran a hard race. she made history. i salute her, and her supporters.

[ej510]

128. I am so sick of selfish ass people

I have 9 relatives fighting in the Iraq war. One cousin that had fought in the Gulf war who is in the Reserves and has been sent repeatedly to Iraq. While all you Democrat's are fighting over whether or not you will support Obama, my cousin has tried to kill himself because he can't take another tour in Iraq. While we sit in our nice comfy homes people are dying and we are being petty and crying about hurt feelings. You know what, Fuck All Of You who would leave one more person over there to die.


Post-War Suicides May Exceed Combat Deaths, U.S. Says (Update1)

By Avram Goldstein

May 5 (Bloomberg) -- The number of suicides among veterans of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan may exceed the combat death toll because of inadequate mental health care,

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&refer=home&sid=a2_71Klo2vig

[NJmaverick]

137. You should really post this as a seperate OP

It really should be a wake up call for many.

[Raejeanowl]

131. It's Not Easy Being On The "Losing Team"

And being on the "Winning Team" doesn't exactly bring out the best in everyone, either. There are sore, whiny losers, and there are jeering, asshat winners. Poor "sportsmanship" all around.

Just think about that, my friends, and how much we want to see a Democrat sworn in come January. And in the meanwhile, I appreciate every Obama supporter who cares to act like an adult.

[OneAmerica]

136. A gentleman in every sense of the word.