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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:52 PM
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"Appeaser” from neocon speech writer's pen to Shrubco’s lips
Edited on Sun May-18-08 10:54 PM by bluedawg12
Sit down GOP, we have some bad news for you.



“Appeaser” from neoconservatives speech writers pen to Shrubco’s lips: :hurts:

Shrubco, quotes neocon (again),misstatess Obama's position by inference and calls his own Sec. Def. an appeaser without knowing it.

More evidence that he is a soon to be an out of work comedian whose lines have been poorly written.

The lies and psy-ops will be sorely missed. :sarcasm:

Dems need to unite and get the word out. The battle has started- and the media echo chamber has got to be stopped.

Background:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edgar_Borah

<<snip>>Borah may be best known today for having allegedly said, in September 1939, after Germany invaded Poland, "Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all of this might have been avoided."

The quote has been repeatedly cited as evidence of the alleged naivete of attempts to negotiate with one's enemies.

Conservative commentator Charles Krap-hammer has referred to the quote in at least three of his columns, making an analogy to negotiating with China in 1989, with North Korea in 1994 and with Iran in 2006.<10> In August 2006 United States Secretary of Defense Yummy-Rummy referred to the quote when decrying those who want to "negotiate a separate peace with terrorists".

On May 15, 2008, President George W. Bush referred to the quote in a speech to the Knesset in Israel commemorating that nation's 60th anniversary, after stating, "some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along... We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.<<snip>>

The MediaEcho chamberr

http://mediamatters.org/items/200805160009?f=i_latest

From the May 15 broadcast of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric:

<<snip>>While discussing President Bush's speech to the Israeli Knesset,...Jeff Greenfield stated that "the number one fear in Israel and among some American Jews is Iran -- that's who Obama wants to talk to.

However, Greenfield did not note that Defense Secretary Robert Gates reportedly stated that the United States should "sit down and talk with" Iran. <<snip>>

The Truth:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403553.html

“Gates: U.S. Should Engage Iran With Incentives, Pressure...”
By Karen DeYoung- Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 15, 2008;

<<snip>>We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage . . . and then sit down and talk with them," Gates said.

"If there is going to be a discussion, then they need something, too. We can't go to a discussion and be completely the demander, with them not feeling that they need anything from us."

"my personal view would be we ought to look for ways outside of government to open up the channels and get more of a flow of people back and forth...We ought to increase the flow the other way . . . of Americans" visiting Iran.<<snip>>

GOP- THE END!




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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:46 PM
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1. Uh- just curious- dd I say something wrong here or
is this just old news?
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:38 AM
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2. I ncompetent
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:38 AM
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3. T ragically
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:39 AM
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4. ’T is
Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:40 AM by bluedawg12
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:41 AM
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5. S tupid
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:42 AM
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6. S hrubco
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:42 AM
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7. I mitates
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:43 AM
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8. N eocon
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:44 AM
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9. K rapphammer
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:45 AM
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10. I nappropriately
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:46 AM
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11. N ews media echochamber
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:46 AM
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12. G ates says ditto
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:47 AM
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13. It's sinking
I ncompetent
T ragically

S tupid

S hrubco
I mitates
N eocon
K rapphammer
I nappropriately
N ews media echochamber
G ates says ditto
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:50 AM
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15. Foreign policy advisor to Obama, Khanna,'s great paper in Geopolitics
Excellent paper and good read.

http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2008/waving_goodbye_hegemony_6604


Waving Goodbye to Hegemony
By Parag Khanna, New America Foundation
The New York Times Magazine | January 27, 2008


>>U.S. hegemony of the world will soon be divided by the new "Big Three": The E.U., China and itself, while the "second world" will be the geopolitical marketplace that will decide which will lead the 21st century.<<

>>It is 2016, and the Hillary Clinton or John McCain or Barack Obama administration is nearing the end of its second term. America has pulled out of Iraq but has about 20,000 troops in the independent state of Kurdistan, as well as warships anchored at Bahrain and an Air Force presence in Qatar. Afghanistan is stable; Iran is nuclear. China has absorbed Taiwan and is steadily increasing its naval presence around the Pacific Rim and, from the Pakistani port of Gwadar, on the Arabian Sea. The European Union has expanded to well over 30 members and has secure oil and gas flows from North Africa, Russia and the Caspian Sea, as well as substantial nuclear energy. America's standing in the world remains in steady decline.

Why? Weren't we supposed to reconnect with the United Nations and reaffirm to the world that America can, and should, lead it to collective security and prosperity? <<
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:54 AM
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16. Read his counter part Neocon Kagan slimey words
BTW- Kagan and Kristol started the Weakly Standard

Kagan brother is the architectof Bushco's "surge" incestuous lot!


http://www.lossless-audio.com/usa/index0.php?page=685713382.htm

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/03/11/kagan/index.html

Khanna/Obama is the future,Kagan is the past.

The neocons are fighting for McSame's little bity soul

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:48 AM
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14. This proves that McCain is, without a doubt, a neocon.
:thumbsup: Good Work!
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:59 AM
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17. Also proves the Bushco says' nothing that wasn't put into his head
by his neocon handlers.

Draggin that inappropriate analogy, while over seas, and blasting Obama with a thredbare, shopworn, stand bye, from no other than Krauthhammer!? Oh fer...the love of...what a dumbo move from the chimperator,

How truly lame!
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:08 AM
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18. Thank you: anonymous171 They are very dangerous
like cornered rattle snakes McSame-Bushco-neocons will lie about anything, and the media will distort the truth AGAIN for Bushy.

And now just like Bushco before, the neocones will be writing the speeches and putting words in McMoreoftheSame's mouth!

We must unite around our nomiee. The truth is nothing to the Repub far RW--never was really!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:24 AM
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19. beautiful thread
and thank you. it is strange to think this national nightmare might be coming to an end very soon. our foreign policy has been awol.. hey, just like Bush!
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