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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:44 AM
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Did the Obama team fumble the preparation for the huge Portland waterfront rally today?
I caught the first part of the speech carried on CNN and got the distinct impressions that Obama was unfocused.

He was not delivering his call to hope and change with the kind of coherence and passion that I would have expected of a leader seeking to move such a mass of humanity to commitment and action.

Is he preoccupied with the particulars of the town-hall sessions he is doing? Or distracted by the unity negotiations with the Clinton team? Has his team been cowed by Clinton’s criticisms of “Big Speaches?” Whatever the reason, I think it is a disservice to the large crowds that come out to his rallies when he is unprepared to deliver substance with clarity and coherence the way his foot soldiers have come to expect.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:47 AM
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1. lol, nobody has expressed any disappointment
But nice try I guess.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:54 AM
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3. Great! I caught the first part shown on CNN and was concerned
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:47 AM
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2. I like you
You're funny.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:30 AM
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6. Which classic rock group is that in your post?
I think it's ELO(Electric Light Orchestra)but I could be wrong.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:33 AM
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7. You're correct
They made magic music.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:45 AM
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10. Jeff Lynde is a God
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:56 AM
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23. would that be
"Strange Magic"???

hehehe, sorry, couldn't resist..I love ELO..
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:05 AM
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30. Indeed.....lol.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:22 AM
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35. yep, that song is now
stuck in my head....
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:40 AM
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13. I have lived long enough so that ELO is considered classic rock.
Sigh......
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:15 AM
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28. That's one of the main benefits
of not being young - all that beautiful music across the years.:hi:
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:57 AM
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4. silly, silly comment
Edited on Mon May-19-08 03:59 AM by PretzelWarrior
compared to what? Bush? no contest. Kerry? Ummm....sorry, but I'd rather take the pauses here and there as he organizes his thoughts for his next spoken words than the up and down stentorian voice from 2004.

And I definitely appreciate it more than Hillary's gruff sounds and sometimes wishy washy platitudes.

Maybe there is something tough about addressing such a diaspora of people sort of continuing endlessly into the horizon. Maybe it is difficult to speak as though he's at the convention when he's at the tail end of a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggg primary season full of travel and speeches and this in an 85 degree or above day for 20 to 30 minutes of speaking.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:44 AM
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8. A crowd that size can be pretty intimidating I would think
Even to a practiced speaker. Maybe Obama was overwhelmed by his own popularity.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:21 AM
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16. Even with large crowds, he is used to building rapport with the audience.
That would be almost impossible in that situation. I bet the people there were thrilled.
He had 20,000+ on the banks of our river in Austin last year. It was great.
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:27 AM
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18. they alll just went to an open air church on Sunday.....to see the preacher
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:03 AM
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5. Wow. Impressive desperation
how sad.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:44 AM
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9. But cali, they're very concerned for our candidate
:eyes:
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:48 AM
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11. In a word, no. It was a fine speech IMHO. ~nt~
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:59 AM
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12. what nonsense. I'm am amazed at the ridiculous attacks we see on Obama
This is STUPID. There's no other way to say it.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:05 AM
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14. It's because he just finished having cocaine-fueled gay muslim sex.
Cut the brother a break, won't ya? :crazy:
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:07 AM
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26. why am I looking at this?
?
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:07 AM
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15. Thanks for your 'concern'. EOM.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:26 AM
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17. Was that on today's blog call? nt
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:39 AM
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19. They werent prepared at Woodstock either
but it still made history.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:40 AM
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20. it's harder in the open air - you don't get the same acoustic feedback as indoors
He picked up speed later on... I think he made a decision to ignore the lack of feedback and keep moving.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:12 AM
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33. Why the fuck are you even dignifying this stupidity?
The Hillarians are flinging shit because they're depressed about the rally. Don't even grant them their asinine premise. There was nothing wrong with the speech. Obama was amazed, as any normal human being would be, to see such a crowd. It's called an authentic response to an occasion. The Hillarians, trained in faux authenticity for damn near 16 years, are completely unable to recognize such a thing, and almost always chalk it up to poor political gamesmanship. The OP might as well have said "Obama wasn't fake enough in Portland," because that's what they're really saying.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:44 AM
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38. Because it was an honest question. Are you a newbie to label me a Hillary supporter??
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:57 AM
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41. You Are A Newbie Even With A Disabled Profile We Smell You
Honest question my ass. Fucking stupid flame baiting is more like it. And if you have to question who AM is you REALLY haven't been paying attention.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:45 AM
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21. Yeah, thanks for your concern.
:sarcasm:
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:52 AM
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22. I think there were some problems with the sound system.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 06:52 AM by alteredstate
The crowd noise was turned off on the CNN broadcast, so there were periods of silence while Senator Obama waited for the cheering to subside. This made Obama's speech seem disjointed. And the crowd was so huge and loud that one of the reporters (from CNN or MSNBC --- not sure which network) said he couldn't even hear himself speaking.

I don't think the 75,000 rally attendees were disappointed. The only thing I'm "concerned" about is about CNN's poor production of this record-breaking event.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:24 AM
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36. Thanks for the informative data. I noticed something seemed to be distracting him
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:00 AM
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24. I thought it was a great speech...
very much like his other speeches. it was a little weird to not hear the crowd noise...but you KNEW it was there.
I thought he hit all his points, I do wish MSM would pan the crowd during those speeches--but I think they have their cameras locked on the candidate.
but overall dynamic, inspiring, motivational, as always!!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:05 AM
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25. Who knows and really -- who cares? The Democratic frontrunner came to
town and 75,000 people showed up. Not a bad Sunday afternoon on the campaign trail if you ask me.

Woodstock wasn't exactly an anticipated event, at least in terms of attendance numbers. But it is celebrated as a landmark rock concert and the specifics of anticipation and planning had nothing to do with how good Hendrix and The Who performed.

Obama's Portland event yesterday was a smashing success.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:08 AM
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27. Not recommended.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:21 AM
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29. Yep. It's Hillary's to lose after that debacle.
:eyes: :nopity: :crazy:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:13 AM
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34. ROFL
The contortions are truly amazing, aren't they?
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:06 AM
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31. I was There
It was the third time I've heard Obama speak in person and it was the best I've seen him. He was at the top of his game.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:26 AM
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37. Great to know. I only saw the first part covered by CNN balot bowl and I seemed jerky
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:09 AM
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32. Oh my God...
It's official everybody! The most laughable spin of the primary season has been achieved, and there's no topping it.

Obama gets 75,000 people to a rally in Portland, with pictures of a massive crowd swamping the internets. And the Hillarians suggest it is a bad thing. Remarkable. Truly a remarkable ability to bullshit just about anything.

:rofl:
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:47 AM
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39. It was his stump speech and maybe he could have thrown more details, etc. into it
but I thought he did well. It was brief and it looked fairly hot there. Maybe he was overheated? Surprised at the turnout? like I said, I think he did well but no, it wasn't his greatest speech.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:47 AM
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40. Here ... Grasp on to one of these:
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