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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:54 AM
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Obama: No Victory Declaration Tuesday
MILWAUKIE, Ore. – Concerned about appearing presumptuous or antagonistic towards Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama will not declare victory in the Democratic nomination fight Tuesday in the event he wins enough pledged delegates to claim a majority.

Rather, he’ll tiptoe right up to the line, without explicitly asserting the race is over.

While it may sound like an exercise in hair-splitting, the conscious decision not to declare victory is a revealing measure of the sensitivity surrounding overtures that appear to disrespect Clinton and her supporters.

It’s also a reflection of the Obama campaign’s supreme confidence in the delegate math at this juncture—the campaign now appears secure enough in its commanding position that it no longer feels compelled to declare victory in an attempt to marginalize Clinton.

That marks a departure from the stance the Obama campaign took after his blowout win in North Carolina and narrow loss in Indiana May 6.

An Obama senior adviser, who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, told Politico the next day: "On May 20, we’re going to declare victory.”

Three days after those contests, Obama hinted that amassing the majority of pledged delegates following Tuesday’s Kentucky and Oregon primary elections meant his campaign could claim victory.

“That will be an important day,” Obama told NBC’s Brian Williams when asked if he would declare victory after the May 20 Kentucky and North Carolina primaries. “If at that point we have the majority of pledged delegates, which is possible, then I think we can make a pretty strong claim that we’ve got the most runs and it’s the ninth inning and we’ve won.”

The NBC quote was widely interpreted as a move by Obama to end to the race, but context was missing: He went on to state that he wants to “let this play out.”

After an ABC News blog used Obama’s NBC quote to question whether he was making a “huge miscalculation,” the campaign sought a clarification, which was posted, saying Obama was not talking about winning the nomination but rather an “important metric.”

Indeed, Obama aides have spent the last week trying to reverse the perception that he will declare victory May 20 – saying instead that he will simply recognize a milestone – in an attempt at message shifting that underscores the sensitive nature of this phase of the campaign.

When asked again Wednesday whether he still planned to declare victory following the results from Oregon and Kentucky, Obama dispatched the suggestion with a cool stare.

“We will declare that we have the majority of pledged delegates,” Obama said, giving the question only three seconds of his time before pivoting towards the front cabin of his campaign plane.

Obama said Sunday that he has not sent mixed messages.

“What we have consistently said is that we will have the majority of pledged delegates at that point and obviously ware going to make the argument to any superdelegates remaining that we should be the nominee,” Obama said. “But until those pledged delegates actually commit to us, we won't have achieved that number yet."

Although not declaring victory, Obama is returning to Iowa May 20, the state that launched his campaign, offering a symbolic bookend to the primary season. He acknowledged Sunday that holding his rally there Tuesday was a “terrific way to kind of bring things full circle.”

more at link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10438.html
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:04 AM
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1. Once again, we need to coddle the fucked up candidate who is so unbalanced or hateful she
needs to be handled with kid gloves.

IT.IS.INSANE.

She has a problem.

Her inability to let go is allowing the mediawhores and GOP to create an appearance of a rift within the Democratic party.

She is keeping her supporters from moving on.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:07 AM
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2. It's bizarre.
Obama knows he won it. Hillary knows he won it. The fact that she will not be honest with her supporters that it is indeed unwinnable for her shows how little she cares for the people.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:09 AM
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3. She could publicly SAY "yes, Obama is the candidate but I'm going to rally people til primaries are
over" and just hold her rallies in smaller venues.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:16 AM
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6. Did you read the article?
The title may say that Obama is not going to declare victory, but the body of the article makes it clear that he is.

He will be in Iowa doing the end-zone dance on Tuesday. He just won't say he is because he knows if he says it in advance it makes him look like an arrogant asshole. Even Karl Rove cautioned him about that.

But he will be there, and the rally will just happen to look like a victory celebration, and Obama will be all, "Oh, look at what the people did, Aw, shucks."

The MSM will have a collective orgasm.

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:24 AM
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10. Tweety's legs will be tingling
and KO will be swooning
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:26 AM
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11. NO, not swooning...KO will be on his knees.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:28 AM
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12. Dang, it's not gonna fool you, huh?
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:23 PM
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24. ahhh, you seem so sad.
Does some one need a hug?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:12 AM
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4. Put that in your pipe and smoke it...
...in the Clinton's face.

A non-declarative proclamation of "victory":)
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:14 AM
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5. wink wink.
We can't declare victory, but you know what the score is. wink wink.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:18 AM
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8. blink blink
It's really kind of like the end of a close basketball game. We're just waiting for the free throw shots to add up...
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:17 AM
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7. Just listened to Wolfson, it's enough to make you puke
Popular vote, Florida, Michigan to be seated at 100%, Obama gets zero out of Michigan, they have the popular vote lead, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, bunch of whiners.... seriously....

Play by the rules and win or lose like an adult, but, first, you might want to understand the rules, just saying...
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:20 AM
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9. That's asking a lot of these...
...damn grifters.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:34 AM
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13. If I was HIllary Clinton and running as a strong woman candidate,
I'd be mortified to be cast as the victim in this primary race. And that's what they're doing.....giving her victim status.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:29 AM
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14. Iowa is the equivalent of pouring gatorade on the coach
There is 1 minute 30 seconds left on the clock the other team has no timeouts and is down by two touchdowns.

All you have to do from here is take 3 knees which is exactly what he's doing.
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:52 AM
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15. Thats BS!
I can understand why Obama may choose to go that route but, what about the supporters that have been behind him through this long Primary. This isn't about Hillary NOT winning it's about US winning. This is about putting the best candidate forward to beat McCain in the fall and restore Democratic values back to this country. Not about her. Let Hillary and her supporters join in the party. We are all winners if a Democrat goes in. We got plenty of beer and all the party hats we need. B-)

This childish inmaturity has to stop. It's getting ridiculous, really. If some of the Hillary supporters think it's depressing to loose to Obama wait until we loose to McCain? This is a National campaign in case no one has noticed. The stakes of loosing to another pro corporate, war mongering, Bush wannabe are too high to be playing elementary school recess games.

If a face needs a rubbing let the Obama and Hillary supporters do it to the Republicans. They'll be the loosers, not us. America will WIN!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:06 AM
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18. Sorry
After watching her and her confetti showers the past 2 months Obama and his supporters have earned a victory party and we are going to have it.

We can celebrate the party like you said at the convention.
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:13 AM
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19. In essence thats what I'm saying.
It's BS to be asked not to have a show of victory. My point was Hillary supporters can sit in the dust or ride in the wagon.

And all this frappin' sexism and shit just see it for what it is and it's bullcrap. Obama has bent over backwards to placate the Hillary supporters. I haven't always been real nice about Hillary but don't vote for me?

Let her drop her confetti. Have you seen anyone make it to the WH on confetti yet? Look at the crowds in Oregon yesterday. Thats what gets you to the WH.

Give her the confetti. She can sit around and sprinkle confetti while Obama takes this country into the future and change Washington from the stagnant money tree it once was to a place of hope and voice it should be. No confetti is going to stop this train my friend, despite the "it's her turn" crowds best efforts.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:55 AM
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16. He needs to be willing to Declare Victory on the 3rd tho.
We do NOT need to be going to the convention.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:00 AM
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17. If Hillary were a man, this would not be happening.
NO ONE is allowed to tell her it's time to quit, especially Obama, for fear of appearing to 'push her out' showing 'lack of respect' and just plain 'being mean'. The only reason for this is the fact she's female.

A male opponent would have been told in no uncertain terms - it's time to go.

Hillary is getting kid glove treatment and she's milking it for everything it's worth.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:15 AM
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20. And, yet again, we need to Be Extra Nice to the whining, selfish poutbags.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 10:15 AM by Occam Bandage
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:20 PM
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22. You mean the extraordinary politician whose support he needs to win the GE? He'd better be nice.
Thank God he's smarter than many of his supporters here, or there's very little chance of the Dems taking back the White House in November.

Hillary is running an historic primary race, and proving how much support there is for a woman candidate for president.

She is revving up interest in politics, after years of low turnout.

She's received nearly as many votes as he has.

And if the situation were reversed, I don't think Obama's supporters would feel he should give up, and I'd be objecting to anyone saying he should.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:22 PM
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23. No, I'm pretty sure she/he means the whining, selfish poutbags.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 02:23 PM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: And crediting her with the high turnout is one of the stupidest things I've seen.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:49 PM
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27. Do you give Obama ANY credit for high voter turnout? Then Clinton is owed the same credit.
Unless this is one more example of the double standard we see all too often in Obama supporters.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:57 PM
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21. Kick
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:27 PM
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25. Oh My Gawd. Obama is so scared of hurting "tough" Hillary's feelings.
Just let her keep attacking and bringing your poll numbers down in the upcoming states.

Sad...

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:46 PM
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26. I am still hoping he will say something about victory on Wed May 21 at the St. Pete Times Forum....
where I will be to see and hear it if and when he might do so.
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