Geraldine Ferraro might not vote for Obama-"He's terribly sexist"

[Rob_4_Obama]

Good riddance.

I found this over at Mark Halperin's website.

Sorry try this link:
http://thepage.time.com/

Ferraro: I Might Not Vote for Obama

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1984 Democratic veep candidate and Clinton backer tells the NY Times: “I think Obama was terribly sexist.” Permalink

No madam, as your 1988 comments about Jessie Jackson and your 2008 comments about Barack Obama show, you are "terribly racist."

I am stunned that such a major figure in democratic politics could say something like this.

Is she voting for Johm Mccain then?

[CreekDog]

1. Ferraro is a major something

but Democrat was not the word I was thinking of. :think:

[Phx_Dem]

38. Good.

Then she can accept part of the responsibility for allowing Roe v Wade to be overturned by McCain's conserverative Supreme Court. He could get as many as 3 Supreme Court appointments. Feel good about that, Geraldine? You selfish twit. :cry:


(Mrs. Phx_Dem)

[cali]

2. She's really pathetic.

Sad to see her so petty and dishonest. She's such a has been wannabe.

[ORDem]

76. What is more sexist than voting for the repeal of Roe v. Wade? Which is exactly

what you would be doing by voting for McCain or withholding your vote.

huh? :eyes:

[Dawgs]

3. IOW, 'Obama is sexist because he should have moved out of the way and let Hillary win'

Unfortunately, I think a lot of Hillary supporters feel this way.

[AllentownJake]

4. Meh

She couldn't win two PRIMARIES for Senate in NY after her spot on the ticket in 1984. She has no following and she is a nobody in the party at this point.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

5. Ferraro probably didn't even vote for herself in 1984

After all, if Mondale wasn't so sexist, he would have let HER have the top spot.

[gateley]

6. Did she actually SAY she might not vote for Obama --

or is that someone reading into the sexist remark? The link doesn't work.

I've gotten so that unless I see an actual quote, I assume it's the reporters spin on the story. Fool me once... :)

[yourguide]

8. Link to the NY Times article

it's there, shamefully.

[gateley]

22. I was honestly hoping this was someone just reading into her

sexist statement. This is SO wrong. Not that many people would care, but what's happened to our party showing solidarity? :grr:

[Adelante]

7. Who cares?

But welcome to DU :hi:

[CoffeeCat]

9. Does Gerry always get in the gutter for Hillary?

Wow, that Gerry Ferraro--so willing to get in the sewer when Hillary needs
some slime thrown around.

First, it was her racist comments, now she accuses Obama of being a sexist.

Gerry is a word prostitute. She'll say anything that the Clinton camp orders
her to say. Need a disgusting meme in the press....call Gerry! Need smut
bandied about on CNN....call Gerry.

She'll say anything!

What a classless, sellout, go-along, wannabe Gerry is.

[Triana]

10. Consider the source of this claim...

...that is all.

[Lerkfish]

11. your link doesn't work for me.

[Rob_4_Obama]

14. Try this-http://thepage.time.com/

http://thepage.time.com/

[Lerkfish]

26. Ok, I followed the link, and unless I missed it, their headline is misleading

I didn't catch where it said she wouldn't vote for him... I think she probably DID say that, hence the headline, but I missed it in the actual story on first read.

[iamthebandfanman]

12. and voting for a woman because shes a woman isnt sexist? n/t

[Alexander]

13. We all know now Ferraro's a racist. Have people been projecting their own racism as sexism?

I have to wonder if the Clinton fans who scream sexism at the top of their lungs are really secretly racists like Ferraro, projecting their hatred onto others.

[Eric Condon]

28. "Secretly" racist? Oh, it's no secret.

Go lurk sometime at Hillaryclintonforum.net and get some insight into the minds of these people. There are a good many whom I wouldn't welcome into my own home.

[redstate_democrat]

15. Geritol Ferraro is a pathetic loser of a person. She should be shunned out of polite society for

stupidity and racism.

[Rob_4_Obama]

17. Yeah she spews hatred

And has for 20 years.

Remember her TV appearances in March "I think he's sexist. HOW'S THAT?"

Again, good riddance.

[sfam]

19. She HAS been shunned out of polite society. She's on Fox!

What more of an indication do you want?

[dkf]

16. She takes the honor of being the first female VP nominee and turns it into ashes.

She cries wolf and makes it harder for women who are truly held down by sexism to make a credible claim.

She is doing women no justice here.

[Cha]

54. hilary didn't do so hot

with her scortched earth policy this time around and it's not over.

[stevietheman]

18. I seem to recall she was part of a ticket that lost nearly the whole country to Reagan.

Should we even be listening to this woman?

[Rob_4_Obama]

20. My thoughts exactly-n/t

[gristy]

21. Ah, another short timer who is "shocked, shocked I tell you"

Maybe you missed her comment in March: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position"
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/ferraro-comment.html

[Occam Bandage]

23. According to Hillary supporters, "sexist" means "not as flagrantly sexist as I am,"

since "X is sexist" most often means "X does not give HRC a free pass / free vote because of the nature of her genitals."

[Stop Cornyn]

24. I'm sure that there are not a few senior citizens afraid change who will vote for the old white guy

instead of the first multi-racial president who promises change.

Geraldine Ferraro is just another person who feels this way. If Hillary had been nominated, there would be a certain contingency of senior citizens afraid change who would vote for the old male candidate instead of the first female president. If Richardson had been nominated, there would be a certain contingency of senior citizens afraid change who would vote for the old white candidate instead of the first Latino president.

We can't let such agents of intolerance dictate out vote.

[Annces]

25. He could be sexist

and she be racist. They could both be true. And that article has one sentence about Ferraro, so why even link it. You are just trying to make something out of nothing, which makes you the person who is not credible for such a flimsy argument. Vapid.

[Lerkfish]

27. I've only seen direct evidence of one of those claims

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[LTR]

30. She used gender to further her own ambitions

Does anyone really think Mondale would have picked a two-term male congressman as his running mate? Of course not!

Ferraro should just go back into obscurity and hang out with her buddy Sean Hannity.

[NoodleyAppendage]

31. I might not vote for Obama..."he's black, you know...shhh." Ferraro is a RACIST ASSHOLE. n/t

J

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

32. She's such a sweetie!

I think she'll back Obama, once Hillary drops out.

Right now, we're just seeing the implosion of the Clinton camp.

:hi:

[mystieus]

33. Ferraro, one more Repub president and the Supreme Court will be right wing for a generation.

What of your rights then?

[City Lights]

34. She sounds bitter.

She's in the running for the "Bitterest Person of the Year" award.

Poor thing. :nopity:

[Cha]

55. You're right..she does come across

as bitterest of the bitter.

[Renew Deal]

35. Ferraro is terribly racist

What a joke.

[hokies4ever]

36. She can't vote for a darkie I guess

Tell her to take her racist vote and shove it where the sun don't shine. We've had enough of her bigotry for one campaign season already.

[Youphemism]

37. A bit of a double standard...

If any surrogate had gone out and accused someone in the Clinton or McCain camp of being "racist," the news would have picked up on it quickly, but they also would have asked, "Can you tell us what that candidate has done that makes you feel he or she is a racist?"

Apparently that's not true of being a sexist. If a woman calls you one, that's it. (Forget the fact you have a wife and two daughters who disagree.)

I think Ferraro is already power-negotiating for Hillary's "parting gifts."

[Crunchy Frog]

39. Wow. This makes me feel really sorry that I voted for her

in my first ever election. :puke:

[SurfingAtWork]

40. Not very wise.

Oh my, she put that quite blunt.
Why would she pull such a stunt?
She'll vote for McCain, and down bombs will rain.
She really is being unwise.

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. Why is it that feminists who get mad when sombody opens a door for them

are now mad at Obama for NOT stepping aside and opening a door for Hillary?

[democrattotheend]

51. That's a good point

Interesting way to look at it.

[paulk]

42. instead of the usual bashfest

maybe it's time some of you Obamanauts considered the implications of a former VP candidate in our party saying something like this.

There are a lot of people out there who are less than happy with the way Obama has obtained his lead in this nomination - a lot of them are women - and a lot of them see this whole process in the same way Ferraro does. You dismiss these sentiments at your peril. You attack these people at your peril. You say things like "good riddance" at your peril.

[thewiseguy]

43. Ding Ding Ding new name for Obama supporters: Obamanauts

Stay classy!

[paulk]

50. you know - I rarely resort to that sort of thing

but it seemed justified in this case. There is a certain faction of Obama supporters who deserve nothing but contempt for their continual divisiveness.

I always have to wonder about some newbie who's candidate's name is part of their tag. I have to wonder what their motives are in constantly stirring up the shitpot, in fact, I wonder if they even are really Obama supporters.

Posters like the OP are doing Obama no favors with a thread like this, which is the point I'm trying to make.

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[JI7]

60. Lieberman is a former vp candidate also

she belongs with him.

[paulk]

61. Lieberman won CT

a "blue" state - running as an independent centrist against a neophyte liberal Democratic candidate. Something else that many in the Democratic party didn't learn anything from.

[Endangered Specie]

79. You mean one that managed to lose 49 out of 50 states?

In the worst electoral defeat in the history of this nation?

Riiiight.

[paulk]

84. how is that relevant?

you're not really very good at this debate thing, are you?

[Endangered Specie]

86. Well its kinda like trusting someone who failed out of med school to operate on you...

Anything she has to say about electability and or who the best pick would be for are party isn't worth a grain of salt.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. She's a has-been supporting a soon to be has-been.

Angling for a spot in a never-to-be administration.

[Lucky 13]

46. Ugh. She's such a racist, old, mean bitty. Fuck her. nt

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

47. Can someone *please* let me know what Obama

has said or done that is sexist?

[polticalpout]

63. He didn't open up the Democratic nominee door for her? /nm

When you accuse someone of such a thing it's pure Bullshit without providing proof.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. Yeah, if you run against Hillary, you must be a sexist!

[Cha]

56. Nah, if you beat hilary

you're sexist}(

[RiverStone]

49. She seems to have a shitload of displaced anger at something...

Not sure what.

But if a former Dem party VP nominee is now saying she may not vote for our presidential nominee --- fuck the counseling, she is already way off the deep end.

[anonymous171]

52. As with a lot of Hillary's older female supporters, they project onto Obama

all the wrongs that they, as women, have been subjected to by a patriarchal society. In reality, Obama has not shown any amount of sexism on the campaign trial (with the slight exception of the "Likeable enough" comment.) The man has two daughters for crying out loud! He can't hate women that much.

[Cha]

53. Get the fuck out gerry ferraro..

racist lying idiot.

[Pushed To The Left]

57. Looks like she's following in the footsteps of Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller

I think traitor Democrats disgust me more than right wing Republicans!:mad:

[scheming daemons]

58. Fuck Geraldine Ferraro.........

She's a bitter old curmudgeon.


The absolute worst.

[EffieBlack]

59. Don't you just love it?

She throws an absolute fit when people called her on her blatantly offensive statements about Obama's race - screaming "How DARE you call me a RACIST?!" at the top of her lungs. Yet she thinks nothing of turning around and calling Obama sexist, without any basis, apparently because he had the TEMERITY to run against a woman.

[Elspeth]

62. Ferraro is "racist" because she won't vote for your guy?

That's a definition of racism that most people would not agree with. That would also mean that 90% of African Americans are racist because they won't vote for a white woman. I don't think you want to go there, and neither do I.

[polticalpout]

64. Not exactly, don't you remember her comments? ...

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."


She then claimed she was being attacked because she was white.


That's why some call her a racist.

[Elspeth]

65. And those "some" would be wrong: she's not attacking his race at all

She is explaining a political reality, and that is that his race IS a major factor in why he has gotten so much support in the Democratic party. I didn't see Kucinich getting any support AT ALL even though he spoke the truth and has done more to challenge Bush than any Dem in Congress. I didn't see Silicon Valley rushing in to help Joe Biden or even John Edwards. It is Obama's race that is adding excitement to this primary and the country IS caught up in the concept. There's nothing wrong with saying that and nothing wrong with acknowledging how people are reacting. Ferraro is not saying "Obama is black and therefore he shouldn't be president." She is just saying that the idea of Obama as a black man becoming president has taken hold on at least the Democrats. That's not racist.

You have to be careful how you define racism or suddenly racism becomes everything and it loses its real meaning. Ferraro is not the Klan: she is not trying to destroy the black race or denigrate a black candidate. She is expressing a political reality that happens to be true.

[U4ikLefty]

67. This post is one of the biggest loads of bullshit I've seen in a while

pathetic & sad...not reality.

[Elspeth]

69. No argument, just crude opinion. Are you sure you're not Republican?

I thought Democrats had better minds than that, but there is always that pesky No Child Left Behind. Ah well...

[polticalpout]

68. The only reason Hillary is where she's at is because she's a woman

You don't find that to be the least bit sexist? She's telling us (Obama supporters) that's he's where he's at because he's a black guy. That's very insulting. He's where he's at because his message of change and how he presents it. What exact "concept" is the nation caught up in..a black man running for President? That's a "concept"??? Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton have already been there. She might not be racist but she is certainly ignorant. Don't forget her follow up statement, "they are attacking me because I'm white", are fk'ing kidding me?

[Elspeth]

70. Hillary Clinton is where she is because she a Clinton and has the Clinton machine

behind her. She has name recognition, some experience, some infamy (mostly related to health care and her philandering hubby), and the toughest guts in politics, having been the object of more hatred and political mudslinging than all the other Dem candidates combined.

Her being a woman makes her stand out to some women, not all. It does not help her very much with Democratic men (who prefer a male, at least from the figures I have seen recently) and it does nothing for her with African Americans, 90% of whom won't vote for her because she is white.


So Clinton is where she is DESPITE her gender, not because of it.

Barack on the other hand attracts people because of his race. He has 90% of the black vote, automatically. He has the majority of the male vote (black and white) in many places, like Oregon. He has major stars like Oprah out campaigning for him, paying money to bus in college voters. Ferraro is correct that Barack's race is a big part of his support at this point. There are other reasons too: he speaks well and seems to get along with people. He is young. Those things are appealing in themselves. But the idea of the first African American president IS the big impetus behind him. If he were white, his lack of experience would have been commented upon already and he might have lost to Edwards and Clinton.

Ferraro, BTW, is not ignorant. She is along time politico and knows what she is looking at. She also, as the first female VP candidate back in the 80s, knows what the presidential race is like for women. She was crucified BTW, not so much for her gender but because she was ITALIAN American. The Reagan White House (who constantly had mob-tied Frank Sinatra over for dinner) accused Ferraro's husband of mob connections. He didn't have them. You want to talk racist? THAT was really anti-Italian. But that's ok. If Ferraro had been black and her husband had been accused of gang ties, all hell would have broken loose and people would be charging racism. But because it's just Italian-American, it was ok, you see.

So be careful about the assumptions you make.

[polticalpout]

73. That's very one sided of you.

Clinton is there despite being a woman and Obama is there because he's black, please again very insulting and one sided.

First off let cover a few things. Being black and running for president is not a "concept" as Ferraro claims nor is it new (see Jessie Jackson and Sharpton please). Obama has name experience (from his convention speech 4 years ago), political office experience (more than Hillary, I don't count being a first lady as that would give Pickles many years of experience), and unwavering and unbending message of change one that refuses politics of the old run by interest groups. This is why, despite being black in a nation that 143 years ago allowed blacks to be property of white folks, he now finds himself on the brink of the nomination unlike the black men who ran before him.

Ferraro seems to have racial glasses on and this is proven by her statements that she was "being attacked for being white", that a black man runnign for president is a "concept", and that Obama is only there because he is black. Ferraro was attacked for making insulting and false assumptions like yourself. and now she says he's a sexist??

Quick fact: Blacks make up about 12.5% of the population, Whites 74%. Obama has won over 60% of the contests.

[baldguy]

She's as old & blind & bitter as McCain

She might as well vote for him.

[RBInMaine]

66. This old bag has lost her marbles.

[Seabiscuit]

71. Geraldine Ferraro is just telling like it is. Get over it, hypocrites.

[StevieM]

72. Good for her. I can't blame her for not wanting to vote for an awful human being like Obama (eom)

[polticalpout]

74. " Awful human being " How Bitter, Sore, and Ugly of You. /nm

nm

[Endangered Specie]

80. So will you vote for this awful human being? or for mccain?

[StevieM]

82. Sadly, I'm still deciding. I don't think either of them should be president.

McCain has the wrong ideas, and Obama is totally undeserving and unqualified.

Steve

[Endangered Specie]

83. So winning more delegates, states, and votes... makes one undeserving?

You did notice this was democraticunderground... not undecidedunderground btw.

[StevieM]

85. Saying he won more states is meaningless. She has won more congressional districts. Neither matters.

She has gotten more votes, and after Puerto Rico that will be true even excluding Michigan.

According to the rules of the board I have until one week after Obama is officially declared the nominee to remain at DU. When that time comes I will bid a fond farewell and let you guys do the McGovern thing.

Steve

[Jed Dilligan]

75. And McCain is a paragon of feminism

:wtf:

[HooptieWagon]

77. Its sad...

.. that hillary and her surregates are dividing the Democratic Party along racial lines. I thought we were long past that. I guess when it comes to unrestrained ambition, the "kitchen sink" contains the race card. Pathetic... Ferraro should be thrown out on her ass, and hillary/DLC should be banished to the wastebin with the rest of the unrecyclable white trash. Remember, the delegates are watching and hearing... and they can't be liking it.

[True_Blue]

78. Hold on sweetie

I wonder why she would think that?

[Raine]

81. Bitter old racist

she can fuck off! :grr:

[dcindian]

87. Face it she won't vote for him because he is black.

I think the projection of her own hate is a cover for her racist views. Hillary sure knows how to destroy a party.