"Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything."

[jenmito]

-Hillary Clinton, regarding Michigan. 'Nuff said.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. Terry McAuliffe in 2003:

http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/terry-mcauliffe-sang-different-tune.html

Move your primary too early, Terry McAuliffe warned, and Michigan will lose half its delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention.

"The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television," McAuliffe vowed. "I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules."

Michigan Democrats backed down. McAuliffe's hard-line stance prevented a free-for-all among competing states that year, and it set the tone for future mutinies.

[jenmito]

2. Yup-just more hypocrisy from the Hillary camp. Here's another one:

"So from my perspective, you get up every day and you get out there and you make your case and you reach as many people as possible. That's what I intend to do, so I'm in it for the long run. It's not a very long run. It'll be over by February 5th.”

[helderheid]

4. You mean, she didn't REALLY give a shit about anyone's vote after Super Tuesday?

Shocking!

:sarcasm:

edit: typo

[jenmito]

7. That's right. She STILL doesn't count ANY caucus states when she claims she is ahead in the popular

vote!

[helderheid]

3. Oh the hypocrisy!

[jenmito]

5. The worst part is that so many people buy their new spin!

[rucky]

22. KO needs to see this. n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. Should be pinned to the top of GD-P. nt

[jenmito]

8. As a permanent reminder? I agree.

:D Thanks.

[Forkboy]

9. The Hillary supporters upset would have a case if they actually cared BEFORE she needed those votes.

As it is it's clear that like the sexism issue, they don't really care until it hurts them personally.

[helderheid]

10. it's just sad.

[jenmito]

14. Exactly. It's nothing more than desperation.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. well it's not "nuff said"

it was her estimation of things at the time - not a binding contract.

And it doesn't matter what ANYBODY said about it - it will have to be resolved if we want any hope of winning those states in November.

[jenmito]

12. Yes it is-to anyone who's being intellectually honest...

It wasn't an "estimation." It was a statement of fact after signing a PLEDGE re: MI.

Don't worry-Obama went to MI last week to start to smooth things over in Nov.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. Well, as you know, the pledge

didn't say anything about excluding the states. It was a pledge not to campaign there, but there's no use in having this argument for the 1000th time.

But the fact is, whatever she said about it was an estimation, not a binding declaration.

[jenmito]

16. Are you saying her words don't mean anything? They're "just words"? MI (and FL) broke

the rules. They held their primaries before they were supposed to. Hillary agreed with the other Dems. that they should be punished for breaking the rules.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. I'm saying it's a lousy

argument for disenfranchising two states. The voters of those states aren't bound by statements a candidate makes.

[jenmito]

23. Then why did she say it won't count for anything? Is that respecting the

voters? Give it a rest-she planned on wrapping up the nomination Feb. 5th, therefore having NO states after that having their voices heard.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. My point is that what she said is entirely irrelevant

Obama said he would "do right by Florida voters", too. Nobody's saying that's a binding declaration.

[jenmito]

35. Says YOU. What she said and what she signed are entirely RELEVANT unless she's allowed

to lie or say ANYTHING that's convenient for her at the time. "Doing right by FL voters" means WHAT to you???

[Arugula Latte]

19. So it, to paraphrase Bill, it depends on what the the definition of "doesn't count" is

:rofl:

[SoonerPride]

27. You know she signed a binding pledge don't you?

Once again, you are wrong.

[roguevalley]

32. so her word means nothing at any time no matter what. too bad.

this just reinforces her liar reputation.

[Terran]

40. That's just silly

it will have to be resolved if we want any hope of winning those states in November.

Only people like DU posters care about primaries. Normal people want their vote to count in GE's for President, very much so, but not having primary votes counted is not going to make any reasonable Dem vote for McCain (or not vote at all) in November. It just ain't gonna happen.

[Zachstar]

13. Bingo!

[Terri S]

17. She must think no one is paying attention

Hillary Flashback: Michigan election not going to count

Sen. Hillary Clinton, New Hampshire Public Radio, Thursday, October 11, 2007:

NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg">link

DNC Chairman Howard Dean
Letter to Democratic Presidential Candidates
August 31, 2007

As the leader of the Democratic Party, I strongly urge you to adhere to the 2008 Delegate Selection Rules...
The 2008 Delegate Selection Rules adopted by the full DNC at its August 2006 meeting clearly provide that only 4 states - Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina - may hold their respective contests prior to February 5, 2008. The findings of Non-Compliance included a 100% loss of pledged and unpledged delegates.


Hillary Clinton Campaign
September 1, 2007

Clinton Campaign
Statement On The
Four State Pledge

We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=KmUVr_Qt2Wg">link


I am sick to death with this whole subject. I live in FL. I know who is responsible for disenfranchising me, and it was my state's democratic leadership. Hillary Clinton does not get to change the rules mid-stream. She agreed to these rules. She had NO PROBLEM with any of it when she was the coronated front runner and thought she'd have it all sown up on Super Tuesday. Split the damn delegates if you must, but Hillary Clinton cannot change the rules whenever it suits her. We've had 7 1/2 years of a president who spits on the rule of law and thinks he's above all that. The DNC either stands for the rules EVERYONE AGREED ON or they don't stand for anything at all.

[Perry Logan]

20. Are we ready for a First Lady who wanted to tear out the eyes of a previous Democratic President?

What a classy start for the new era!

[jenmito]

26. Are we ready for a First "Laddy" who wanted every woman in Washington?

Classy.

[msallied]

28. Pay attention. We're electing a President here.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

39. She should obliterate Iran instead.

[anonymous171]

44. Yes. nt

[anigbrowl]

46. You're a disgrace to the memory of Max Headroom.

[Crunchy Frog]

21. She was against it before she was for it.

[TexasObserver]

24. Imagine a professional team claiming the preseason games counted.

Hillary relies upon the stupidity of her own supporters when she floats those lines about Florida and Michigan, because only someone with limited thinking ability would BUY her stupid storyline about counting those ballots.

[jenmito]

29. Sadly, her supporters ARE the "less-educated." She takes full advantage of that.

She has no shame.

[TexasObserver]

34. she knows her constituency is ignorant, and she uses that

[jenmito]

36. Exactly!

[msallied]

25. But but but... It's all Obama's fault!

He took his name off the ballot!

:eyes:

[jenmito]

31. Yeah-that's what they say now. HE chose to take his name off the ballot "to pander to Iowa and NH."

:eyes:

[4themind]

38. Then what was she doing when she signed the pledged?

Seriously...

[kenny blankenship]

30. Actually she meant that about the entire primary process. Just crown her already

Before the suicide bombers descend on the convention.

[DemGa]

37. Any context with this quote?

[jenmito]

41. Here ya go:

NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything."

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=zydzt

[DemGa]

42. Thanks!

[jenmito]

43. No problem!

[DemGa]

45. In fairness though

The quote is still just a bit selective - it might be good to hear Clinton's remarks that follow for the full meaning.

Nonetheless, thanks.

[jenmito]

47. Sorry-I could only post what's out there.

YW. :hi: