Two Top Columnists Question Obama's DNA and "Full-blooded" Americanism

[helderheid]

Greg Mitchell

Liberal bloggers and commenters at The Washington Post op-ed section are rightly criticizing a column this week by syndicated scribe Kathleen Parker that questions Barack Obama's "deep-seated" Americanism. But she is only following the footsteps of Peggy Noonan of the Wall Street Journal who raised similar issues three weeks ago -- and was praised by NBC's Brian Williams for a "Pulitzer" worthy effort.

Noonan wrote then:

Hillary Clinton is not Barack Obama's problem. America is Mr. Obama's problem...Has he ever gotten misty-eyed over... the Wright Brothers and what kind of country allowed them to go off on their own and change everything? How about D-Day, or George Washington, or Henry Ford, or the losers and brigands who flocked to Sutter's Mill, who pushed their way west because there was gold in them thar hills?

Henry Ford was a vicious anti-Semite, but no matter. For Noonan continued:

John McCain carries it in his bones. Mr. McCain learned it in school, in the Naval Academy, and, literally, at grandpa's knee....


Mr. Obama? What does he think about all that history? Which is another way of saying: What does he think of America? That's why people talk about the flag pin absent from the lapel. They wonder if it means something. Not that the presence of the pin proves love of country -- any cynic can wear a pin, and many cynics do. But what about Obama and America? Who would have taught him to love it, and what did he learn was lovable, and what does he think about it all?...

No one is questioning his patriotism, they're questioning its content, its fullness.

No one? And surely not Peggy Noonan. And, of course, Obama has spoken about why he loves American often and at great length, if Noonan might have noticed if she was paying attention.

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[Ian David]

1. That does it... Chief Thunderpony for President! n/t

[Coexist]

2. that is actually quite silly

I have never gotten misty-eyed over the Wright Brothers, even when I stood on the field at Kill Devil Hills. I just thought it was cool.

[tularetom]

5. Yeah, and I couldn't manage much enthusiasm for Henry Ford either

when the transmission fell out of one of his piece of shit cars and left me sitting on a deserted road in Wyoming in 100 degree heat.

[grantcart]

11. well his early support of Hitler would take him off many lists

[tularetom]

12. Yeah there was that, too

He wasn't very subtle about it either.

[hokies4ever]

10. Terrorist!

or is it fascist? I can't remember, but I'm calling on you to reject and denounce your anti-American statement of not getting misty-eyed over the Wright Brothers. :rofl:

:sarcasm:

[Coexist]

20. just generally unelectable, I guess!

[sandnsea]

65. Change the constitution for Ahnold

But question the "Americanism" of a natural born citizen. They're insane.

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Yep

I've been saying for months that will be the main line of attack against Obama - portray him insufficiently "American". Look at what's being used against him - flag pins, "never been proud of my country", "god damn America", etc. etc.

[FredScuttle]

15. And yet he will win the nomination and then the GE

Funny that. Thanks for your "concern"

[MonkeyFunk]

28. I didn't say anything to the contrary

I observed the nature of the attacks being used against him, and noted there's a pattern. In fact, I noted the pattern months ago and posted about it here. It seems I've been proven correct.

There's nothing wrong with paying attention to such things. I'm not endorsing their line of atttack - I'm just noting it for what it is. What's wrong with that?

[FredScuttle]

32. I'm sure you have no problem then when I "note" that if Hillary Clinton is elected in the GE

Her husband will be running around the White House like a southern-fried Tom Jones, grabbing various staff and subjecting them to lewd and deviant attacks from the Clenis. Just noting that would be the line of attack.

[MonkeyFunk]

35. There' s a difference

In your example, YOU'RE using the attack.

I never said Obama was insufficiently American - not at all. Not even close. You made that up.

Do you agree or disagree that the republican line of attack will be based on his perceived "americanism"? YOu're just derailing this thread with your ridiculous accusations.

[FredScuttle]

39. How am I "using" the attack if I'm noting it?

No different from the bullshit you're pulling here:

YOU: The line of attack against Obama is that he's anti-American, by way of the lapel pin, Pastor Wright, Michelle saying "I've never been proud of my country"

ME: The line of attack against Hillary is that we'll be placing a sex maniac in the Oval Office who will be raping interns before the Inagural Address is finished.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. No, you didn't say that

you said if YOU note that Bill will be horn-dogging his way through the White House....

That's not the same.

Nonetheless, your accusation is ridiculous, and anybody reading what I wrote would know you just made it up.

Now, about the actual content of what I wrote - do you agree or disagree that that's the line of attack they'll be using?

[FredScuttle]

45. Who the fuck cares about the line of attack they'll be using?

For all I care, you're going to see "Curious Obama" shirts on sale outside the RNC...

My question is: what say you about this ridiculous line of attack?

[MonkeyFunk]

77. I care

I think it's smart to know what they're doing. I don't understand why you think ignorance is preferable.

[FredScuttle]

92. We know what they're going to do - appeal to the lowest common denominator

Why do we need you regurgitating that garbage here?

[MonkeyFunk]

95. I'm talking about the specific line of attack they'll use

I don't know why that bothers you so much.

[FredScuttle]

98. "I've been saying for months....the main line of attack against Obama....will be he's 'un-American'"

Yeah, we know....why have you been saying it for months if not to throw that in our faces?

[MonkeyFunk]

101. I've been saying it because

a) it's true and b) because I think it's wise to know your opponent's strategy.

You're just really really wrong that I'm attacking Obama in this thread. Sensationally wrong. Embarrassingly wrong.

[FredScuttle]

103. Your tacit endorsement of this disgusting attack is clear

You don't have say, explicitly, "I think Obama is un-American". Just continue throwing out this pathetic back-door smear of "Hey! I'm only noting what the GOP is going to throw at him.....without disagreeing or comment". You are the embarassment in this thread.

I wouldn't hesitate to knock down an untrue smear against Clinton....you can't be bothered to do the same against Barack.

[MonkeyFunk]

108. But you invented

the "tacit endorsement" out of whole cloth. There was absolutely no endorsement in what I said. You just made it up.

You think that because I'm a Clinton supporter, it means I hate Obama. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You're being absolutely ridiculous. You jumped to a really bad conclusion.

[papapi]

91. She won't be. She's finished. Kaput. Done. Over. Toast. Washed-up.

[Hola]

50. It's not original

In all respect, this 'pattern' has been standard GOP attacks since Kennedy. Remember Kerry 'Unfit for Command' + Vietnam Protests - the guy who'se done more for vets than any other senator in the senate is still thought of as a traitor by the right. Bush the dodger is the 'hero'. It would be the same thing if Clinton were running - bring up her ties to Chinese fundraisers, etc.

Dems need to be on the lookout to these attacks and defend their members.

[Cali_Democrat]

21. Thank you for your concern MonkeyFunk

What do you suggest he do about it? Or is he just screwed and we should go with Hillary because she's a "full-blooded American?" This whole line of attack is a Rethug distraction. It's not going to work in November.

[MonkeyFunk]

25. It's not "concern"

it's an observation about the types of attacks being circulated about him. If you look closely, you'll see a pattern. Gore was a liar, Kerry was a flip-flopper, and this is the line of attack they'll use against Obama.

What's wrong with noting that?

[FredScuttle]

29. Those who note it usually follow closely with a comment on how asinine it is

but, of course, you can't be bothered...

[MonkeyFunk]

33. You're being ridiculous

You're reading much more into my post than what's in there.

If you'd paid attention, I've said all along that I like both candidates, and that Obama would make a strong candidate and a fine president. Some of you just have to believe that a supporter of another candidate must hate your candidate as much as you hate mine. That's dumb.

There's absolutely NO reason whatsoever to read an endorsement of their attacks into what I wrote. That's just nuts.

[Terran]

47. Just an innocent bystander, right.

We get it. Thanks. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[Terran]

99. Wow, nice

Call me an idiot and then ask me to discuss an issue with you. Fuck off.

[MattBaggins]

51. The fact that you offer no solution

A. Do you believe the claims to be without merit?
B. What do you suggest be the counter attack?

[MonkeyFunk]

78. Start a thread

if you want to discuss those issues. I was merely making an observation.

Do you disagree with it?

[Name removed]

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[MonkeyFunk]

100. That's uncalled for

you're just absolutely wrong that I posted what I did as an attack on obama. Just really really fucking wrong.

You entirely misinterpreted it and you're being a stubborn ass about it. Now you're getting personally insulting over YOUR mistake.

[SaveAmerica]

52. And every single Hillary supporter who did not denounce those things as the garbage they are own a

piece of the lie, the smears that were allowed to slip on through because it was helpful in this primary too. Own it. Carry it with them from now on. Party to everything that happens in this campaign, in the attempt to get our country on track from this moment on. Truncated sentences intended as I'm so furious at what's happened and I'm unable in this forum to say exactly what I'd like to say to each and every one of those supporters.

[Bake]

62. Really? We own it now?

I think Obama had better own it. He'd damn well better come up with a counter-offensive (unlike Kerry, by the way) and knock it down.

Sounds like you're getting a scapegoat lined up in case McCain wins in the fall.

Bake

[Lilith Velkor]

96. Spoiler alert:

That's been the plan all along.

[grasswire]

55. don't forget his wife's statements

I would bet the right has already won this battle in the minds of middle America. Of course, they wouldn't have voted for him anyway. But the "new" voters he hoped to attract might be swayed by this line of attack.

[MediaBabe]

85. I hadn't looked at it like that

He spent his formative years, not in America, but learning allegience to a foreign way of life. "I" may not think that makes him "different" in his loyalties but I bet there are oh so many right wing fence sitters who see the problem with very clear eyes.

Yes, this is a big problem and the under the radar email campaign about it this summer and fall could be a deal ender for Obama.

"Insufficiently American." And then instead of building a loyalty to all things American for everyone to see, he spent these past twenty years in a church listening to the pastor rail about "all things bad about America."

I don't have to believe a word of it to understand that this is not good.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

106. I guess he's lost the white supremecist and KKK vote for sure

so much for representing Amerika, right?

[flpoljunkie]

4. The Republicans play dirtball politics. It's who they are. We will be ready.

[glowing]

6. You mean the McCain who was born in Panama?

Or the McCain who grew up as an Admirals son.. who had a upper hand, unlike Obama who grew up at his grandfather's knee who fought bravely the old fashioned grunt way?

Please.. the man is one huge melting pot.. how much more American can you get...

[whistler162]

16. An error in your post....

Senator McCain's father at the time Senator Obama's grandfather was a grunt was in a submarine, often described as a steel coffin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain,_Jr.

[glowing]

26. sorry..I meant McCain's father was the admiral.. and Obama's was the grunt..

didn't realize which branch.. thanks.

[whistler162]

36. No... since you mentioned Senator Obama's

grandfather was a grunt the correct reference for the time period is either

Senator McCain's Grandfather was a Admiral
Senator McCain's Father was the commander of various submarines.

What Senator McCain's Father became after the war isn't really relevant for the refernce you used.

[glowing]

97. Thank you for correcting me.. I did mean grandfather.. I think though

you understand what I meant in comparing the two.. and that these other asshat OP writers are trying to make Obama seem un-American.. while I beleive Obama captures what America is... Hard work, determination, a collective melting pot.. that was what I meant.

[Eurobabe]

27. why are you referencing wiki in defense of McInsane?

Give em heck Barry?

Which message board do you belong on? Freeper boards? :shrug:

[whistler162]

38. You do understand being accurate..

when arguing a point of view? Calling Senator McCain's father a Admiral during while referencing Senator Obama's grandfather as a grunt is inaccurate for the comparable time period.

As for the sig. Figure out the historical reference!

[Connie_Corleone]

7. And what was happening to black people during those "misty-eyed" moments in history?

[AspenRose]

31. BINGO

:applause:

[onefreespiritedchick]

48. Exactly....

It is too bad, others do not take this into consideration.

[EFerrari]

8. He's not a mindless enough nationalist for these idiots.

Good for Greg for nailing them.

[jenmito]

9. Obama has been talking about his grandfather serving in the military since 2002...

"My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain."

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

[DearAbby]

13. A black man has to PROVE he is AMERICAN

Has anyone ever questioned a White person's pride in America?

[hokies4ever]

22. Of course not, because

the white race loved America enough to enslave the black race to make her a more prosperous nation. Oh Lord, I've been listening to Rev. Wright too much. :rofl:

:sarcasm:

[Pathwalker]

34. Like Max Cleland? John Kerry? Al Gore?

It's part of the Repuke play book - hardly new. Look what they did to Sen. Max Cleland. And don't forget the Purple Heart band-aid.

[MediaBabe]

86. A seed of doubt

Not a black man - a man who spent his formative years outside of America. "I" don't have to believe it to see that it could be a real problem if Obama and his campaign do not address the issue.

[whistler162]

14. Have to agree with Noonan...

after all it isn't like Senator Obama was born and mostly grew up it a place that was attacked by a foreign country. That still bore the scares of that attack in the form of citizens who remembered. That attack and the sunken hulk of a ship sunk during that attack. :sarcasm:

[demokatgurrl]

17. These folks are "top columnists"?

I'd hate to see the bottom of the barrel.

[helderheid]

18. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[underpants]

19. Kathleen Parker made a point?

Sooner or later she had to do that...right?

I have read her columns for 10+ years because, for reasons that still escape me she is published in our local RW rag, and she never actually says anything. She must have some serious dirt on people-that is all I have been able to come up with.

She also doesn't seem to be aware that there is some serious questions about where McCain was born.

[Me.]

44. Exactly!

And whenever I've seen her on a talk show she always makes a oint of saying why the dems won't win, no matter which election

[Mrs. Overall]

23. So let's elect someone like george bush who probably thinks "Sutter's Mill" is a micro-brew.

I would love for bush to be interviewed about the details of American History. I bet he was throwing spitballs and snoozing while his teachers talked about the Civil War, Women's Suffrage, etc...

[MediaBabe]

87. Uh... We DID elect that ignorant somebody

So what's your point again?

[Mrs. Overall]

102. My point again (I can't believe you are calling me out on this) is that

if the republican pundits are so hell-bent on electing a true blooded American who knows and understands American history--can't they see the folly of their current choice, george bush, who is not the brightest bulb when it comes to history (American and World) or any matter that is remotely academic? His frat boy attitude, dating from the time he was governor of Texas, would suggest that he is incapable of getting teary-eyed over great American moments that he neither cares about nor understands.

Gee, did I get under your skin when I insulted a republican?

What's your point in needing to be spoon-fed the details of punditry and irony?

Do you work for FOX, mediababe?

[MediaBabe]

104. Christ! Who is the touchy one here ?

Does everyone here have a chip on their shoulder? Take a pill or smoke something. Everyone is not against you.

George Bush invited Ozzie Osborn to the White House for DINNER knowing that good ol Ozzie PISSED ON THE ALAMO. No, I don't believe Bush gets teary eyed over any thing American.

What the f? Republicans do not care. They throw shit anywhere and smile when we Democrats keep it in the news by going bonkers whining and defending ourselves and then Republicans whistle to the polling place and vote for a man worse than any Democrat ever born.

[Ysabel]

105. sorry no WE did not...

[Pathwalker]

24. I have a GREAT idea for "Lapel-Pin-Gate". Please read.

First, I must admit I thought it was a joke, as if one's choice of jewelry can possible determine one's patriotism. But, when I realized they were serious I came up with this idea, which I feel puts this "issue" in it's proper perspective:

Choice #1: A very large, gaudy, rhinestone encrusted pin that says: "My Lapel Pin is more Patriotic than yours." Red, white and blue. It has a hole in the top for one of those paper flags.

Choice #2: A stylized chain-link gate with "Obama '08" and a hole in the top for one of those paper flags

Choice #3: A sticker that says: "I'm too poor for a Lapel Pin, but I wanted to prove I'm more patriotic than you".

Now, all three choices come with a clearly legible "Made in China" announcement - whether they are, or not.

I'm still working on another one, made of "wood", but I need a message for it.

[helderheid]

58. OMG that's brilliant!

:rofl:

[Pathwalker]

60. Thank you. Any ideas for the wood gate?

I think the Democrats should sell pins like this - I think it could help raise money.
Thank you for the compliment.

[OnionPatch]

79. This is the point we need to make, for sure.

Loving America, and adorning yourself with flags to prove to everyone else how much you love America, are two entirely different things. I would never have guessed how many people out there need this clarification.

[MediaBabe]

89. Ridicule may make you king of a discussion board

But out in the real world ridicule doesn't do diddley.

Belittling patriotism is not the way to get voters allegience.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

107. We need "lapel flag pin" police to inspect the talking heads

does Pat "Racist" Buchanon, Joe "Dead Intern" Scarborough or any of these
other butt heads wear a flag pin?

Don't want to mess up your suits - tough, stick a pin in em.

[NatBurner]

30. that's gotta be some of the stupidest shit i've ever read

misty-eyed? wtf?

[Bread and Circus]

37. Modern day McCarthyism disuised as opinion journalism.

[anigbrowl]

40. Noonan is equating patriotism with insularity

Obama has always known that the world is a big place, and America is his home within it. Noonan seems to be arguing that this won't play well with people who grow up thinking America is the world and are later surprised to discover that there is more to it. That's the mindset exhibited by people who believe everything was invented in America (I'm still often surprised by how many poeple are unaware that the television and telephone were invented abroad, for example).

Mind you, there are a lot of people in all walks of American life who seem convinced that our institutions derive from a Judeo-Christian heritage and are oblivious to the fact that both Democracy and the idea of a Republic originated in ancient Greece. For these people I have prepared a simple pictorial explanation.

Origin of Religion

Origin of Democracy

[Toucano]

41. Remember when Kerry was "too French"?

The old tricks never die, do they?

Republicans are so uncreative!

[Marrah_G]

42. It's amazing that these idiots contiue to have jobs in journalism.

[Terran]

46. What idiocy!

Has he ever gotten misty-eyed over... the Wright Brothers and what kind of country allowed them to go off on their own and change everything? How about D-Day, or George Washington, or Henry Ford, or the losers and brigands who flocked to Sutter's Mill, who pushed their way west because there was gold in them thar hills?

Has Kathleen Parker ever had racist thoughts, or wished that one of her parents were dead? No one is questioning her morality, they're questioning its content, its fullness.

:sarcasm:

Point being, such questions are equally pointless because it's not the kind of thing anyone can ever know except the person in question, and is therefore utterly without merit.

[baldguy]

49. You say "vicious anti-Semite" like it was a bad thing.

[SaveAmerica]

53. I am so tired of all the people who act like they know what Obama thinks about America or that they

know what's going on in McCain's bones. McCain gets so misty-eyed about our country, remembers those lessons learned at pap's knee, learned to love America so much at the Naval Academy that he'd vote against bills and programs meant to help today's heroes. Hurrah, hurrah, McCain, such a misty-eyed America lover that he wants to run our country farther into the toilet. Yay.

[treestar]

54. The idea that someone who would take the time to run for President

is somehow lacking in love of country is so ludicrous it deserves:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MediaBabe]

90. Except for Hillary, right?

[XemaSab]

56. Is that bitch fucking shitting me?

:shrug:

[VotesForWomen]

64. what do you call black people you don't like? just asking.

[kwassa]

57. Peggy Noonan is downright bizarre.

Her columns are full of great sense and insight and total insanity, sometimes in the same sentence.

[SteelPenguin]

59. And my parents don't understand why I'd never vote Republican

I am a first generation born American and I have an arab name. Therefore when the conservative shills question Barak Obama's patriotism, or it's content, or it's fullness, then they're questioning mine.

Make no mistake. If his name was Barry Olson and he had blond hair and blue eyes, they wouldn't be saying this crap. They question his patriotism because he's black, and is named Barak Obama. It's not his former reverend, or things his wife or he have said in the past.

I've been critical of this country, it's policies, and it's means before. I've been critical because I love it so much. I go to one of the most liberal churches you can imagine (UU) and even there I can think of things that have been said which could be taken in the same context to make it seem un-american.

It's just bullshit. Any democrat who feeds into it also should be ashamed of themselves.

[unc70]

71. They would be saying this even if Barry were blue eyed blond

Thye have said it about every Dem candidate since I could vote. Not everything attack on BO is because of race. The serious ones coming about him have more to do with him being more red than black.

[burythehatchet]

61. It doesn't get any stupider that that. How encouraging that this is all they have.

Keep firing those slingshots wingnuts. I'm sure a pebble will strike the ocean liner soon.

[VotesForWomen]

63. if O-ists think these writers aren't tapping into some widespread suspicions about O they are dreami

dreaming. mark my words, once O gets the nom, this shit will explode in the MSM, and it will work. O is going to lose big time when it's all said and done.

[stillcool]

66. wishing and hoping?

I think we've been here before...remember?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

[VotesForWomen]

69. just saying, and when he goes down as the 'manchurian candidate' it will do lasting damage to the de

dem party, at a time when we should have been coming into greater power.

[stillcool]

72. more wishing and hoping?

[Whalestoe]

74. Even better...

Now there is an email chain going around claiming Barack Obama to be the Anti-christ. That's right. The fucking anti-christ, because, and I quote, "He is muslim, in his 40's, and charms everyone" or something to that effect. My right-wing, retard Grandma sent it to me. I told her to shut up, then disowned and rejected her. Bitch.

[Jamastiene]

80. Sure, there's no misogyny in the Obama camp...

:eyes:

[golddigger]

81. The only advice I have for you is, SEEK HELP!

[MediaBabe]

83. One day a member and you call your GrandMother a retard?

I'm appalled and you should be ashamed to call your GrandMother a bitch in front of complete strangers. SHAME ON YOU! You should hang your head.

[Mimosa]

94. LOL @ One day a member and you call your GrandMother a retard?

Really, MediaBabe, I thought it rather odd and distasteful myself.

This is an interesting thread.

I'm part Native American with Mexican blood. I'm living by Nancy Creek in Atlanta. Creek Indians were driven off the land where I'm now living because greedy white people wanted the real estate. There have been many times when I haven't been proud of my country.

Nobody who dislikes his country would go through the hell of running to be our President.

[Whalestoe]

109. I only...

Hang my head when she sends around complete bullshit saying, "Obama is the Antichrist", "Obama wasn't sworn in on the Bible", "Obama wants to change the Nation Anthem", "Obama is a terrorist hell bent on destroying America", etc., etc. Me being a member of a message board one day doesn't change the fact that her aptitude for stupidity exceeds all limits I would ever set for someone in my family.

You sound like someone else I know, "Shame on you, Whalestoe! Let's debate!" Get over it.

[Indenturedebtor]

68. They created those suspicions... they didn't tap into them.

Common facist tactic.

"It is widely suspected that the *** are responsible for all of our problems, is there anything there? Should we even be talking about that it sounds crazy."

3 days later

"Wow over the last three days it seems everyone is asking the question: Are the *** responsible for all our problems. I was doubtful at first but based on strawman, slippery slope strawman I'm really starting to wonder."

1 week later

"Look it's common knowledge that the *** are responsible for all our problems. The only question on people's minds now is: What do we do about it? Do we round them up and ship em out, or do the world a favor and kill them all? That's the question on the street, even though I hate to talk about it 24 hours a day."

1 year later. Half the *** are dead, and they're wondering who next to go after.

They do the same shit to Dem candidates every election cycle. They're not tapping into SHIT.

[VotesForWomen]

70. well, they created a lot of stuff. that's the way the game works. nt

[NOLALady]

75. Maybe he will lose.

Or not.

Will you work hard for the Dem nominee?

[TexasObserver]

67. Fullness? That's a term Peggy Noonan could use to describe herself.

as in full of shit, which she always is

[rinsd]

73. Hillary supporters repeatedly told Obama supporters Peggy Noonan was a POS.

Didn't stop a few from repeatedly posting her columns attacking Hillary.

[gauguin57]

82. I wanna know Kathleen Parker's background. Is SHE "full-blooded American"?

Or were her grandparents "filthy immigrants" (by her insinuation, apparently, NOT full-blooded Americans) or something?

What is she hiding?????? AMERICA WANTS TO KNOW!

Maybe she's an octoroon. (Pass it on.)

:sarcasm: before you jump all over my ass!

The sentiments in her column are even MORE archaic than the term "octoroon."

[IndianaGreen]

84. How many whites loved America when Bull Connor unleashed his dogs on civil rights marchers

Noonan's America is the America of separate but equal.

[nemo137]

88. Hold on a second. Even if we accept

that Obama's roots in this country don't go back as far as Grandpa Scary's, doesn't it totally devalue the patriotism and sacrifice of every immigrant to claim that that makes them less patriotic?

That's horseshit. What about the Nisei GI's during WWII? Would Peggy Noonan question the content of their patriotism, the fullness of their patriotism? What about the Irish Brigades during the Civil War? Would she claim that any cynic can wear a uniform, and many do? This is blatantly fucking offensive to anyone whose ancestors came over looking for a better life.