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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:47 AM
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How Can We Miss You If You Won't Go Away? ---pix--->>>
Edited on Mon May-19-08 11:55 AM by Stephanie

Is she serious?



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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks during a campaign rally in Maysville,
Ky. Monday, May 19, 2008. Clinton said Monday that her opponent Barack Obama may be getting a little ahead of
himself in acting like the party's nominee before the final contests of the primary season are over.





http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/may/19/clinton-to-obama-theres-no-nominee-yet/

---snip---

"You can declare yourself anything, but if you don't have the votes, it doesn't matter," Clinton said Monday in a satellite interview with an Oregon television station before a campaign appearance in Kentucky.

***

She said Monday that she is the "more progressive candidate" and dismissed the hype surrounding Obama that results in the large crowds like the record rally of an estimated 65,000 he drew in Portland on Sunday afternoon.

***

"So I'm going to make my case and I'm going to make it until we have a nominee, but we're not going to have one today and we're not going to have one tomorrow and we're not going to have one the next day," Clinton said. "And if Kentucky turns out tomorrow, I will be closer to that nomination because of you."








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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:17 PM
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1. If you attended an all white high school ... you're probably for Hillary.
Wherever there are two dozen octogenarians, there will be Hillary!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:19 PM
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3. that is an objectionable statement....
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:44 PM
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11. ditto that.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:08 PM
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21. ditto on your ditto...
Cute baby... btw... nice knitting too;)
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:15 PM
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26. Yes, tacky. Kids don't choose their school (mostly) but adults choose their vote.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:21 PM
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4. Is this like "You might be a redneck" jokes?
This could get ugly fast.

:rofl:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:23 PM
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6. Yes, that's the theme. Hey, Hillary brought this topic to the table.
She can hardly wait to appeal to old, white racists, or women, or both. Pander Bear is out there, and she's kissing someone's ass as we speak.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:21 PM
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5. If you use a mirror under your nose to tell if you're still alive ... You're probably for Hillary!
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:56 PM
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13. I attended an all white high school, and I am for Obama
I went to a Jewish day school that was pretty much all white because most Jews are white, and I support Obama. Let's not stereotype here.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:00 PM
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15. Alerted as flamebait
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:29 PM
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35. Alerting for being an alerter
:evilgrin:
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:33 PM
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37. Alerting on your alert
on an alerter.

:rofl:

He was an appeaser!
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:02 PM
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17. So True
Wherever there are two dozen octogenarians, there will be Hillary

This made me laugh. Thanks!
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:18 PM
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30. How dare you say that!!!!!!!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:21 PM
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33. it didn't sound much better when HRC said it
"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm



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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:23 PM
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34. Ignore
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:23 PM
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45. Dear Ignored
The thread title applies to you as well. Please go away.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:18 PM
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2. Stark contrast and the pentultimate reality shown in pictures. Worth a thousand words. K&R
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:39 PM
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9. Here's a photo just for you >
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:40 PM by Stephanie
That's my candidate!




http ://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080519/ids_photos_ts/r424328397.jpg/

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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:24 PM
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7. the more progressive candidate
made me spill my coffee over my keyboard...

wtf?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:42 PM
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10. I stumbled across this VV article last night, very interesting. She's been dissembling since 2000.


http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0043,hentoff,19219,6.html



Nat Hentoff
Questions for Hillary
She Says She’s Not a Liberal
by Nat Hentoff
October 24th, 2000 12:00 AM

To my knowledge, no one among the hordes of reporters covering her campaign has asked Hillary to respond to this editorial in the June 12 National Law Journal by its editor, Patrick Oster: "Hillary Clinton is using her inclusion in the 1988 and 1991 National Law Journal lists in campaign materials to promoter her U.S. senate campaign in New York. She brags she was once chosen as one of the 100 'top' lawyers in the country. One might question the wisdom of bringing up some of the reasons for her inclusion: her connection with the Rose Law Firm, whose billing records she famously misplaced, or her being a director on the board of notoriously anti-union Wal-Mart. But our quibble is with her use of the word 'top.'
"To us, that implies 'best' or 'smartest,' but Hillary Clinton was instead rated as one of the most 'influential' lawyers, which we equate more with the notion of power or impact. . . . "

As Oster noted in a conversation with me, Hillary would not have made a "best" or "smartest" National Law Journal list. And she even got the name of the magazine wrong. She's been saying it was The American Lawyer—a sister publication of The National Law Journal, the one that "honored" her.

As for Hillary's—that's her campaign name, without the Clinton appendage—impact on education in Arkansas, one of her ads quotes an "authority" proving that she raised the standards of education while she was that state's First Lady. Whether that's true or not—and doubts have been raised—the relevant point as to her candor was raised by the Lazio campaign on September 21:

"An Adwatch created by the Clinton campaign and distributed to media outlets statewide today quoted a publication entitled A Vision of Excellence: A Look at Education in Arkansas, 1988. {It quoted the publication} three separate times as an authoritative source defending her record. A quick search of the Arkansas State Library reveals that the author of this particular tome is Mrs. Clinton's husband."

The catalog record is GO 42. 8: V 47/988.



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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:11 PM
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23. ..." is due for reauthorization in 2002." DID Senator Hillary Clinton vote for it?
Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:13 PM by junofeb
The "Welfare Reform" Act is due for reauthorization in 2002. Would Senator Hillary Clinton vote for its reauthorization? Or, what changes in it would she demand?


What was her vote? Anyone know?

Edit to add, interesting article, thanks!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:09 PM
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48. Prescient article, right?
I think she opposed the reauthorization along with the rest of the Dems.

http://themiddleclass.org/bill/deficit-reduction-act-2005-senate-vote
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:20 PM
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49. Thanks!
The re-authorization of that legislation passed entirely under my radar at the time- I was too freaked out about Bush and the drumbeat for war, I'm afraid.

At least she seems to have been on the right side of that one.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:03 PM
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18. I know. It's such utter horseshit that it's laughable.
Her own campaign said that Obama would be unelectable because of his "liberal" views:

"Penn pushed this idea last week when he told me, “People want to have a nominee that’s going to win. So a lot of the things they accepted initially may not hold up. Independent and Republican support is diminishing as they find out he’s the most liberal Democratic senator”—a reference to recent rankings by the National Journal. “As they get more of a sense that he’s not ready to be Commander-in-Chief, a lot of Independents who were supporting him are disappearing.”"

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/17/080317fa_fact_lizza?printable=true
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:26 PM
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8. Girl, don't go away mad,
just go away..

:argh:
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:44 PM
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12. The Clintons are anything but politically stupid
Hillary says she's staying in - if I were an Obama supporter, I'd think I would be concerned.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:58 PM
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14. I am a Democrat and I am concerned. n/t
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:01 PM
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16. If I were a supporter of Hillary, I'd be concerned.
There's always 2016!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:04 PM
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19. Oooh I can hardly type I am shaking in fear so
:scared:

She is finally going to "turn it on" and actually start winning? Is this some secret strategy that her braintrust came up with?

PLEASE!
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:05 PM
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20. I'm not concerned, just very very bored.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:09 PM
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22. "You can declare yourself anything, but if you don't have the votes, it doesn't matter."
Can she hear herself talking?
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:19 PM
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31. I don't know and I don't care.
Hillary Clinton stopped being a fascinating psychological study months ago. But maybe it's all part of an uncanny covert strategy to bore and irritate her way to the nomination.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:39 PM
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38. Actually, I am concerned. I find it reprehensible that she's putting everyone in a position
Edited on Mon May-19-08 02:14 PM by Catherina
where she'll have to be dragged off the stage.

As a woman I'm as mortified as when I see a couple break up and one of them keeps clinging, phoning, threatening and conniving thinking they have a chance.

I'm concerned because Hillary's already proved she's a ruthless politician and won't stop at anything. Neither will Bill who doesn't want the last entry in History books to be about cigars, blowjobs and impeachment.

I'm concerned and unhappy about this.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:57 PM
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44. "He refuses to debate me anymore."
Yeah it's getting really uncomfortable.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:29 PM
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47. I'm concerned for the Democratic party. The Clintons are scorching earth
and despite all the people who won't assume the worst of her, I fully expect her arrogant campaign to try their best to shove invalid primary votes - which anyone with solid reading comprehension skills and access to information can understand - into the mix...and then try to tell the superdelegates that she's the most electable because she "won"...

...even though they're bad-mouthing the DNC on the campaign stump and painting them as vote-suppressors.

I assume they're up to something, and it stinks like a flaming mound of shit. No good can come of her staying in the race after the campaign she's run.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:12 PM
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24. you know it'll just be a couple of weeks. You brag about it. But, you just keep whining
You really don't like democracy, do you? Where else in the world would we ask for a candidate to bow out before the election process is actually over?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:15 PM
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27. pssst
It's OVER. She LOST.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:16 PM
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28. What you're engaged in is called "projection." The OP is spot-on. n/t.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:16 PM
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29. "You really don't like democracy, do you? "
The same reason I hate America, mom, baseball, and apple pie.

lol
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:41 PM
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39. Idiotic meme
You do understand that states will still hold their primaries even if Hillary drops out, right? The Republicans are still holding primaries even though McCain is the nominee. Ron Paul is still getting votes despite the fact that McCain has the nomination wrapped up.

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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:15 PM
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25. K & R. n/t.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:20 PM
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32. Over? Who says it is over? She has just now begun her ACTUAL run to VICTORY
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:33 PM
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36. LMAO
Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:34 PM by L0oniX
It's not over until the ship is on the bottom.

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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:50 PM
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43. The Ship is NOT sinking
Repeat, the ship is NOT sinking. Just some minor issues with the bouancy controls.

The sensation of icy water creeping up your legs is only your imagination. Continue to breathe normally even if your lungs are filled with water. Make no attempt to save anyone you see drowning, your eyes are playing tricks on you...
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:29 PM
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46. The ones in the life boats are voting for Obama now.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:42 PM
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40. . . .
:spank:
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:42 PM
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41. HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT OF THE AARP!!! n/t
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:42 PM
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42. HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT OF THE AARP!!! n/t
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