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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:49 PM
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The Year of the 'Sweetie'?
May 19, 2008

The Year of the 'Sweetie'?
By Susan Estrich

Have we gone from the "Year of the Woman" to the "Year of the Sweetie"?

So it appears. It's not the "sweetie" part that gets me, and I suspect a lot of other women. It's the concern that, not to sound trite, some of the guys out there, maybe including the probable Democratic nominee for President, just don't "get it."

If you can remember that far back, this was supposed to be another one of those "Year of the Woman" elections, the first time a woman was entering the race as the frontrunner for her party's nomination, with the big question being whether women would see this as the historic occasion it was and abandon their concerns about whether Hillary should've dumped Bill over Monica and whether it was her ambition that kept them together. Hillary's problems with women, going back to the "stand by her man" comment and her lack of interest in baking chocolate chip cookies, have been discussed literally for decades. During her first Senate race, it took her months of listening, the patronizing sexism of her opponent in their one and only debate, and a particularly effective ad by a breast cancer survivor reminding women that Hillary would be there for them on the issues that matter, before women moved to support her in major numbers and handed her a substantial majority of the votes. So there was some doubt, this time, about whether women would support one of their own or, maybe more fundamentally, see Hillary Rodham Clinton that way.

They have. Women "saved" Hillary in New Hampshire, or at least that's what all the talkers said that night, when to their great surprise, Hillary easily defeated Obama after her much-discussed "tearing up" in a roundtable on the day before the election in a New Hampshire diner. And they have been with her in every major contest since, especially white and Hispanic women. And not just elite, well-educated professional women, the black suit girls like herself (and yours truly) who could so easily recognize in so much of the sexism displayed towards Hillary by the media and the mavens the forces we have all confronted in our pursuit of our dreams. No, working women of every stripe, mothers and grandmothers, single and married, are the reason that Obama's near unanimous backing by African-Americans and his success among elites in low-turnout caucuses has not been enough to allow him to clinch the nomination, at least not yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/the_year_of_the_sweetie.html

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:50 PM
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1. Fox's favorite "liberal" — Susan Estrich!
Susan Ostrich, more like it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:59 PM
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15. She's a Clinton surrogate AND defender of Der Gropenfuhrer.
Funny how she uses 'standards' only when convenient.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:50 PM
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2. lollersauri
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:51 PM
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3. You know what's really, really funny? I mean like, howlingly, knee-slappingly, hurt-your-diaphragm,
Edited on Mon May-19-08 03:52 PM by Occam Bandage
get-hiccups-for-half-an-hour funny?

People who think that absolutely anyone gives a shit about OMG SWEETIEGATE. Seriously, this is even lamer than Handshakegate or whatever you called that. Snubgate? I think that was it.

Anyway, other than The Wrath of Sweetie, this is just the standard "Blacks and Eggheads" garbage mixed in with the recent "Hillary = Feminism" treacle.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:35 PM
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21. I'd care more about it if it were "Eggs and Blackheads" - ya know, like, under the
Beauty and Diet Tips category...
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:52 PM
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4. Hillary should be president because she is a woman..
Good enough reason? Sure..
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:53 PM
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5. Just as good as Obama's
:eyes:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:55 PM
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8. I don't recall anyone pointing to Obama's penis as a reason to elect him.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:57 PM
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12. I wasn't talking precisely about his penis...... n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:58 PM
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13. You should. It's superb, I hear.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:59 PM
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16. Then try it yourself.
You seem to be drooling for it.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:02 PM
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19. That would totally kick ass. But that aside, doesn't it seem awfully stupid
to be praising a male candidate for the nature of his genitals? How is that substantively different than saying we should vote for Hillary because she's an innie instead of an outie?
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RoseMead Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:57 PM
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25. LOL Now there's a winning political slogan! nt
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:58 PM
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14. Testosterone? n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:48 PM
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23. Skin color?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:53 PM
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6. My wife calls her the "Marlboro Munchkin"
Sounds like she's smoked 4 packs per day since she was 15.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:53 PM
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7. Susan Estrich - Really?
:eyes:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:55 PM
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9. If throat lozenges were logic, Susan Estrich...
Would sound like Susan Estrich.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:55 PM
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10. You mock yourself. Sad.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:57 PM
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11. What next, Phyllis Schlafly?
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:00 PM
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17. Hill refers to herself as a Girl!!!
You can't get lower than that in my book! She took us down with her, to boot!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:00 PM
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18. The "NH Women Saved Hillary" Meme
HC won 46% of the female vote in NH, and 29% of the male vote.

BO won 40% of the male vote, 34% of the female vote.

That's a 6% gender gap.

If HC had only a 6% gender gap, she would have been the overwhelming victor in NH, instead of a 2% squeaker.
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:04 PM
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20. "this was supposed to be another one of those "Year of the Woman" elections"
I think we "get it" :eyes:
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:03 PM
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27. How many of those do you get before its commonplace?
1992 was the first one I recall. That was 16 years ago.

We've had at least 3 or 4 since.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:42 PM
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22. You go, Woman!
:eyes:

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:51 PM
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24. Please, go work for McCain already.
This is just getting pathetic.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:01 PM
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26. Is this part of the "sexist" campaign?
Did the blastfax and spam go out this morning instructing the faithful to repeat "sexism" ad nauseum, and then throw in "she's winning the popular vote" for good measure?
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