This is my opinion. Take it or leave it. If you refuse to support or give your vote to Obama, then..

[Hawkeye-X]

You do not belong here in DU. There are probably better places to go to. You have to think of it this way - Obama has been very inspirational and will definetely help the downticket Democratic candidates (Three RED, I repeat RED districts were switched to BLUE - thanks to Obama's coattails recently).

Again, this is my opinion, you can take it or leave it.

Hawkeye-X

[greyl]

1. I'll take it! :) nt

[MonkeyFunk]

2. Similarly

those who said they'd never vote for Clinton don't belong here either, right?

Throughout this campaign season, I've seen far more people say they'd never vote for Clinton than people who say they'd never vote for Obama. Should we ban them?

[Hawkeye-X]

4. I'll happily give my vote for Clinton.

My mom and wife are Clinton supporters, so I have to keep working on them - giving them links and stuff - they don't trust Obama right now.

Dad's kind of conservative Democrat, so his vote is up in the air.

But hopefully they will eventually vote for Obama at the end.

Hawkeye-X

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. I'll never vote for Clinton.

Because she'll never be the nominee.

But if she is the nominee, I'll be happy to vote for her.

:rofl:

[speedoo]

9. Wrong. Because Clinton will not be the nominee.

Obama will be the nominee and that's the difference.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. If we're discussing who is or isn't

a "good democrat", then those who SAID they wouldn't vote for Clinton don't count either, going by the criteria in the OP.

Who actually gets the nomination is unimportant - we're conducting a PURGE here, dammit!

[speedoo]

19. The OP was only offering his/her opinion. There is no purge.

As the OP said, you can take it (OP's opinion) or leave it.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. We don't have a nominee yet

no matter how much you want there to be one. If we're going to have a purge, it makes sense to purge ALL people who've said they wouldn't vote for the nominee, whoever that is.

[speedoo]

24. Obama will have the delegates needed by tomorrow night.

He will have the majority of pledged delegates and he will have enough SD's, either actually declared or expected, to reach the majority needed for the nomination.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. He'll have 2025 delegates tomorrow?

I don't think that's correct.

[speedoo]

49. I think it is correct.

By "expected" I am referring to the so-called Pelosi effect.

[newmajority]

31. The only purge that needs to be done, is removal of the cancer known as the DLC

And the prognosis is looking pretty good for that right about now. :)

[QC]

36. I dunno--the DLC's head economist is making econ policy for our apparent nominee.

Looks like the DLC has its hooks in both candidates. They're not going anywhere.

http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=85&subsecID=108&contentID=253912

[Forkboy]

10. Irrelevant now.

She won't be the nominee so that doesn't matter anymore. If she was, and those people chose to work against her here than they should be banned.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. It wasn't about working against the nominee - it's about voting

I'm trying to get the rules of the purge down.

It would be unfair to purge only those who say they won't vote for Obama. Plenty have said they wouldn't vote for Clinton. Since neither one has the nomination yet, we have to purge the riff-raff from both sides, right?

[Forkboy]

20. Just saying they won't vote for him isn't ban worthy to me.

I have no probs with that. If they continue to trash the nominee and/or talk about voting for repubs then they need to go. I hope you can agree on that.

[MonkeyFunk]

44. "continue to talk about voting for repubs"

Honestly, I haven't seen anyone here do that. Perhaps there was one or two, but I didn't see it.

I have, though, seen dozens of threads ABOUT these mythical people.

[Forkboy]

51. I wasn't talking about what HAS happened.

I was giving my opinion about what SHOULD happen in the future when DU decides that a nominee is official. I don't care if it's one guy or twenty working against Democrats at that point. There's no need for them at DU.

"I'll vote for McCain just to do anything I can to try to keep Obama out of the WH."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4563773#4563916

"There are so many people like me. You have no idea. But it's over.I am voting for John McCain."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5894961

The second poster at least said it was pretty much said in anger and backed off, and that's fine. But the sentiment is out there, and you can't tell me with a straight face that someone like you, who is here almost everyday, hasn't seen they people saying the won't vote for Obama.

Once again, like I said above, not voting for Obama is ok with me if that's what they really feel, and there's no need to ban these people. Just don't come to DU to work to defeat him. There's a difference between coming here and voicing displeasure and just coming here to post shit from Rove and Fox and Drudge to tear down whoever our candidate is. And I don't care which ex-candidate's supporters do it, and you know that. You think I've agreed with every candidate the Dems have chosen since I've been on DU?

You're looking for an argument so bad that you're trying to defend people working against Dems. Think about it.

[liberaldem4ever]

32. Actually I said I wouldn't vote for Clinton in anger

And I'm ashamed of myself now. I will be voting for the Democratic nom, I always was going to because I care more about Dem values than I do about any candidate I have ever seen. I support Obama, but I support the values I have had all my life even more.

[Barack_America]

46. If Hillary wins the majority of pledged delegates, I'll vote for her.

You have my word.

If she wins according to the agreed upon rules at the beginning of the primary season, I'm in wholeheartedly.

[VeraAgnes]

3. We need to wait until we actually have

a declared Democratic Nominee. I will support whoever actually wins in August at the Convention. We just need to be respectful to one another.

Hawkeye.....you are not the DU Administrator and you assume too much.

[Hawkeye-X]

8. I'm talking to those who refuses to give Obama their vote

and writing in Clinton - that's just a vote for McCain.

Hawkeye-X

[PoliticalAmazon]

6. Skinner has indicated otherwise, until HRC cedes the election.....

I cannot see the benefit in forcing Hillary supporters to GET ON THE GODDAMNED OBAMA BUS! RIGHT NOW! BECAUSE I SAY SO! OR LEAVE!

Chances are, once the primary is over and they've had a chance to reflect on the bigger picture, many will support Obama.

But if you force it and make them feel alienated from the Dem Party, we may face another exodus like we had with the Greens.

This intolerance and lack of patience for fellow Democrats is very unsettling. It is not promoting party unity nor is it supporting winning the Novemember election.

[Hawkeye-X]

12. I'm talking ABOUT those who are clearly REFUSING to give their votes to Obama in the GE

regardless if Hillary supporter or not. I'll be glad to wait for DU to recognize Obama as the presumptive nominee.

Hawkeye-X

[BlooInBloo]

15. Fine by me if she stays in. The longer she stays, the worse she looks. Now they're bribing people...

Which we never would have found out about if she had packed it in a week or more ago.

I hope to god she stays in as long as humanly possible. Right now she's just a lying, bribing, race-baiting war-monger. Who knows what she'll be in another week! So exciting! And so ironic that she's staying in it hoping that something happens to *Obama*.

:rofl:

What a fool she is.

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. I agree. HRC's tactics may well end up nuding her supporters towards Obama. n/t

[QC]

38. If she's just now getting started handing out bribes to superdelegates...

then she's way behind.

http://www.alternet.org/election08/77106/

This story was discussed extensively here only a few weeks ago--it's amazing how many people have forgotten all about it.

[BlooInBloo]

41. I missed it altogether somehow.

[VeraAgnes]

17. Perfectly accurate assessment.

This is what I have heard from the many of the Hillary supporters at my Democratic Headquarters....they have been abused by Obama supporters. The Hillary supporters who have been insulted and again, I say abused, they are gaining a platform. I read on another blog that ABC Nightline is having a group of such types on the show tonight.

[CreekDog]

22. thank goodness that doesn't feed into any well established stereotypes

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

7. Honestly, if people don't want to vote for him I can handle it.

But if they choose to work against him here though they should be shitcanned pronto.

[sniffa]

11. Bingo

Even if their Votes Count Too.

[theoldman]

14. Anyone who is not willing to vote for either Obama or Clinton

is a fool. Only a fool would want McCain to win the election.

[MichiganVote]

21. Exactly what does "refuse to support" mean?

And how come you get to decide the meaning to me or to anyone else on a dadgum message board?

It is just a message board...you do know that don't you?

[grasswire]

25. who could have predicted that Obama supporters would be such authoritarians?

That's been surprising to me.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

28. All 2 or 3 of them?

[MonkeyFunk]

I'm not surprised in the slightest

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. ~

:yoiks:

[Seeker30]

27. The 'either you're with us or you're a terrorist' mentality

I swear I think most of you grew up in a pro-bush household.

[grasswire]

37. hey, you may be on to something there (eom)

[SoonerPride]

29. K & R. I agree 100%

100%

[jgraz]

30. K&R -- agree completely.

[liberaldem4ever]

33. K&R

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

34. Yep, I think you are right

if Obama is the nominee, and right now that looks like a probability, then all Dems need to give him their support.

[Jim Sagle]

35. I'll leave it.

[Tennessee Gal]

39. Leave it.

I am a Democrat. Obama is a Democrat, but so are many others. No one will tell me which Democrat to vote for.

[QC]

40. Comrade HawkeyeX is correct: we must purge the running dogs and counter-revolutionaries.

All hail the glorious people's revolution!

[silverojo]

42. Those who refuse to vote for Obama

Might as well cast their vote for McCain. Because if you don't support the Democrat, you're supporting the Republican.

Does HRC mean so much to you, that you're willing to endure 4 more years of failed foreign and economic policies? Would your hatred of Obama honestly drive you to forsake our party, and let the Repukes have a third term in office?

When will the Republican damage to this country mean more to you than personal issues with a particular Democrat? If HRC won, I wouldn't like it...but I'd hold my nose and vote for her anyway, rather than risk allowing Bush The Second to take office.

That's only common sense, and I'd like to see more of it coming from the HRC crowd. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WE CAN'T AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS OF REPUBLICAN RULE!

[Johnny__Motown]

45. once he is officially our nominee.. I agree, but if Clinton people need more time to adjust they

should be allowed to.

[End Of The Road]

47. What a waste of keystrokes. nt

[Steely_Dan]

48. So, If I write in someone else...

because my conscious tells me so, I should leave?

You see, this is what makes people who support other candidates cringe.

How dare you tell me that I do not belong here. I am a proud Democrat and have been one for decades. I have marched for the environment, for civil rights and for gender rights. Just because I do not support Obama does not make me evil. IT MEANS THAT I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOU DO.

What the fuck has happened to this party?

-P

[applegrove]

50. I agree but it is too early yet. We have to wait till Hillary bows out or the convention. Them is

the rules.