Is it rude to discuss election fraud and the possible stealing of the next election?

[graywarrior]

Is it on your mind at all?
What will you be doing to prevent it?
What will you do if it happens?

[msongs]

1. democratic party Inc of the USA is not concerned about it at all (just a FEW individuals are) nt

[LSparkle]

2. My significant other is convinced there will be no election ...

Every time I mentioned something related to the '08 race, he
shakes his head and says to me (condescendingly), "You STILL
believe there's going to BE an election?"

Am I stupid to believe there actually WILL be a change of power
in '09?

[LakeSamish706]

4. I happen to agree with your significant other if the Bush Admin. can somehow...

manufacture something between now and November. I think that will be especially true if Obama becomes our nominee because they are afraid of what he may do when President.

[graywarrior]

Hitler had 11 years as dictator

[cali]

5. No. Your SO is wrong.

[TahitiNut]

15. I can imagine exactly one scenario where at least a key part of the Dem electorate would ....

... be under martial law and not be inclined or motivated to vote.

[cali]

3. Question: If the GOP is so terrific still at stealing elections

How come they lost 3 freakin' Congressional special elections in heavily repuke districts this spring?

I'd love to hear the explanation for that.

[graywarrior]

6. True.

But those votes are on a smaller scale. Don't you think it would be easier with a presidential election? I really don't know. I just think about it on occasion and it makes me queasy.

[PermanentRevolution]

10. I don't know...

Seems like the opposite would be true - the less votes, the less you need to rig.

Make no mistake, there are plenty of attempts at vote-suppression (registration purges, absentee rejections, etc.) but I'm not sure if I buy into an overreaching vote-machine conspiracy.

[cali]

12. I'd think it would be easier on a smaller scale. The variable- particularly

this year- are myriad. Where do you steal? NM? PA? MN? AK? And those 3 Congressional elections were huge deals for the pukes. They couldn't even manage to steal 1 out of 3? The vaunted GOP machine has broken down.

[graywarrior]

13. I hope their machine has broken down

[Two Americas]

18. the same reason that not every bank gets robbed

Just because some banks are not robbed, that does not mean that none have been or will be.

[marions ghost]

7. they will try

and we do have to worry about it. Vigilance.

[chknltl]

8. Imo if enough voters turn out for Obama...

...it will be hard to convince folks that mCain won when exit polls have him down by 30 points come November for instance. Yes I am concerned, I have written my congressmen regarding election fraud and the need for a paper-trail. I check in with Brad-Blog regularly for updates too.

There is no doubt in my mind that the corporatists will pull out every dirty trick to win come November. So why was it they were unable to counter the three special elections which recently netted us three Senators??? They fought damned hard to prevent the loss of those three and yet somehow the Dem got the win! This gives me confidence that a lot repukes will be losing their jobs come November and election fraud will not have been enough to have saved them.

Election fraud, imo should be a plank in Obama's campaign and one of the early tasks assigned to his AG to tackle after he becomes President. (If Edwards gets that job: :woohoo: )

[WA98296]

9. It's been on my mind constantly since 2000. What CAN we do about it?

[graywarrior]

11. Pay attention.

I plan on either volunteering at the polls this November or at least hanging around with a camera/

[Shine]

14. IT's definitely a concern of mine

but I still am optimistic enough to believe it will be a landslide for Obama, come fall.

I think the machines will be unhackable by then due to incredibly high voter turnout. It's already been unprecedented in the primaries.

That said, it's going to be vital to monitor the election, itself, and make sure any problems are dealt with and made public immediately.

The GOP have stolen elections before, but I think the tide is turning and even they won't be able to stop it. They won't go down without a fight, but it's clear their reign is ending.

:toast:

[jbnow]

16. It is close to crazy not to be concerned. Faith based voting

should not be part of our reality but there are still many states that vote on machines that are vulnerable to error or easy tampering but have results that are Unrecountable, Unverifiable, and Unauditable
We should not have to prove or even suspect someone will do something wrong to not allow these systems

If something odd is noted, which usually it would not be we have a new set of monsters to fight since the companies that own the machine have these proprietary rights that courts have upheld, evidently more important than our votes counting.
After New Jersey's Feb. 5 presidential primary some irregularities were noted by the clerks, incorrect party vote totals. They were all only off by one... but that says nothing about what they might then actually be off by. Most clerks didn't check that total, most that did found the error. They asked for an investigation. Sequoia stepped in and blamed other things like printers or poll worker error but the Princeton expert, Professor Felten, was able to show it was not what Sequoia said
So Sequoia sent a letter threatening legal action if the machines were turned over to Princeton. Still on 4-25 a judge ordered the independent review though Sequoia claims turning over the machines for a third-party analysis violates the county's licensing agreement with them and "unauthorized examinations expose the its proprietary trade secrets to public disclosure and threaten its intellectual property rights".
The judge limited the testing to one machine with a problem and one without it, limited public disclosure and other steps to protect trade secrets. It also won't begin until September so there won't be time to do anything before November.
Here is a copy of the e-mail Felten got from Sequoia from his blog

Or this. I haven't heard any update on this from March 2008, don't know what hurdles they face
Ohio seizes voting machines in criminal investigation

Anyway from a list I copied earlier 17 states are considered "high" risk because they use DREs with no paper backup:
Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia.

[Honeycombe8]

17. It's always a possibility. Good thing is...Repubs are in a less favorable position to do it now.

They lost some key seats. In OH, for example, the Repub Sec of State is no longer there, I think. I THINK the Sec of State and the governor are both Dems.

We know how important the Secretary of State in any state is, now, don't we???