Obama takes Novak as credible source, slams Hillary based on Novak's words.

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Turned out to be nothing.

Remember this? Evidently some here don't...

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Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) took the rare step of issuing a statement in his own name on Saturday to call attention to a report by columnist Robert D. Novak that New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign is sitting on "scandalous" information about Obama.

The information was not described and there is no proof it exists.

Obama accused Clinton of "Swift boat' politics" and vowed he will not be intimidated.

"I am prepared to stand up to that kind of politics, whether it's deployed by candidates in our party, in the other party or by any third party," Obama said. "The cause of change in this country will not be deterred or sidetracked by the old 'Swift boat' politics. The cause of moving America forward demands that we defeat it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/17/obama-clinton-battle-ove_n_73126.html

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Yep he was punked by Novak, and attacked Hillary.

Thought this might be relevant, seeing as how the meme that Hillary holds rove as credible is making the rounds.

[lsusteel]

1. Who is Hillary?

Is she that former presidential candidate? Bless her heart.

Remember how competitive of a race it was?

[Perry Logan]

16. She's the candidate who would have beaten McCain.

[cliffordu]

21. I saw that episode of the Ghost Whisperer.

[Beacool]

22. She's the person whose support I guess you arrogant Kool-Aid drinkers

won't need in November. Oh yeah, and I guess you also don't need her millions of supporters.

Good luck getting the rookie elected without us!!!

[lsusteel]

And the fact you're willing to vote Mccain over Obama...

...just because Clinton lost shows you don't know jack shit about politics. It also shows your reasons for voting are totally superficial.

Basically, it ruins your credibility

[Beacool]

44. When have I ever said that I will vote for McCain???

As for not knowing anything about politics, you're way off line. Not only is my family involved in politics, I studied Political Science as an undergrad. That doesn't mean that I will blindly support anybody with a "D" after his name. Been there, done that and ended up disappointed.

[lsusteel]

45. You don't want to get into an education pissing contest...

...but that being said, if you're supporting Clinton now yet you'd support Mccain if Obama is the nominee, I'm curious exactly what you're basing your support for Clinton on.

Obama and Clinton are virtually identical in their policies. If you think Clinton's policies are best for this country, how the heck can you think Mccain's policies are 2nd best? They're polar opposites. What does Obama do/not do that Clinton doesn't/does that's such a deal breaker? Flex your poli sci muscle.

[Beacool]

49. Once again, when have I said that I will vote for McCain??

I will simply not vote for Obama, unless Hillary is also on the ticket. I don't trust Obama, I think that he's a slick operator with razor thin experience. He gives good speeches, but is more about fluff than substance. I don't think that he will accomplish even half of what he promised and I also don't like his health plan.

[lsusteel]

50. A non-vote from a former Democratic supporter

Is, in effect, a vote for Mccain.

[Beacool]

52. I'm a "former" nothing, this is not a collective.

I will support my senator (Lautenberg) and everybody else at the local and state level.

[lsusteel]

54. You must be supporting Hillary for her policies

I would expect no less from an educated person.

So you must think those policies are best for the country.

Obama and Hillary are closer on virtually every policy than Hillary and Mccain are.

Since you're supporting the Democratic platform (as touted by Hillary), your vote would likely be for the Democrat if you vote.

By staying home, that's 1 less vote for the Dems. Therefore, you're helping the guy with policies polar opposite of those you currently support get elected.

I want you to justify that on an intellectual level.

[Beacool]

57. I campaigned in several states and saw plenty of dirty tricks

by the people who pretended to be above the fray and better than the average politician. The guy is just another Southside Chicago politician, except that he has a better gift for gab. I don't like nor trust him, and I'm far from being the only one. When Edwards endorsed Obama the day after her big win in WV, my phone was ringing off the hook with people calling to say how they would not vote for him (one actually said that he would vote for McCain). Too much crap has gone down. I know Hillary and Bill will do the expected thing and campaign for Obama, but that doesn't mean that all her supporters will vote for him. You would be surprised how many have decided not to vote for the top of the ticket. It's the first election where I have seen this kind of reaction from so many supporters of one candidate. Maybe it's due to the historical significance of both candidates, but many people won't forgive nor forget that easily.

[Kittycat]

36. Thank you for voting against women, by supporting McSame.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

40. Switching over to Republican Party? Hillaryites are just a cult and not Democrats?

you'll need lots of soap to wash the blood off of your hands.

I guess the Hillarites are a cult after all, and their followers are
just zombies and not democrats.

[crimsonblue]

41. I couldn't give two shits about your veiled threats...

You have to live with your conscience, and I have to live with mine. For me, voting to elect a man that will continue the most glorious past 8 years and will continue the cowboy diplomacy that has vastly increased our security would make me feel oh soo good. and yes, this was :sarcasm: in case you didn't get it.

[hokies4ever]

53. "IT'S HER TURN!"

:rofl:

[Skittles]

58. both cliffordu and you sound like a couple of juveniles

please stop it - the behavior of each of you is assuring a McCain win

[anonymous171]

2. No.

[papau]

14. That means you now qualify as a leader of the DU Obama fans - O's "just campaign talk" is "GREAT"

[Inuca]

3. Apples and oranges n/t

[thunder rising]

4. The statement released by Obama is correct and necessary.

[Bensthename]

5. Get it out of your system.. These posts will not be allowed here very soon.

:puke:

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. what? Are you suggesting that the facts will not be allowed soon?

Only praise and adulation? Really?

[Beacool]

24. Nope, it's fascism.

Democracy will go out the window the minute the Anointed One gets the nomination.

[Bensthename]

39. It is not fascism

This is an independent owned forum that represents democrats.

Soon anti-Obama posts will not be welcome here and you will be kicked out.

Some people here will have to find a good McCain forum for their future post.

[Beacool]

43. So, if you blindly not support Obama you must be a Republican???

And you still don't call that fascism??

Funny concept of democracy..........

[Bensthename]

48. No

Again this is a private owned site built on capitalism principles. As soon as Obama is the nominee, anti-Obama post will not be tolerated..

Sorry but that's just how it will be.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

30. LIES.Obama said: “She of all people.. should move quickly to either stand by or renounce ,,"

I went to the stupid huffington post drama, which linked to politico.

No where is there a statement by Obama in quotation marks that matches the OP.

So, in other words, some asshat put words in Obama's mouth.

Here is the direct quote that Obama addressed to Clinton:

“She of all people, having complained so often about ‘the politics of personal destruction,’ should move quickly to either stand by or renounce these tactics.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/6949.html

Considering it is Bob Novak making claims about what Senator Clinton is doing or saying about
Obama, the it IS up to Senator Clinton to say it isn't so and this is all wrong.

[Brundle_Fly]

34. editing quotes to remove the gist of a message...

sounds like something... we've seen before.... can anyone remind me?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

42. go to the article instead of trusting the OP

the link is there.

The OP links to Blog at HuffPo, which links to Politico article.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/6949.html

Its basic english - there's a huge difference between paraphrasing
and direct quotation.

Often with paraphrasing the reporter (or blogger etc) summarizes what
they THINK was said and possibly adds spin to it.

[Bensthename]

31. I can find plenty of "facts" on Hillary if you like or McCain

who ever you are for.

And yes you will have to choose which facts you present in the future...

Soon this will be a pro Obama site and you will be forced to join a McCain forum.

[papau]

18. ? an Obama world that dares not discuss sounds like a Bush world

[truedelphi]

6. There needs to be a distinction here:

someone like Novak may not be credible (In fact, for his share in the outing of Valerie Plame, he should have been shot!) but that doesn't mean that a candidate doesn't acknowledge the scumbag's existence and call him out before the scumbag knicks the candidate's reputation.

The fact that someone responds to a person like Novak doesn't meant that they are saying they find the person credible. In this day and age where Murdoch-style Yellow journalism hits new lows every other day of the week, a candidate for office has to be able to tackle the words of the scumbag.

[rodeodance]

25. It was a stupid thing for Obama to do . simple as that.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

32. Does Hillary agree with Bob Novak? (like she agrees with KKKarl Rove?)

From Politico.com:
columnist Robert D. Novak that New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign is sitting on “scandalous” information about Obama.

In response, Obama said:

In the statement, issued at 11:39 a.m. Eastern time, Obama called on Clinton to renounce the report or disclose the information, and twisted the knife by adding: “She of all people, having complained so often about ‘the politics of personal destruction,’ should move quickly to either stand by or renounce these tactics.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/6949.html

Do you think she agre

[rodeodance]

60. Your post is Rovian --changing the subject.

[NewHampshireDem]

7. And if he didn't reply?

I'm sure you'd find a way to criticize that as well.

[wiggle-room]

9. He replied by slamming Hillary, who had done or said nothing on this, instead of slamming Novak.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

33. he called upon her to do what ANY DEMOCRAT would do

who wasn't busy agreeing with KKKarl Rove or Bob Novak.

She should take issue with what Novak said, unless she agrees that it
is true.

[democracy1st]

8. Barack Obama just said Novak makes things up in ABC news interview

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10. Let's hope he doesn't fall for it again, then.

[chascarrillo]

11. Might you consider revising your OP, then?

[Perry Logan]

12. You don't understand. This shit bounces off Barack, sticks to Hillary.

[wileedog]

13. He didn't say "I should be the Nominee because Novak said so"

And where is the attack on Clinton?

He said if anyone, inside or outside if the party was going to attack him, he would defend himself. Where does he call out Clinton? Where does he give any credibility to Novak for anything? He just says if its true, he will defend himself?

Beyond reaching

[Buzz Clik]

17. That was from November 17, 2007. And you're still bitching about it? Why?

Oh. Because your candidate is down to two weeks.

[dailykoff]

19. Wrong-O.

"that kind of politics," not Hillary.

[virtualobserver]

20. he didn't accuse her of anything.....he just told Hillary to either release it or say that the story

was untrue

Obama Statement on Reports of Clinton Campaign Tactics
Chicago, IL | November 17, 2007
"During our debate in Las Vegas on Thursday, we heard Senator Clinton rail against the politics of 'throwing mud.'

"At the very same time, in Washington, Robert Novak was publishing a column in which he reported the following: 'Agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party's presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama...'

"The item did not identify these 'agents,' nor did it reveal the nature of the charge. It was devoid of facts, but heavy on innuendo and insinuation of the sort to which we've become all too accustomed in our politics these past two decades. If the purpose of this shameless item was to daunt or discourage me or supporters of our campaign from challenging and changing the politics of Washington, it will fail. In fact, it will only serve to steel our resolve.

"But in the interest of our party, and her own reputation, Senator Clinton should either make public any and all information referred to in the item, or concede the truth: that there is none.

"She of all people, having complained so often about 'the politics of personal destruction,' should move quickly to either stand by or renounce these tactics.

"I am prepared to stand up to that kind of politics, whether it's deployed by candidates in our party, in the other party or by any third party.

"The cause of change in this country will not be deterred or sidetracked by the old 'Swift boat' politics. The cause of moving America forward demands that we defeat it."

[BalancedGoat]

23. Where did he slam Clinton?

I've been looking and can't find it. The quote that the article seemingly uses to back up it's assertion does nothing of the sort.

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/11/17/obama_statement_on_reports_of.php">This was Obama's actual response. He tells her to reject the claims in the article if they are false or if they are true to come out and with the information refered to. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

[Beacool]

26. You people really do live in alternative worlds

and only see what you choose to see.

[virtualobserver]

29. you should try actually reading Obama's statement

[Beacool]

46. Read it and it angered me then as much as it angers me now.

Instead of telling Novak to shove it, he demands that Hillary refute Novak's assertions.

[virtualobserver]

47. he expected Hillary to stand with him against that kind of politics

I'm sorry that you are angered by that

[Beacool]

51. No, he took a cheap shot at Hillary by assuming that Novak

actually was reporting facts and demanding that she deny it.

[virtualobserver]

56. which she should have (or not) depending on whether it was true

He wasn't going to be jerked around. If it wasn't true she had a responsibility to say so.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

37. we live in the world of direct quotes, not paraphrasing. Does Hillary approve of Novak's claim?

Does She?

[virtualobserver]

28. the spin never stops from the die-hard Hillary posters

[Hestia]

27. This is also making the Freeper rounds:

Who Wants to Be the Next Millionaire?
By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson
Email: [e-mail]
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05...t-millionaire/

Here’s the news short and sweet–if you have a copy of the Michelle Obama video, in which she is lambasting white people (four different sources say she uses “whitey” as an epithet) at Jeremiah Wright’s church, then there is an ultra conservative Republican billionaire who wants to pay your $1 million dollars for the tape. Why? He hates John McCain. Conservative Republicans refer to John McCain as a Marxist and a sell out (and those are the nice comments). The billionaire in question believes Barack is a very weak candidate and, if he gets the Democratic nod, then McCain will surely be President. Especially after the October “surprise” of Michelle Obama railing against whitey. The billionaire wants to preempt McCain and Rove and has put the word out thru conservative networks that there is a $1 million dollar bounty for the person or persons who produce the tape.

I got this info courtesy of a major Republican operative. I am told that Karl Rove and his political allies control the tape where Michelle Obama has a Stokely Carmichael moment of sorts. Rove and company reportedly are showing the tape to big money Republicans to loosen up their wallets and get new money to fund independent expenditure groups. That’s why news of this is starting to leak out. The money is being raised for 527 groups that will target the Democrats in the fall.

A retired CIA buddy is friends with a lawyer who saw the tape. This lawyer, who has a stellar reputation for being very low-key, described the video clip of Michelle’s anti-white rant as, “stunning.” My guess is that the billionaire who detests John McCain is probably going to find someone who will comes up with the tape. So there you have it, someone is looking for “Whitey.” If they find it they get a pay day. If not, you will have to wait till October to watch it.

UPDATED: One prime candidate for the billionaire in question is the intrepid Sheldon Adelson, “the right’s answer to George Soros,” according to Mother Jones.

[virtualobserver]

35. if that really was true, it would have been on FoxNews already

They don't want Obama as the nominee, they want Karl Rove's new friend, Hillary

Rove black ops fake rumor.......that I would believe

[Youphemism]

55. I Hope This Gets Out into the Public...

With a little clever editing, it would dovetail very nicely with spliced excerpts from my Cindy McCain Naked Lesbian Tupperware Party video.

[CreekDog]

38. so if Hillary leaks something only to Novak to use against Obama

Obama is wrong to quote Novak in order to denounce the story, or the "alleged" story.

and the fact that it wasn't true is actually the problem with the Hillary campaign, they pedalled innuendo that something out there "was true" when there wasn't much in fact out there.

[Honeycombe8]

59. He wasn't "attacking." He responded to a journalist's "report" by vetted sources....

We all know by now that Novak's last big "story" was, in fact, true. Wasn't it? We don't know the sources of journalist's stories, unless and until they are subpoenaed.

We learned in 2004 not to wait to be Swiftboated. When there's a report that a Swiftboat attack is about to occur, both candidates must respond immediately and hit it head on.

It shows he is a fighter.