So Hillary's lead in the popular vote

[CreekDog]

which states does it exclude?

[Andy823]

1. Every single one

That she lost! :evilgrin:

[CreekDog]

4. ok ok ok ;)

but seriously. does it include every state that's voted so far?

[MaineDem]

38. No. n/t

[papau]

2. none - but it includes caucus estimates for some states that refuse to release vote totals

[democrattotheend]

6. Not her version of the popular vote

When you add in the estimated totals from the caucus states, Obama leads even if you give her all of her votes from Michigan and give her none.

[CreekDog]

7. what are the estimates from Washington, Nebraska, Iowa, and Maine?

used in her popular vote lead?

[CreekDog]

10. papau okay who is correct here? what are the estimates for those states?

:hi:

[shadowknows69]

11. And that's ok why again?

[Occam Bandage]

29. No, it doesn't. It does not include the estimates for those 4 states. It completely discounts them.

That is the problem.

[MaineDem]

39. It's not that they refuse to release them, they are not available

There is no popular vote total in most, if not all, caucus states.

[democrattotheend]

3. Washington, Nebraska, Iowa, and Maine

Those states don't release vote totals from the caucuses. It also gives Obama 0 votes from Michigan. Regardless of why he took his name off the ballot, it would be tough to argue that giving him 0 votes is reflective of the people of Michigan. Splitting it 50-50 is probably more representative than that, though I do think they should seat the delegates in a way that gives her some advantage, since she got 55% of the vote.

[hokies4ever]

36. That just got me to thinking

that the Edwards endorsement might have been aimed also at the MI legislature. Obviously most of the uncommitted vote went to Obama and Edwards. By Edwards endorsing Obama in MI, perhaps they could conclude that Obama deserves most of if not all of the uncommitted vote.

[anonymous171]

5. WA for starters.

[CreekDog]

9. does it include any votes out of Washington state?

[Patsy Stone]

8. Colorado and Wyoming, IIRC. n/t

[CreekDog]

12. someone here give us the list that adds up to her lead

thanks.

[briv1016]

13. Stole this from another poster (I apologize but I forget who it was)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/17/112814/315/246/517409

[DeadElephant_ORG]

22. wow. What a great run-down on all the possible ways to count the "popular vote" n/t

[CreekDog]

14. the Hillary supporters have now left the building

well, this thread anyway, before giving us any solid numbers.

[AZBlue]

15. Every single caucus state. There is NO popular vote tally.

[Ioo]

16. Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Iowa, Nevada, Nebraska, Washington, Maine

and Wyoming

[4themind]

17. He may have to run national campaign commercials to explain this

if hillary keeps pushing her numbers

[briv1016]

24. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

But if it must, it must.

[populistdriven]

18. Who is Hillary?

Is she that former presidential candidate? Bless her heart.

Remember how competitive of a race it was?

[papapi]

32. Monica's laundress...

[housewolf]

19. Here, this is what you want... RealClearPolitics results page

for pledged delegates

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[CreekDog]

27. she wins by counting Michigan and giving IA,, NV, ME & WA zero votes

that's her idea of counting all the votes.

[yardwork]

37. So does that mean that voters in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and Washington DON'T COUNT?!

:rofl:

[NotThisTime]

35. She's ahead by 38K votes IF you exclude the 4 states inlcude MI & FL as is & he's ahead otherwise

Period... Under every metric he is ahead, unless you discount the 4 states already mentioned

[Upton]

20. It gives her 328,309 votes in Mi. to Obama's 0

Of course that's BS because Obama wasn't even on the ballot and uncommitted got 40%, but that's the math they are using. Only in Hillary world.

[CreekDog]

21. but i'm willing to almost grant that one if she counts all the other states

but i'm hearing that she doesn't count the other states yet goes on and on about fairness in counting all the votes.

what gives? how can she claim to want to count all the votes and to be ahead in them and at the same time speak of numbers that don't count all the votes?

[papapi]

23. Who cares. She's finished. Kaput. Done. Over. Toast. Washed-up.

[CreekDog]

25. she's casting aspersions on the legitimacy of Obama's victory when it comes

that really needs to be dealt with.

if the impression is that she didn't lose fairly, it will hurt him, just as if he didn't lose fairly it would harm her chances.

this is a really, really, big deal.

[papapi]

26. I get it. But...

I really DON'T CARE anymore. If some stupid a**hole wants to vote for McCain just because their deceitful, racist, elitist candidate didn't win the nomination, more power to them. Maybe McCain will ask Hillary to be his running mate.

[CreekDog]

30. i understand how you feel

:hi:

[Occam Bandage]

28. It excludes WA, ME, IA, NV, and the MI uncommitteds.

[CreekDog]

31. got it

[Hamlette]

33. Realclearpolitics keeps track of all this stuff and is updated several times a day

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

check out the box in the upper right corner

click on popular vote

she's ahead just under 27K counting MI and FL and not counting caucus states and not giving Obama any votes in MI.

By any fair count, he's up as much as 700K (not counting FL or MI and counting an estimate for caucus states)

[johnnydrama]

34. forget the WA caucus

And go with the WA primary, that every Hillary apologist claims was a much fairer result.

He can afford to give up the delegates, and he'll take the popular vote that the WA caucus hasn't released.

Meaning he's ahead in every possible measurement, even with the phony MI & FL elections.

And who cares anyway. By the time the popular votes are done, he'll be the nominee.

The popular vote was supposed to help her sway superdelegates, and he's been getting their support faster than ever the last 2 weeks.

[MaineDem]

40. There is NO popular vote

Please don't even give it credence in any way, shape, or form.