MYTH: Obama Supports a Woman's Right to Choose

[candice]

As an Illinois State Senator, Barack Obama took the coward's way out and did not vote either "yes" or "no." Instead, he voted "present" on seven abortion bills, including a ban on "partial birth abortion," two parental notification laws and three "born alive" bills. In each case, the right vote was clear, but Senator Obama chose political cover over standing and fighting for his convictions.
http://www.illinoisnow.org

His chief of staff talked him out of voting for Roberts:

From the Washington Post:

t was the fall of 2005, and the celebrated young senator -- still new to Capitol Hill but aware of his prospects for higher office -- was thinking about voting to confirm John G. Roberts Jr. as chief justice. Talking with his aides, the Illinois Democrat expressed admiration for Roberts's intellect. Besides, Obama said, if he were president he wouldn't want his judicial nominees opposed simply on ideological grounds.

And then Rouse, his chief of staff, spoke up. This was no Harvard moot-court exercise, he said. If Obama voted for Roberts, Rouse told him, people would remind him of that every time the Supreme Court issued another conservative ruling, something that could cripple a future presidential run. Obama took it in. And when the roll was called, he voted no.

Of course, other Democrats actually voted for Roberts, including Chris Dodd and Russ Feingold.

[populistdriven]

1. Who is Hillary?

Is she that former presidential candidate? Bless her heart.

Remember how competitive of a race it was?

[anonymous171]

2. Yep. But he still thinks teenage pregnancy is a "punishment"

:rofl: Mixing up your talking points.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

3. Yeah, that's what that 100 Naral rating means.

[AZBlue]

26. Not to mention their endorsement.

[mkultra]

49. NARAL is stupid, listen only to CANDICE

[DerekJ]

4. Do you know how many times this shit has been debunked.

He did this with the approval of women rights organizations.

Edit: added "of".

[davidinalameda]

5. OMG

go tell NARAL and they'll endorse Hill

oh that's right-they already endorsed Obama

[slinkerwink]

6. so that 100% rating from Planned Parenthood was totally false, right?

[grytpype]

7. IGNORE ON

[SoonerPride]

8. That's three for candy. All done now. Time for nappies.

See you tomorrow so you can post more idiocy.

[scheming daemons]

9. Myth: candice is a Democrat....

[JimGinPA]

13. LOL...

Another one that won't be missed. Soon I hope.

[blogslut]

10. And that's three

whew!

[DearAbby]

11. That is two....what is the final myth post?........nt

:boring:

[Shakespeare]

12. BWAHAHA! NARAL will be SO disappointed to learn of this.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Orangepeel]

27. Not to mention Planned Parenthood of IL, whose plan it was to vote "present"

The nerve of Obama to do what Planned Parenthood asked!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

14. Not this shit again.

Obama is pro-choice; too pro-choice, apparently, for the Hillary phony outrage squads who blew a fucking gasket when he used the word "punishment" in conjunction with teenagers being forced to remain pregnant against their will...

Oh, and NARAL doesn't agree with you. Take your lies and stuff 'em.

[Johnny__Motown]

15. You STILL don't understand the "Present" votes? OMG.. go ask an 8th grader in IL.

[PM7nj]

16. I was wondering why NARAL endorsed him. nt

[Richard Steele]

17. Wow. The stupid- it BURNS! nm

[ecstatic]

18. OK. I'm definitely voting for McCain now!

:crazy: :eyes: :sarcasm:

[davsand]

19. You don't know jack shit about IL Senate. NARAL does, and they endorsed Obama.

Gawd. When will the lies STOP?


:puke:


Laura

[DAGDA56]

20. I don't mind your posts, Candice...what I do mind is your inability to

stand and defend your position. Three times tonight you've tossed your little verbal bomb and run off. It's hard to find any substance in what you write, when you fail to back it up. This is a discussion board...stop treating it like a vanity project.

[Raine1967]

21. This is just silly...

Silly post.

Sorry, I know I have VERY few posts compared to you, but jeepers. I have been reading here for a few years, and this post, well...

This is nonsensical.

you really believe what you are posting? You REALLY do?

IF you do, then you must think that EVERYONE who spends their days following the goings on in American politics stupid.

And no, in case you were GOING to ask... I don't have better things to do. I won't until AFTER we elect a DEM to POTUS.

This is my passion and my life, This is my country. If you think that Obama does not support a woman's right to choose, then you are either ill informed or intentionally trying to flame this forumn.

[donheld]

22. What do you have against the truth?

Why the lies?

[Occam Bandage]

34. Just like CNN, MSNBC, Air America, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and every other

media source excepting Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, the truth is biased heavily in favor of Barack Obama.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

23. FAIL:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-abortion-.html

[kid a]

24. BAN THESE FUCKING IDIOTS

[muryan]

25. Worst post of the day

and thats really saying something

[patrice]

28. A Present Vote is neither No nor Yes. It is used to express technical reservations about a bill,

which, if the bill fails, may be addressed again in committee. If the bill succeeds, you and your technical issues are out of luck, so depending upon how close a given bill is to either failing or succeeding for you personally, the Present Vote represents a particularly sophisticated negotiation skill that MUST be based on a very clear perception of where all of the other votes are in the voting body.

If you really want to discuss the use of the Present Vote, you need to present the texts of the bills that Obama voted Present on, so we can discuss which technicalities were close to his policy statements and which technicalities were further away from his policy statements. We also need the voting record of the Illinois Senate on each bill, so we can compare what Obama did to what everyone else did.

P.S. I realize that an attitude being neither No nor Yes is something a little too hard for some people to understand, but just give it a try. I bet you can do it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. "Have you stopped drowning kittens yet?"

You can vote Yes, No, or Present.

Pretty succinct analogy for the whole Present Votes thing.

[patrice]

42. Yes!! A Present Vote gives you a chance to fight for a re-write of the question.

:hi: It's not that hard to understand is it? Some mis-understanding is on purpose. :hi:

[silverweb]

29. Idiot.

If you don't know the truth about this, you're a complete idiot.

If you do know the truth about this and are disseminating lies anyway, you're much worse than merely a complete idiot.

[saltpoint]

30. Candice. My darling. Your grocery-list talking points won't increase

Hillary Clinton's percentage in Kentucky for her likely big win there, nor reduce Obama's in Oregon, likely to be quite impressive as well, nor stop his nomination in Denver this summer.

Really.

[Occam Bandage]

31. Fact: Obama's "present" votes were part of a Planned Parenthood strategy, and

counted against the passage of the bills on which he was voting.
Fact: Obama has a 100% rating from both PP and NARAL.
Fact: NOW is full of shit.

[NJSecularist]

32. It's sad that Obama actually considered voting for a conservative loon like Roberts.

Says a lot about his judgment.

[Occam Bandage]

33. Obama voted against Roberts. Better than Hillary can say about Bush's war, now isn't it?

[patrice]

36. Glass houses, stones . . . although in the case of HC's judgement we're talking about 10s of Ks DEAD

[Youphemism]

35. Maybe He Supports Womens' Right to Choose So Much...

...that he opted to let the female politicians decide that issue.

[Occam Bandage]

37. Such as those in Planned Parenthood? Yes. After all, he was voting as they asked.

[saltpoint]

Candice? Anybody seen Candice anyplace?

[davidpdx]

38. Welcome to my ignore list

freeper!

[progdonkey]

39. do you know what "non sequitur" means?

:banghead:

[graycem]

40. That's really odd

since Lorna Brett Howard, Former President of Chicago NOW disagrees with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs

[Auntie Bush]

43. Could Obama be considered a political coward for his non-vote for anything controversial?

Who has more balls of these two? Hillary spent her whole political life fighting for woman's rights and Obama wouldn't even take a stand...yet he gets NARAL's support! Outrageous! Everything is so political it's disgusting. I really wonder if he will have the nerve to ever take a controversial stand as president... if he feared he'd lose some supports?

[Occam Bandage]

46. Obama was voting as Planned Parenthood requested. Take it up with them.

But I'm sure you understand how to advance abortion rights in the IL Senate far better than Planned Parenthood does.

[FredScuttle]

44. Jim....what say you about the OP?

[Cheap_Trick]

45. you really think Hillary does?

then you're even dumber than you seem.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

in regards to hillary of arc's church:

"Furthermore, The Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics."

[ZinZen]

47. Candice, this has been debunked

probably longer than you have been alive.

[zulchzulu]

48. You win the Clueless Hillbot Who Would Rather Lie Than Tell The Truth Award

Thanks for playing.

:puke:

[saltpoint]

50. I was thinking maybe Candice would hang around and actually respond to

some of the posts this evening, but then I got to thinking, Maybe it's her bowling night, or maybe she's out duck hunting.

Something like that.

[sfaprog]

52. When you unleash a huge pile of shit like the OP...

you don't want to stick around to hear everybody tell you it smells. The pathetic personal victory for the poster is making people smell it in the first place.

Coward.

[saltpoint]

53. I appreciate the OP's right to pick her favorite candidate but

there is no pro-Clinton point in her posts.

There could be a message in there for her!

[mmonk]

51. Amazing.

No offense. But best get the facts straight on his positions.

[MadBadger]

54. These MOTHERFUCKING Pretzels are Making me FUCKING Thirsty!

[Occam Bandage]

55. May I be of service?