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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:27 PM
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Being forced to the back of the bus........what that means to me.
I read an article today where a few of Clinton supporters are organizing a group across the country to work against Barack Obama in November if he is our candidate. This is their choice, even though I don't think they should do it. The organizer, a Mary Kay sales woman, said that (because a women was not the candidate) they (Hillary's supporter's) were being forced to the back of the bus. This is the thoughts that statement brought to me.

I am an older white women and speak of this as someone who remembers the days when we were all far from being equal. Men were king of their castles and white men ruled the world...or at least that is what we thought here in the good old U.S.A. As a young girl I was taught how to be lady-like and to know my place. I always resented not having the freedoms that the boys had and resented having to settle for a girl's life. I didn't want to be a boy, I just wanted to have a boy's life. So you might say I always rebeled against the role that was considered mine.

I grew up in the midwest in what was called a "white county". We had "sun down laws", but it was never spoken of in my house so I was unaware of it until I was in my teens. That was when I saw the police stop cars of people who were not "white" and escort them out of the county (supposedly for their safety). I saw those famous signs in the store windows, but they were never spoken of in my house so I often thought they were meant for me because the clerks in the area were none too friendly and sometimes refused to adknowledge my existence when I shopped. Again, I was in my teens when my mother finally explained to me exactly what those signs meant, and how she and my father so respected the one store owner that did not go along with this idealogy. But still these things were rarely spoken of in our house, so we grew up somewhat ignorant of what was happening in the world. We were not allowed to use racist language, but we heard it and it was burned into our consciousness.

I was in my mid-teens when I left my midwest area for the first time and traveled to the south to visit my sister and her military husband. It was in the early 60s and the time of equal but separate. I heard my sister say that "those people are never satisfied", and I wondered why they were not. Then I saw the drinking fountains marked "whites only" and "colored only", and I understood one thing, there was no equality. They both put out water but they were not equal, the one fountain was new and shiny and the other one was old and dull. Another thing struck me as odd, my sister's best friend was an African American woman, but my sister still saw them as "those people".

But to get to my topic, being put in the back of the bus. You see I went hone on a Greyhound bus, and it was a trip I will never forget for many reasons, but mainly for the following. When we began the trip everyone on the bus was white except for a few young soldiers. We traveled for several hours before we made a stop and an older couple got on the bus. The driver told them softly to go to the back of the bus, and I thought that was because there were more seats open back there. But then the couple stopped by my seat to look out the window. That same driver screamed at the old couple to get away from me and to the back of the bus. Their faces took on a strained look and I was afraid. I thought that surely these were criminals or child molesters that had to be watched carefully; there was no other explanation for the driver's reaction. How blessed (?) I was to have the privilege (?) to be so ignorant, but that was then and this is now.

Today with the mass media and the knowledge we have of how the people who do not look like some of us and our white leaders have been treated; there is no excuse for any of us to be ignorant of our histry and our own behaviors. To use this example of maltreatment of a people just because your candidate did not win is unforgivable to me. The African American man may have gotten the vote before women did, but they were not allowed to vote in much of the country until long after white women were voting. You know, those pesky Jim Crow laws that were used for so long. And I don't know about where the rest of you live, but here when the civil rights laws were passed, the rule the employers followed when it came to hiring was "better a white woman than a black man". I believe in equality for every one, and don't get me wrong I believe there should be a woman president and I believe there will be. I just don't feel this is the right woman or the right time, but I do believe this is the right man to make a change in Washington D.C. and the right message we should be sending the world. I have met Barack Obama, talked with him and I trust him to do what is right for all of us. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.



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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:33 PM
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1. How on earth can people expect the nominee not be the
one who won the most votes?

What is their idea of democracy?

Is it not about policies?

Sounds like the Bush administration - idealism rules the day.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:44 PM
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3. Repeat as often as needed....
There is no popular vote.

Caucus states don't have a popular vote.


There is no popular vote.

Caucus states don't have a popular vote.


There is no popular vote.

Caucus states don't have a popular vote.


There is no popular vote.

Caucus states don't have a popular vote.


There is no popular vote.

Caucus states don't have a popular vote.


There is no popular vote.

Caucus states don't have a popular vote.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:38 AM
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19. Dang
I think one more repeat and it would have sunk in. :banghead: Oh well, you tried! :hi:

Yeah... this is why they are against the caucus states. They are just in the way. The thing about Clinton is she may want it one way one day, and another way the next day. So with this, if she got her way on things with the rule bending, we would have no more rules.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:45 PM
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4. It is people who are caught up on one ideal.
"To he** with what the majority wants, I want this and if you don't give it to me I will throw a fit and do something to hurt you."
This is what got bush elected and kept him in office for eight years. I just don't know about people anymore. I wasn't for Kerry in 2004, but I volunteered for the Democratic party and voted for him. I voted for my candidate in the primaries, but the general, it was Kerry all the way. (If I had decided not to vote for a Democratic candidate, I would not work against them)
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:36 PM
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2. The Hillary people who are feeling pushed to the back of the bus should
now identify with what Barack Obama's children do not ever have to face and be glad and give him their support.

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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:46 PM
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5. K & R.
It's encouraging to see that among all the crazy posts that I have to wade through in here tonight, people like you are making sense.

Thank you.

- as
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:48 PM
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6. K&R
excellent post

"pushed to the back of the bus" - yet another pathetic co-opting of a real, painful part of the black experience in America by Hillary's supporters here. To go along with "lynched"
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:57 PM
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7. I had much the same experience you did, rebel.
The dual fountains, blacks who were not allowed into many places, who had to sit in the back of the bus.

To co-opt this as a way to say, "Well, women have had it WORSE" smells. Is sexism wrong? Yes, it is, and it should be fought. But racism is wrong too, and as we can see in this primary season, it's not dead either.

To think that our party's two top candidates are a woman and a black man, is, I think, a fantastic thing, and something that I am very proud of. Hilary not getting the nomination (as appears to be the case) does NOT mean that no other woman ever will. Nor would it mean that no other black man ever get the nomination if Barack didn't get it. That is short-sighted.

There can be only one nominee for President on the Dem side; we have two candidates who have campaigned their backsides off, but only one of them will get it.

People need to think beyond the individual person, and think about the good of the party, and most importantly, the good of the country.

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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:57 PM
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8. Hillary for president!
She's the best candidate, plain and simple.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:03 PM
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9. You are entitled to your opinion as everyone is.
But it is neither plain nor simple. As I said about my opinion. You could be wrong even though you think you are not.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:45 PM
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16. She voted for the Iraq war
She's a warmonger, plain and simple.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:07 PM
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10. Excellent post! Sane and brilliant illustration of the hubris shown by too many
who don't know what they are saying as they throw tantrums instead of facing loss with dignity.

Many of the sour grape, DEM-only-if-we-get-it-our-way hotheads remind one of Kevin James on Hardball. Bellicose and pugnacious, but not a clue what the words really mean when they do their melodramas.

Back of the bus. No, HRC supporters, nobody is forcing you back to those bad old days and the analogy would be laughable if it weren't so hateful to the reality of a not too distant past for many of our neighbors.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:08 PM
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11. You are not wrong. I trust him to do what is right for all of us, too. K&R, beautiful.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:08 PM
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12. :)
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:22 PM
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13. My dad understood what it meant to be on a bus in the 40s
My dad drove an oil truck in North Dakota before WWII. Then he was drafted and sent to the South for basic training. He was on leave one day, and took the bus into town. While on the bus, a black woman got on, the bus was full. My dad did what he was taught to do, he stood to give the woman his seat. The driver yelled at him to sit down. And the woman, who must have saw what this young North Dakota born and raised man, in his 20s was thinking. She said, "Please don't make no trouble white boy." My dad sat down, and got off at the next stop, walking back to the base.

I love my Dad so much.

(When Dad got back from the war, the ex oil truck driver took advantage of the GI bill and went to college, where he met my mom. He taught high school English for a couple years, then taught in the Education department of a local college for the rest of his career. He was one of the first teachers of Human Relations in the state. Fitting, given his lifelong understanding that people are, well, people. At 88 he remains politically active. He and mom went to the precincct caucus this year, and both were elected delegates to the county convention. He is outspoken in his criticism for those who don't support a GI bill for today's vets."

I love my Dad so much.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:32 PM
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15. You Dad sounds very special.
I know there were and are people out there like him (and you), but it always makes me feel better to hear about them.

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Dan Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:31 PM
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14. With memories of the back of the bus...
very good post...
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:46 PM
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17. When I posted this tonight
I was a little comprehensive, but all the responses have been great so far. Even the Hillary supporter was civil, and that is all I ask for. Thank you all.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:22 AM
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18. One of the most heartfelt, enlightening ...
... thought-provoking and well-written pieces to ever grace this board. Thank you so much for sharing this with all of us.

K&R!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 03:20 AM
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20. Very insightful
THANKS for posting your experience. :thumbsup:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 03:30 AM
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21. Thank you for that.
It is a very sad. Very sad indeed.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 03:41 AM
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22. Good words, well written. Thanks. n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:44 AM
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23. I can't believe they have the stones to use that term
Is there any aspect of her support base nmot dripping with racial overtones.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:58 AM
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24. Using those words to describe how you feel about your candidate
not getting the nomination belittles the ordeal black people went through in this Country. It would be like saying that Hillary's loss is like the holocaust.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:02 AM
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25. Bingo, completely reprehensible
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:07 AM
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26. Thank you! As an older white woman, I had the same experience.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:08 AM by raccoon
Some younger people just don't get that, how in those days we were taught to be "lady-like" and submissive, and if a young girl/woman wasn't submissive and lady-like enough, she'd get slapped down. Figuratively, at least.

"I am an older white women and speak of this as someone who remembers the days when we were all far from being equal. Men were king of their castles and white men ruled the world...or at least that is what we thought here in the good old U.S.A. As a young girl I was taught how to be lady-like and to know my place. I always resented not having the freedoms that the boys had and resented having to settle for a girl's life. I didn't want to be a boy, I just wanted to have a boy's life. So you might say I always rebeled against the role that was considered mine. "
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:11 AM
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27. I'm an older white woman who isn't afraid to be strong
Sure, some women have always struggled with low self esteem and the fear of standing up for their rights. No problem.

Fortunately, there are many more women leaders who aren't afraid to exert their power and influence. Advocacy isn't for everyone.

Dem women will not lose the GE politely this time. We won't sit around baking cookies and phone banking while we watch our party lose another election.
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