Did anyone watch CNN's "We Were Warned" yesterday? It was

[ruby slippers]

about our gas supply and how dangerous and vulnerable it is. It was a really rude awakening if those scenarios happened. This should be mandatory watching for everyone during Prime Time right after a Presidential speech....

[Pharaoh]

1. yeah if we lose those lines

to terroism, or more likely deteriorating infrastructure, and it's 20 below here in Wisconsin.............well we are pretty much fucked.

[ruby slippers]

2. or have the hurricane here in Florida...btw, why the Masonic symbolism?

that stuff is scary, Pharoah. Have you seen the Light yet?

[Pharaoh]

3. Just like the symbol

I do not like the Illuminati, but most of the Masons are not in that loop.

[ruby slippers]

4. I dunno about that.....the ones in control are for sure......

[hokies4ever]

10. How much did gas prices spike after Katrina?

I know that it shut down a lot of the Gulf region oil drilling stations. I seem to remember that it had some impact, but not as much as one might expect.

[Indiana_Dem]

5. Yeah, I've been trying to warn people about this since 2004.

See my sig line for link.

[ruby slippers]

6. and yet Brazil is growing sugar cane and is oil free.....hey,

maybe the swamps burning in Florida can be turned back into sugarcane. Didn't they use to grow a lot of it here once upon a time?

[Indiana_Dem]

7. I can't answer that one for ya...

we could probably grow the sugarcane in some areas. I've read, though, just as corn, it takes away farmland for growing food. I've heard not all of Brazil's citizens are happy about having to use their farmland for the sugarcane. I've read where there are some farmers mad about it. I wonder if they import more food because of this or not. There is no easy solution. The best solution is to decrease consumption....but nobody wants to change their ways of living.

[Fovea]

8. Hemp and Kansas

There are parts of the state well suited for hemp cultivation without aquifer depletion. The pressed oil is a great source of biodiesel. And the oil has a higher eroi than corn ethanol. The stalks can be engineered and compressed for a durable construction replacement for white pine.

I have a ten year old hemp shirt that is at its prime now-- soft and warm.

I think our future will be fuel agnostic. IC engines will be frugal, and will run on anything that will vaporize and detonate under pressure. In the south it may be distilled cane, kudzu and switchgrass.

Of course, the IC engine single occupant vehicle is going to get increasingly rare. Neighborhood vehicles that are pure electric will also be in force. But I see a large segment that is intermodal, using rail, bus, and bike in a mix. Electric traction is fuel agnostic. Everything from biodiesel to pebble bed reactors to solar and wind can be used.

And that is probably the solution. Use the best of what is locally available. Some conservation required.

[ruby slippers]

9. this is sad because when I was student teaching back in the 80's we

did a unit on Energy, Envrionment, Education and Everyone which I wrote. I thought that within 20 years we would have many of the ideas in place. Heck, I can't even get my adult children to recycle and it makes me angry. They don't see the problems and neither have most of us. I agree, it is going to take a change in lifestyle and I do my part, but heck, I just believe that we have to have a leader who can do it. We have the technology, don't be fooled. It is the oil companies that are the liars. I know. My hubby worked for one during the 70's and "there WAS no oil crisis back then". And, they made synthetic motor oil back then, too....my car ran on it for years.