Geraldine you miserable F'ing BIGOT, you think brushing the dirt of his shoulder makes Obama sexist?

[wndycty]

How the FUCK did you come to that conclusion. You just made an unbelievable ass of yourself on the TODAY SHOW.

By what standards do you justify calling Obama a sexist?

You cite Obama's brushing the dirt off of his shoulder?

There is 10 times more evidence that you are a fucking racist bigot. Jeeze!

[4themind]

1. What??!

Was that the ONLY thing she said or was there more? This just seems like a straight out hatchet job on the eve of a primary to me.

[MethuenProgressive]

50. She didn't say what the OP claims, as the video proves.

These HillHaters don't provide links in their OP for a reason, y'know.
Heres the link:

http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1092

[hokies4ever]

55. Umm, yeah she did say that

Geraldine claimed that Obama and others had been sexist. Then Meredith posed the question posed to her to name specific examples of Obama being sexist. She kind of stumbled through her first example and then she brought up the shoulder brushing incident. That was her answer to the question about how Obama had been sexist to Hillary.

Thanks for playing. Pick up your parting gift at the door. :rofl:

[wndycty]

57. LOL

:kick:

[papapi]

261. I would rather have heard Rachel's comments anyway...

I tuned out when Gerry started yapping. She needs therapy. Her feminism is stuck in the seventies.

[MethuenProgressive]

70. She called the gesture "dismissive" - not "sexist as he OP (and you) claim.

Anyone watching the video (not linked to in the OP of course) can see/hear that the OP is flame bait.

[hokies4ever]

75. She was answering the question to cite specific examples of Obama being sexist to Hillary

The example she cited was Obama's dismissive gesture of brushing his shoulders off. Not sure what's so hard to understand here. :eyes:

[demwing]

137. And that "dismisive" gesture is what Ferraro claims as sexist

There's even a follow up, where Maddow disagrees that the gesture is sexist.

[VotesForWomen]

253. didn't the racism screamers say Bill's 'fairy tale' comment was 'dismissive' and racist?

this is no more of a stretch than that. admit it.

[demwing]

257. Focusing on the sub-topic

Q - Did Ferraro say that the shoulder brush was sexist?
A - Yes

[RiverStone]

200. Geraldine has a major anger mgt. issue

For whatever reason, she is both bitter and misguided.

She adds not a damn thing to the debate; who could have fathomed she would have fallen so far.

[knixphan]

234. YES.

bitter + misguided = Stay AWAY from the camera.

[JerseygirlCT]

272. I'm confused. What's "sexist" about that?

Is there some code meaning here I'm not cool enough to get?

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[EffieBlack]

101. That's EXACTLY what she said!

[MethuenProgressive]

131. She said it was "dismissive"

Watch the video.

[chascarrillo]

138. She said it was an example of Obama's supposed sexism. Watch the video.

[EffieBlack]

145. She used it as an example of Obama's sexism -

she said it was sexist BECAUSE it was dismissive.

I watched the video and know exactly what she said. You can try to spin it all you want, but she was as clear as day.

[JAbuchan08]

189. +1

critical thinking is not taught in class.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

205. She said in reply to Meridith asking her to site specific examples of Obama being sexist

"Well, I'll tell you several things, but that is not what I said. What I said was I'm taking my que from Michelle Obama. Who in February of this year when she was asked if she would support Hillary if she were the candidate and not her husband said, she would have to think about it. Michelle paused for a minute and said she would have to think about that. Now to be quite frank Marilyn, Meridith, if I've gone through a series of mud swatches and if I chose Hillary as my candidate in June of last year, July, against other people that I thought were equally competent. Namely, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson and...and...ah, John Edwards. If I choose her because she could run the country in anyway the same as they could, and then gee isn't that terrific that she's a woman, too, and she'll make a difference for women and children in this country. You know, that's not a sexist way of approaching this campaign. How could I as soon as watching all this time, as soon as he becomes the nominee (?) say, oh yeah, I'm with him. I have complained I have complained about how this campaign was done and I don't want to see another woman get attacked this same way when she decides to do it as well.

You asked for specifics, and let me just give you specifics. Women are looking at how this has gone on. I...I...he...he just...he...when he...he after one of the she mentioned after Philadelphia that she had (unintelligible) before Philadelphia that she had gone out and she had learned to shoot a gun. He...he kind of ridiculed her. Who does she think, like a stand up comedian walking up and down with a mike in his hand, who does she think she is, Annie Oakley? And then when something else was said about a campaign, this thing. *flicks her shoulder* Flicking it off. Diminishing her. I mean sorry, that's not done. I mean women don't like that."

Meridith moves on to next question.

[dchill]

245. YOU watch it.

I've seen it, and I've been keeping track of Ferraro's actions and her employment history, as well. You'd do well to do the same.

(Brushing imaginary lint from my shoulders.)

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[Ian David]

2. What Randi Rhodes said about Geraldine Ferraro was spot-on. n/t

[Hepburn]

81. Exactly! n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Evidently by the same standards

you guys call Clinton a racist.

Calm the fuck down. It's politics.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. Poor Geri, she's so out of touch with working class blacks...

that she doesn't know what "brush your shoulders" off means? Even the whites that were in the crowd when Obama did that knew what that meant. Po' thang!

[hokies4ever]

59. I loved how Gerry

got her digs in on the Obama problem with white, working class voters at the very end of the interview. It's as if she was determined to get it in somewhere, the interview was ending, so she decided to just toss it in at the last second. Pathetic.

[wndycty]

61. Yeah there is a ton more evidence that Geraldine is a bigot than that Obama is sexist

:kick:

[EffieBlack]

113. I saw that - it was as if she just HAD to say it. Too bad there was no time to follow up on that.

She's obviously lost it.

I do wonder where this recent spate of "Hillary is losing because of sexism" accusations are coming from. Even Clinton herself is now outright complaining about sexism in the race while dismissing the impact that racism has had on it, as well.

One thing that is troubling about all of this is that the criticisms of sexism by Sen. Clinton and some of her supporters seem to be focused on how sexism has affected HILLARY, not how sexism impacts most women. On the other hand, whenever Obama has had to address racism in this race - usually because he has been pressed about it - he has turned it away from him personally and directed it toward a discussion about racism in America and how ALL people are affected by it.

I think it's unfortunate that Clinton has not used this as an opportunity to address sexism as it affects most women in this country, not how it may or may not have personally affected her. She still has a chance to do this - I hope she takes it.

[hokies4ever]

118. kind of like that Hillary shirt

that copies the Obama shirt. The Obama shirt had the word 'progress' on it, whereas the Hillary shirt had the word 'hillary' on it. Tells you all you need to know. It's only about her.

[knixphan]

235. yes. back to the 'ME'-vs-'WE' that has defined this primary.

[John Q. Citizen]

264. Good point. Yes, sexism effects everybody. If effects males as well as females.

And racism effects everyone as well. It effects everyone regardless of their skin tone.

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[MonkeyFunk]

84. Ah

from the apostle Jay-Z

[Heather MC]

90. Where do you think he got it from, Go to a "sprited" church sometime

they have been doing that for years,
"shake the devil off your back", it's a cultural thing, it's been done long before Jay-Z put it in a rap song, I have never heard Jay-Z songs, I don't like hip-hop, but I have been dustings haters off my shoulders for years.

You speak of things you know nothing about.

Now you got me breaking out my bible fine
Matt 10:14 "And Whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

NOW WHAT go look it up for yourself!

[MonkeyFunk]

102. jesus, calm down!

I was making a little joke.

[hokies4ever]

110. Nope, you were just speaking from ignorance

and the poster called you out on it. :rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

124. speaking from ignorance?

because I knew it was a reference to a Jay-z song?

You're being ridiculous. It was a little joke, and that's it. Don't be daft.

[hokies4ever]

132. Did you even read what that poster said?

That poster called you ignorant for solely attributing it to Jay-Z, even though it has been widely talked about in certain churches. I think the poster used the words, "shake the devil off" or something like that.

You're being ridiculous now, so stop making fun of people's religion.

[MonkeyFunk]

176. but I wasn't disagreeing with the poster

at all. I was simply making a little joke because of the Jay-Z video.

And making fun of people's religion? You're really off the deep end.

[Buddyblazon]

244. I've got to defend MonkeyFunk here...

I thought the apostle joke was funny. I got it. But I work in music.

I am however not religious...and had zero idea that it was from the bible.

[sandnsea]

201. Now see, goddammit, that's racist

What the fuck was that comment about??

[bridgit]

281. Negative. Pull your head out. Why is one racist? And another not?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6038963&mesg_id=6039966

You're referring to an elitism that contends that one group is able to do & say whatever they may, and another, what? Fuck them? Please explain your faux outrage to me if you have a minute. Cause this is how it's been all along. One group has to shut up and kowtow, while the other gets to run up, down and all around this board pissing in everyone's cornflakes giggling for not being made to stop it. Is that your idea of 'hope & change'? Do you really think that will last as a deal closer?

[Barack_America]

123. Thanks for pointing that out.

I was unaware where that phrase came from and found it very interesting.

[mystieus]

199. Thanks for the schooling.

[anamandujano]

224. I guess that's the feminist in you speaking out.

[Heather MC]

232. I am not a feminist, I don't want to be, I am a stay at mom and I like having my family be my...

main focus. I laugh when I hear a man tell a dirty joke, then I may chime in with something even rouncier (if that's a word) I would never burn my bra, after having 2 kids my girls need all the support they can get, and I like watching porn with my husband.

So I would be a a really bad feminist so I don't bother trying.
but God blessed them

[roseBudd]

282. No JayZee on her iPod?

[berni_mccoy]

10. Monkey, you know the truth of this. Please don't defend Ferraro.

You know that Obama brushing his shoulder was not sexist.

And you know that Ferraro's comments were racist ("Obama is lucky he is black")

I do respect your ability to see the truth for what it is. I have defended you before when you were right.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. Sorry Berni

I actually don't think what she said was racist. But evidently you can't step into the minefield of race and politics without being accused of it.

[wndycty]

38. If Obama supporters played with sex the same way Clinton supporters play with race. . .

. . .there would be a damned riot.

[EffieBlack]

119. And if Obama complained about racism the way Clinton complains about sexism

he'd be laughed off the political stage.

[Barack_America]

129. Good point. n/t

[anamandujano]

226. He has been doing that for his whole campaign. He has many enablers.

[knixphan]

237. absolutely.

[MethuenProgressive]

36. berni, she called the gesture "dismissive," not "sexist" as the OP hysterically screams.

[MonkeyFunk]

42. ah

I figured as much. Everytime there's major outrage, the truth turns out to be something different.

[MethuenProgressive]

46. Facts quite often spoil HillHate flame baiting.

Not before it makes the Greatest* Page, though.

[The Doctor.]

62. Would pointing out that the OP isn't about Clinton make a difference?

How is it you find "HillHate" in someone criticising G. Ferraro?

[MonkeyFunk]

67. Because

"hill-hate" encompasses everyone who supports her.

[wndycty]

74. I don't hate Hillary. . .being pissed at someone is different than hating them. . .

. . .I'm still fond of Bill and Hillary, and sick that they have conducted themselves the way that have in this campaign. Criticism and frustration with someone I'm fond of is not hate. I can understand if some folks are not sophisticated enough to understand that.

[The Doctor.]

93. Conflating 'criticism' with 'hatred' is something Bush-cons have been

doing for years now.

They call all criticism of Bush 'irrational hatred' as a means of dismissing the uncomfortable facts. Now of course Clinton is no where near as bad as Bush, but I find it rather sad that so many of her supporters refuse to acknowledge the blatant lying and undermining she's committed.

Why can't you do that?

[MonkeyFunk]

105. No, I recognize a difference

and much of what's on this board isn't criticism - it's hate.

Yesterday, an Obama supporter suggested that somebody should "kick Ferraro in the cunt". Do you consider that reasoned criticism? Or hate?

[hokies4ever]

114. It's hate, so why don't you alert that message?

Instead of whining like a baby about it. Does hate condone more hate?

[MonkeyFunk]

127. I did alert

and it was deleted.

But why is it whining like a baby to mention it in a discussion of criticism v. hate? It's a pretty damned good example to make my point, wouldn't you agree?

[reflection]

157. He's not whining about it.

It's an unacceptable message, and what he said was relevant to the discussion at hand.

[wndycty]

116. I consider that grounds for being tombstoned. . that comment was unacceptable

:kick:

[The Doctor.]

153. It's disgusting, but what makes you think that they're an Obama supporter?

because they said so?

I don't believe the more disgusting "Clinton supporters" are genuine either. There are plenty of trolls sowing discord, and frankly, Clinton supporters are very easy to enrage over rude statements. Clinton supporters are very inclined to paint the Obama people with a very broad brush based on a tiny handful of rude remarks. I've asked you and others to come up with real reasons to back up your disdain for Obama, but you really have very little to justify your assertions. You haven't been exercising discretion in what you choose to base your judgement on.

When you allow a small handful of shitheads to shape your perception, you can be assured your perception is skewed.

Get me the link to this statement, and I will excoriate them personally, because I, like the majority of Obama supporters, bear no 'hatred'.

[MonkeyFunk]

180. because he claims to be one

and he's been here for many years, with thousands of posts. It wasn't a newbie troll.

[The Doctor.]

186. Who? Did you not understand what I was asking?

Without a name and a link I can hardly say anything to this person.

Meanwhile, even being around a while and posting a bunch doesn't mean they're authentic. There have been plenty of sleepers here too.

My point that you broad-brush Obama supporters based on very little is only reinforced by the fact that you're citing one instance you can't seem to prove. Do you understand how it's hard to take your perspective seriously?

[MonkeyFunk]

193. oh, I'm sorry

the post was deleted, but you can see the responses to it here:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6028220

But it won't sway you. You have asked in the past for evidence of "hate" and when it's provided, you dismiss it all. I can't imagine anything that would convince you at this point. You'll find a way to dismiss the desire to "kick Ferraro in the cunt", too.

[The Doctor.]

204. It has rarely been provided. That, and that very thread PROVES my point.

LOOK at all the Obama supporters telling him to STFU!

I said; "Clinton supporters are very inclined to paint the Obama people with a very broad brush based on a tiny handful of rude remarks. I've asked you and others to come up with real reasons to back up your disdain for Obama, but you really have very little to justify your assertions. You haven't been exercising discretion in what you choose to base your judgement on.

When you allow a small handful of shitheads to shape your perception, you can be assured your perception is skewed."

How can you deliberately ignore the vast majority of Obama supporters that don't put up with the rare instances of hatred?

Your perception is terribly twisted, as proven by the thread you linked to.


On top of that, the suggestion that I would excuse or dismiss such a disgusting statement is not only insulting, but it is deliberately ignorant of everything I've said in the very posts you've been responding to.

Why do you choose to behave so foolishly?

[MonkeyFunk]

212. Yes, of course people told him off

That doesn't in any way prove that there's no hate here. There simply is - a lot of it.

[The Doctor.]

220. You're falling for provocations by sabotuers and operatives.

Many people are very upset with Clinton for very good reasons. They often give them when they say they don't like her.

But my point here is proven; "When you allow a small handful of shitheads to shape your perception, you can be assured your perception is skewed."

You need to revisit your perspective, it is warped. The fact that you made an outright false claim and assumed that the poster was a genuine Obama supporter without even exercising a modicum of diligence is tantamount to admitting that you want to see hatred from genuine Obama supporters.

Given all the responses you've come up with, that's painfully obvious to me. Do you really not have the introspective ability to see that?

Why would you even suggest that I would 'dismiss' such a horrible statement?

I'll tell you why; because you WANT to believe that I'm hateful.

Your desire to believe that Obama and his supporters are so awful has twisted your perspective, and this exchange has demonstrated that.


Think MF, and learn introspection. Many Obama supporters are OK with the idea of a Clinton presidency, just not her lying and her methods.

The fact of the matter is, the real 'irrational hatred' is coming from people that say they will allow McCain to win rather than vote for Barack Obama because of non-existant 'sexism'.


You've proven here that not only will you allow posers to shape your perspective, but you will tell yourself that they are long-time DUers to reinforce that perspective. Then you would ignore my admonishment of something disgusting, and suggest that I would 'dismiss' it... for no other reason than you want to think of me, and other Obama supporters that way.

Yes MF, your perspective is certainly twisted.

Are you willing to look, or will you continue on making false assumptions to maintain your views?

[The Doctor.]

207. Huh... apparently you are also a liar;

"he's been here for many years, with thousands of posts. It wasn't a newbie troll." - MonkeyFunk

Here he is;

Username: Bensthename


Profile name Profile value
Member since Feb 14th 2008
Number of posts 2136


'years' huh?


MonkeyFunk, you are truly one of the more disingenuous posters on DU. You've made plenty of assertions you cannot and will not back up, you've demonstrated willful ignorance when it suits your position, and when you are faced with justifying your twisted perspective, you simply lie outright.

I'll be holding on to this one. Everyone should see how disingenuous you are.

[MonkeyFunk]

211. Ah, I'm sorry

I thought he was. An honest mistake, not a deliberate lie.

I'd seen the name a lot, and presumed wrong.

[wndycty]

68. Its a disease and ignore has it bad

LOL

[berni_mccoy]

58. If that is the case (I didn't see the show) then I would agree with you, *but*

she has called Obama sexist and she has made racially divisive remarks. This much *is* true. If you or Monkey do not see her remarks ("Obama is lucky to be black" and "I'm only being forced to resign because I'm white"), then I don't think I can agree with you on this. Alas, different perspectives, different ideas... we have other, more important common ground to work on.

[MonkeyFunk]

88. Yes, it is a different perspective

but I think the "lucky to be black" comment, taken in context, wasn't racist. I think it's perfectly reasonable to conclude that he wouldn't be in the race if he were white. You can disagree with the conclusion, but the reasonng isn't necessarily racist.

He probably wouldn't have been chosen to speak at the '04 convention if he were white. He then probably wouldn't have been elected to the Senate. And if he were, it's unlikely he'd run for President after 2 years. I don't see those observations as racist. You can disagree with them, but they don't imply any sort of racial inferiority on his part, and they don't make a broad-based assumption about african-americans.

I think it's unfortuante that even with Obama in the spotlight, and after his speech on race, we still can't discuss it in any rational way without accusations of racism being thrown in the first two minutes of the discussion.

[MadHound]

109. You may not see those observations as racist,

Nor see Ferraro's comments as racist, but the fact of the matter is that both are condescending and racist. Since you can't see these for what they truly are, perhaps you should step back and think about the matter before continuing to spew such bile and compound the problem.

[MonkeyFunk]

130. What bile did I spew?

Come on... try to act rationally.

and I knew somebody would call me a racist for explaining my view of what she said. Predictable, but wrong.

[wndycty]

112. But then you must admit Hillary is lucky to be a former 1st lady, do you think she could have. . .

. . .carpet bagged her Senate seat in New York if she wasn't? I don't begrudge her that, I supported that her and have made numerous donations to her senate campaign. But let's be honest with this whole "lucky to be black" comment, it ignores a lot of Hillary's "lucky to be. . ." situations.

[MonkeyFunk]

133. sure

She probably wouldn't be running for President had she not been first lady. See how easy it is to discuss the truth?

[redstate_democrat]

149. Well, tell me if the following statement is racist or sexist.

Hillary Clinton would not be where she is today if she were not a white woman. If she were a black man, she would not have been given the opportunity to sink universal health care in 1993 by her husband, and she would not have gotten the name recognition she would have gotten by marrying Bill Clinton, he would have not been governor or president, and therefore, she would have never been elected to the senate in New York with no prior legislative experience. As a result, she would not be where she is today in the presidential race. She is lucky to be white. She is lucky to be a woman. She is lucky to be a white woman.


What say you?

[woolldog]

221. He would've beaten Alan Keynes anyway.

C'mon! We're talking about Alan Keynes, who moved to Illinois for the race. lol

The tough part of that race was the democratic primary.

[goletian]

242. perfectly reasonable to conclude he wouldnt be in if he were white? HAHAHAHAHA

yeah, the long line of black presidents the us has had is a testament to that. if he were a white man, he probably wouldve locked up the nomination long ago. lol, thats got to be the stupidest thing anyone has said about obama.

[MonkeyFunk]

260. Why?

do you think he would've been chosen to speak at the 2004 convention? That's what launched him, nationally.

[goletian]

267. because hes just another black man getting a hand out, right?

[hokies4ever]

60. She was answering the question to cite specific examples of Obama being sexist to Hillary

Or did you miss that part of Meredith's question?

[wndycty]

65. Some of Hillary's supporters never let the truth get in the way of their misguided, miserable...

. . .divisive arguments.

[EffieBlack]

126. I love that she thinks it isn't racist for her to say that Obama is where he is because he's black

but it's sexist for Obama to say that he just brushes off Clinton's criticisms of him.

Apparently, in her mind, ANY criticism of a woman is sexist.

And it's also sexist if he DOESN'T criticize her - as a woman quoted in yesterday's NY Times piece claimed: "Nancy Wait, 55, a social worker in Columbia City, Ind., said Mr. Obama was far less qualified than Mrs. Clinton and described as condescending his recent assurances that Mrs. Clinton should stay in the race as long as she liked. "

Oh, well. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

82. But she more than implied

that the dismissive act *was* sexist... It gets to the heart of the idea many hill bots have, if you dismiss Hillary you're sexist, if you don't like Hillary you're sexist, if you don't vote for Hillary you're sexist..

[EffieBlack]

121. She used this an example of the sexism she claimed Obama had demonstrated

to her "dismissive" IS "sexist."

[yodermon]

140. dismissive *of women*. That is her obvious implication

watch it again.

[TooRaLoo]

164. Yes, and his being dismissive was what she cited as an example of sexism.

As you chronically fail to mention.

[JAbuchan08]

198. she was asked what Obama had done or said that was sexist

and as an example she cited that "dismissive" gesture, so by extension she was calling it sexist as well.

What is so hard to understand about that?

Is there some treatment to lessen the density of people's skulls, cuz we need it around here.

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[Joe the Revelator]

17. What is with your new found need to spin everything back to the victimization of the Clintons?

Its a very ineffective way to argue any point you may be trying to make.

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[MonkeyFunk]

35. I didn't say you did

I said "you guys" meaning Obama supporters - and there's no denying many of them have.

I apologize for including you.

[hokies4ever]

56. You causing trouble again Monkey Funk :-)

:rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

72. well

the mere presence of Clinton supporters seems to drive people nuts here.

[Joe the Revelator]

76. Even when you're called out, you can't help wanting to play the victim.

Its hilarious.

[MonkeyFunk]

80. What the hell are you talking about?

You guys are getting more and more desperate in your need to attack.

In another thread you said I was playing the victim because I said politicians ask for money. Take a break from DU for awhile and you'll see how insane that is.

But why even come into this thread just to attack me? There's no need for that - it's just silly. Take a break.

[wndycty]

83. No the mere presence of miserable, divisive, dishonest, irrational posts drive people nuts!

:kick:

[MonkeyFunk]

107. Well

your posts don't bother me that much. You're exaggerating.

[wndycty]

120. What am I exaggerating about?

:kick:

[ampad]

188. Well hell

Even though I got that person on ignore let me do the honors and call Buba and Oakley Annie racist. Yea I said it and I truly believe it. There now all the ignores can leave wndycty alone and come after me. :shrug:

[FredScuttle]

34. The difference is we have solid evidence of Hillary pandering to racists

For all the hue and cry about Obama's alleged "sexism", brushing imaginary dirt off his shoulders is all they have?

Clinton's campaign is politics as usual - slander, smear, appeal to the basest, vilest tendencies in voters and mislead/distort/cheat to win. A change is coming and right soon...

[VotesForWomen]

254. no, you only imagine that you do. other people may disagree.

[hokies4ever]

73. Hillary is the one advocating for the three-fifths compromise

Her entire argument is a euphemistic way of saying that the white working class voter is more important that the black voter. That's why she polls in the single digits with black voters. She keeps insulting our vote, won't apologize for it, and won't even stop doing it.

[marshall]

85. But there are SPECIFIC EXAMPLES that can be cited of Clinton's racism

Inviting him, when he was the frontrunner, to join her ticket; the Jesse Jackson in SC statement; and from her crony: Ferraro saying Obama only got where he is because he's black, then saying she's just being criticized because she is white, etc.

[Occam Bandage]

150. Ah. So all your irritation and anger over the Clintons being called "racist" was fraudulent?

After all, it's politics.

[MonkeyFunk]

182. fraudulent? LOL!

What an odd word to use.

But no, my irritation and anger were sincere. But I never started a vulgarity-laden thread about it. This OP seemed a bit overemotional.

[Occam Bandage]

197. Ah, you should know better than most

that bombastic overstatement of a valid emotional response to a news item is Democratic Underground's favorite sport.

[woolldog]

215. tarring the nominee as a sexist is stupid politics if you're a democrat

It's dumb. Even Hlllary isn't that reckless. And then to continue with the "white voter" and "blue collar meme" as an attempt to weaken the nominee is even more loathsome.

[MethuenProgressive]

4. OK, before the "outrage" - this will be completely debunked in two hours.

If the tradition holds.

[MethuenProgressive]

63. Just making a note here: Debunked in less than a half hour, didn't take two after all..

Completely debunked.

[hokies4ever]

78. You better hack that website to remove that video then

It shows Geraldine as a bitter old lady who could care less for the party if her candidate doesn't win. A former V.P. nominee now openly implying that she might vote for McCain.

[JAbuchan08]

202. that video has been debunked

along with you, your mom and all your family members. In fact, the floor I'm standing on has been debunked, as well as the computer I'm sitting at. In fact, if you are an Obama supporter you have likely been debunked, along with your vote, your state, your opinions and every negative thing you've ever observed about Hillary.

In fact their are so many (debunked) things that Hillary has done that they've gone ahead and just debunked Hillary, although this has caused quite a conundrum. If their own candidate has been debunked for the negative image she has given to Hillary can they still support her?

[Upton]

5. You mean the racist called Obama a sexist?

as you say there is much more evidence of Ferraro's racism.

[4themind]

9. She really sounds off her rocker

but her status as a democrat and former V.P. nominee makes the effect of what she's saying all the more dangerous if obama is the nominee. Hillary needs to come out publicly if she's serious about us 'all being together after this is over', you can't just glue the china together after it's been smashed into a million pieces.

[MadBadger]

7. He brushed his shoulders in response to the debate, not Hillary.

[Barack_America]

135. But Hillary was there, ergo, sexism.

Ferraro is a fool and a mockery of her former self.

And certainly no champion of feminism with these antics.

[anamandujano]

225. That was after he gave her the finger. The word immature comes to mind.

[Raineyb]

266. That is complete bullshit!

That lie has been completely debunked weeks ago.

You're not just grasping at straw, you're grasping at the straw shavings.

Pathetic.

Regards

[Perry Logan]

8. This is why we'll lose the GE--incontinent slander of our fellow Democrats.

Not a brilliant strategy.

[Ian David]

13. You mean the "Democrats" that work as pundits for Fox Noise Channel? n/t

[LizW]

19. "Incontinent slander"

Love that phrase! Perfectively descriptive.

[OneAmerica]

20. Let her keep slinging mud. Obama has the answer for her.

[MethuenProgressive]

25. Welcome to DU. Any proof she did what was claimed in the OP?

[MadBadger]

29. Here's your video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6038750&mesg_id=6038954

[wndycty]

31. Yup, when asked why she called him sexist she cites the "dirt off your shoulder" moment

She is crazy.

[Doityourself]

44. her whole rant was about calling out Obama as sexist...

[wndycty]

51. Yet she had no fucking evidence. . .if one of Obama's supporters called Hillary a racist. . .

. . .they would demand proof and ridicule the fuck out of him or her if there was none.

[Doityourself]

53. Agreed.

[MethuenProgressive]

32. Thanks for the video where she calls the gesture "dismissive," not "sexist as the OP claims.

[MadBadger]

77. But she cited that when asked how he was sexist.

[chascarrillo]

86. But that involves "context" and "multiple sentences". English language elitist!

:)

[Name removed]

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[MethuenProgressive]

11. Is there any evidence what the OP claims happened really happened?

[MadBadger]

23. The Raw Story video that is on the first page of DU

[MethuenProgressive]

54. Video proves she said "dismissive," not "sexist" as claimed.

Thanks!

[yourguide]

64. It was in response to the question

how has obama been sexist.

[muryan]

190. jesus, how many times are you going to repeat this down thread

after being verbally slapped upthread. Context, the entire conversation was about sexism. What is it like talking to you? I would assume based on this thread you get confused very easily.

[scheming daemons]

236. She was asked for an example of Obama being sexist.... that was her answer.... don't be a friggin'

moron.

[LizW]

27. Must it really have happened

for the usual suspects to create a hundred-post hate session around it? Not really.

[MethuenProgressive]

52. I recommend this insightful post.

Spot on, Liz.

[gaiilonfong]

14. Ferraro is a CROOK

Her and her X hubby are part of the crooked part of the NY Dem Party...she is a dinosaur and who wants to listen to her noinsense....just the Hillary supporters at ABC starting crap......They should send out Michelle Obama to slap that racist hack down...

[OzarkDem]

128. The Dem Boyz are a disgrace

take your bigotry, lies and hatred of Dem women where it belongs - at the GOP.

[muryan]

191. We dont hate dem women

We find it hilarious you describe this racist old bitch as a democrat, considering she works for foxnews and has said she wont vote for the democratic nominee.

[Ian David]

15. Geraldine A. Ferraro... I'm just sayin' ...

See prior threads:

Geraldine A. Ferraro... I'm just sayin' ...
Topic started by IanDB1 on Mar-11-08 06:19 PM (10 replies)
Last modified by IanDB1 on Mar-11-08 06:45 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5024813


Clinton rejects calls from the Obama campaign to remove Ferraro
Topic started by sabra on Mar-11-08 05:21 PM (56 replies)
Last modified by Mystery2Me on Mar-11-08 09:38 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5023831

[shellgame26]

16. She is a miserable old has-been

that like HIllary, feel they have a sense of entitlement to the white house. They cannot stand the thought of this uppity boy coming out of nowhere and stealing the limelight. Doesn't she have to go and change her Depends now? Must be the reason for her perpetual scowl. GO AWAY GERRI GO AWAY YOU GIVE WOMEN A BAD NAME.

[Vinca]

18. Jay-Z, Gerry, Jay-Z. It's a new century.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obamas_jayz_moment.html

[alcibiades_mystery]

69. Dirt off your shoulders" is a common trope in AA culture for at least 100 years

Jay-Z is citing it, so is Obama. That doesn't mean that Obama was citing Jay-Z.

[Vinca]

87. The point is, it wasn't a sexist remark as Ferraro alleges. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

163. Of course it wasn't

The point is clear enough. The notion that the phrase comes from Jay-Z, however, is dubious at best.

[MethuenProgressive]

218. "sexist remark"? She mimiced a gesture and called it "dismissive"

The OP has been very succesful this AM.

[MethuenProgressive]

22. Flame bait.

[MadBadger]

24. You dont respond earlier and then call flamebait later.

[wndycty]

28. Ignored called this thread flamebait? Is Geraldine a DUer named ignored. . .

. . .who else would see that as flamebait. LOL her comments are indefensible and any DUer who would defend her comments is crazy.

[MethuenProgressive]

41. You and undercoverduer have me on Ignore? Aw, that really hurts!

But, how can you stalk me if I'm on ignore?

[mckeown1128]

97. I have you on ignore too...

I just took everyone off because I couldn't understand the conversation in here. lol I think I will put you back on. Only problem is you are so completely ridiculous as a human being..that... I almost don't want to put you back on ignore. lol

[apocalypsehow]

233. Typical HRC booster: gets called on their bullshit and starts squawking about being "stalked."

Pathetic. :thumbsdown:

[nebula]

26. That's why Ferraro lost 49 states

Voters saw her for what she was. A vile, disgusting old hag.

[MethuenProgressive]

30. Video proves she said the gesture was "dismissive," not "sexist" as the OP claims.

Debunked in less time than usual.

[Doityourself]

47. her whole rant was about Obama being sexist...and Maddow says I don't think it was sexist..yet

she still tries to link it...

She's a piece of crazy and a whole plate of bitter! Tell her, Clinton will not win, and she must get over it!

[Name removed]

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[DadOf2LittleAngels]

92. She was asked a question:

How has obama been sexist:

Her answer:

He brushed his shoulder, thats dismissive...

In full context its pretty clear she thought the gesture was sexist..

[Nederland]

241. So being dimissive of women isn't sexist? (nt)

[mopinko]

37. jesus

i hope these people go start their own whiny baby party.

[gaiilonfong]

40. She did it is called Ferraro(CROOK-NY)

She is worse than Ed Koch

[BlooInBloo]

39. They can't name even one thing that Obama has done that is sexist..

[wndycty]

43. And its sick no one is really calling her out. If a high profile Obama supporter called Hillary...

. . .racist folks would be having fits.

[mopinko]

45. nothing quite like confirmation that you have chosen your ignores well.

half this thread is ignore, ignore.

:hi: wndy. whassup? we need a get together.

[wndycty]

49. I'm fine, how are you?

Yeah the Chicago DU contingent has not had a get together in a long time.

[mopinko]

66. i'm good. busy.

just got back from a vacation and getting my 'land legs' back. took a cruise to alaska. it was big fun.

we do need a get together. maybe after hillary goes home, we could get together and see about doing something for barack. a du road trip to a red state!

so, did you hear about this- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3312174&mesg_id=3312174

[OneAmerica]

48. Somebody tell that sweetie pie to come down.

She sounds bitter.

[TexasObserver]

89. Today Geraldine Ferraro proved she is a sexist.

Only a sexist views all events as the result of sexism. Brushing off silly statements, whoever makes them, is not a sexist action, but claiming they are the result of sexism is itself a sexist act.

Ferraro is part of that very old group of women who think they're still in 1955, and Biff won't let them join the club.

[MethuenProgressive]

91. The video shows she did not say what the OP claims.

She called the gesture "dismissive," and it was.

[chascarrillo]

94. Ferraro was asked for examples of sexism. She cited brushing the dirt off as an example.

How hard is that for you to fucking understand?

[wndycty]

95. Some folks don't understand simple logic

:kick:

[chascarrillo]

99. Ferraro even said "Let me give you specifics." and followed up with the "dirt".

I mean, come on! It's not like someone won't post the transcript soon.

[KAZ]

100. Not "don't". Won't.

[Medusa]

96. Wow-your eyes must be lying to you

because I did see her use the shoulder-brush off as an example of Obama's alleged sexism. The video proves it but wow-you people are really bound and determined to claim that wasn't what she meant when it clearly was. Whatever. You're also the same people who claim she's "winning". :eyes:

[Bodhi BloodWave]

104. It usually helps showing the context of the answer

She was asked a question: How has obama been sexist?

Her answer: He brushed his shoulder, thats dismissive

Based on the question she was asked, her answers shows that she considers the brushing to be sexist

Repeating yourself(like you have done in this thread) does not make something anymore true

[EffieBlack]

151. He responds to her criticism: Sexist. He ignores her criticism: Sexist

Get it?

[butterfly77]

228. Would it matter if she was a man..

she wants to be treated as equal to men but she keeps on bringing up this sexist crap..

[book_worm]

98. She has been one of Hill's most disgraceful surrogates.

[Major Hogwash]

103. Why is she even on tv?

Is the Hillary camp so scared of losing in Kentucky today that they had to roll out their biggest racist supporter of all?

[butterfly77]

229. Didn't she send out ferraro on a media blitz...

just before other primaries when she began to feel increasingly DESPERATE..

[SeaLyons]

106. when you call a journalist

"sweetie", it's a pretty good indication you have sexist tendencies. Anyone calling Ferraro a bigot is full of it. Absolutely not true.

[qanda]

111. Sorry, wrong spot.

[Thrill]

117. Just like when CNN asked women on the street if sweetie was sexist

and they all said no.

Another fake controversy.

[OzarkDem]

115. Your silly "race card" strategy isn't working any more

in fact, since Obama showed his own bigotry and sexism in recent weeks, the "race card" is working against you.

Some of us want Dems to win the election in November. Your guy needs to get out, he can't win and his failed "race card" strategy is a perfect example of how his campaign will go down in flames well before November.

[hokies4ever]

122. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

125. Your misogyny is destroying your candidate

He won't make it to the GE, thank goodness for the Dem party.

[hokies4ever]

134. The political pain train is coming baby!

Barack is about to knock Hillary off the tracks and send her back to the Senate. :rofl:

[VolcanoJen]

142. Why won't he make it to the GE?

I think I know what your answer is, but you'd never admit it publicly.

And the poster you were responding to has a fair point... enjoy donating more money to the Mark Penn Memorial Retirement Fund.

[hokies4ever]

162. Thanks VolcanoJen

I really hate how Hillary has turned this primary season into something all about her. It's almost as if she thinks that she has a 3rd party with her supporters. :rofl:

[Barack_America]

136. Sorry, we're talking about Ferraro and her bullshit claims of sexism.

That's the topic of this thread, in case you hadn't sorted that out.

Care to comment on the topic at hand?

[VolcanoJen]

141. Our guy is the nominee, OzarkDem.

He's not going anywhere. He's not getting out. He's winning, he's won. It's called "reality."

[Starbucks Anarchist]

178. Neither is your gender card.

You're all out of chips.

[Renew Deal]

181. "Your guy can't win"

coming fro the losers, it doesn't say much.

[VolcanoJen]

139. Clearly, Ferraro, and many Hillary posters, have never heard of Jay-Z.

:shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

143. IMO, Geraldine is a bitter and shameless WASTE of humanity.

:thumbsdown:

[mmonk]

144. Not really. She's looking for any way to stay on message.

[pompano]

146. The sad part is....

when she (Gerry) was running there was to some degree an essence of sexism. To me that makes this latest claim for Clinton so much more bogus. Hillary has not endured sexism at all compared to what Geraldine went through and even that wasn't alot.

When Geraldine ran she was the brunt of late nite comedians jokes because of who she was. But, what politician isn't?

I can remember bumper stickers from 86' that said crude things like:

"Tits and Fritz in 86"
"Ovaries in the Oval"
"Fritz and no-Witz..... "all that shit."
(don't flame the messenger here, just explaining)

My point is she should know what real sexism looks like and clearly see this is not happening in Hillary's case. There is no other reason I suppose Hillary can explain her dismal campaign and near blow-out loss without playing the professional victim card, that clearly here is not the case, and Geraldine should know it.

Shame on you Geraldine. Your not being honest or you are too far removed to see what is actually going on.

[DemGa]

147. Obama can be very dismissive, very condescending

and his passive aggressive style goes for the perceived weakness. Does it piss people off? You bet it does.

[ShortnFiery]

158. Yeah, how dare an AA man be articulate and smart?!? How dare he challenge Miss Hilly.

White Prividlege perspectives are alive and well with HRC Supporters.

Shinin' the Lite on White Privilege

http://www.prisonactivist.org/cws/sharon.html


In 1920, white women got the vote after 100 years of struggle. But they got it by promising Southern segregationists that they would use the vote to support white supremacy. Today, a divided women's movement still lacks the power to enact mandatory maternity leave for all working parents, despite the fact that women are more than 50% of all voters.

In 1973, abortion finally became legal in the U.S. But white middle class women, the main beneficiaries of Roe v. Wade, did not wield their organizing power to oppose the Hyde Amendment (which restricted abortions for women on welfare) or the sterilization of Puerto Rican and other poor women of color. So when the Right rolled back abortion rights in the 1980's, there was no powerful multi-racial feminist movement to stop it. Today, 80% of U.S. counties are without abortion services.

The legacy of 'the strategy of the slave owners' demonstrates that when oppressed whites protest against their own oppression, while refusing to simultaneously challenge racial oppression and white privilege, they can win short term victories (a union, legislative reform, a constitutional amendment, etc.) But when they organize in this way, they themselves become oppressors of people of color. Their silence is consent to racial oppression and white privilege.

And they sacrifice the possibilities for building coalitions with activists of color which could challenge the power of the descendants of the slave owners -- the capitalist power which oppresses all of us today.

[Name removed]

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[bridgit]

168. Not to worry, if post #150 is to be taken series, he's the Hip Hop Candidate

[muryan]

194. Better than the banjo candidate

[TheZug]

148. Someone with well-documented racist remarks and mob connections should not throw stones.

[ecstatic]

152. VIDEO

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/24722757#24722757

[reflection]

154. Pathetic.

My first political experience was going to a Mondale/Ferraro rally. You couldn't pay me to walk across the street to see her now. What kind of party elder cuts the nominee off at the knees like that? If she is suffering from some sort of mental defect, then I apologize. Otherwise, she is a piece of garbage. Garbage that needs to be taken out and thrown away.

[bridgit]

155. See, now that's where her & I differ, cause I think it makes him a snarky snob...

:patriot:

[EffieBlack]

156. Did you notice how when naming all of the "qualified" Dems, she clicked off everyone else but Obama?

You know, Barack Obama - the guy who has more experience than Ferraro did when SHE thought she was qualified to be one heartbeat away from the presidency? When she ran for vice president, she had been in the U.S. Congress for less than 6 years; prior to that, she was in the Queen's County D.A.s office.

And she has the nerve to claim that Obama - with a resume that puts hers to shame - is not qualified to be President?

What a piece of work.

[wndycty]

159. Yup I saw that

:kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

165. She said "equally competent," not "qualified"

Just sayin'...

[SoonerPride]

166. Well it is obvious to any observer that Hillary is incompetent. Obama is far more competent.

Her campaign started with a gigantic lead in delegates, name recognition, and money.

She squandered every advantage she had.

I'd call that gross incompetence.

She isn't fit to be President of a large company much less the country.

[MethuenProgressive]

167. 18 million voters disagree with you. So far.

More today.

[SoonerPride]

171. Again, she should have be our nominee by now if she weren't incompetent

She gets votes based upon her brand name and fondness for her spouse's terms in the 90s.

Her organization is a freak show disaster movie of gross incompetence.

[MethuenProgressive]

174. If Obama/Axelrod hadn't Swiftboated the Clintons on race, she'd have clinched months ago.

But instead, we see threads like this, and posts like yours.

[SoonerPride]

177. Oh that's rich. Yeah, because if it weren't for blacks Obama wouldn't have won.

Because you know it's the black vote which is the only thing he's got going for him.

Meanwhile, she ignored caucus states to her detriment, Mark Penn didn't even know how delegates were apportioned, they wasted money, they ran a very poorly organized campaign, and yet, it's just the fact that people called them on their race-baiting that caused them to implode.

Dream on.

[muryan]

195. Please tell me what they did to make her lose Iowa?

Because that was the very beginning, and thats when her campaign got a huge wake up call that they didnt answer

[EffieBlack]

175. That's even worse

She's saying that Obama is the only one of the group who is not "equally competent" to Hillary?

Interesting. I wonder what makes Obama any less "competent" than, say, John Edwards?

[SoonerPride]

179. The answer is in your screen name.

Ferraro is a racist, plain and simple.

[ecstatic]

203. Definitely noticed that. Her problem with Obama is personal

and has nothing to do with sexism or her other BS excuses.

[Buzz Clik]

161. Ferraro was an embarrassment when she ran for VP. Nothing has changed.

[Eurobabe]

169. She is a nutbag. Pay her no mind.

I don't know why the networks continue to give her airtime. :shrug:

They must be bored.

[Arugula Latte]

170. It's also 10 times more evidence that she's nuts.

Sad ... I used to admire that nasty woman.

[stillcool]

172. It's all part of the "Campaign Strategy"

Sunday, November 4, 2007
CLINTON PLANNED TO USE GENDER CARD ALL ALONG

RON FOURNIER, AP - Clinton's advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss internal matters, said there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her. The idea is to change the subject while making Clinton a sympathetic figure, especially among female voters who often feel outnumbered and bullied on the job. As one adviser put it, Clinton is not the first presidential candidate to play the "woe-is-me card" but she's the first major female presidential candidate to do it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_po/on_deadline_c...

Did Hillary "Play The Gender Card"?
By Greg Sargent - November 2, 2007, 3:51PM

So what really happened here, anyway?
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/11/did_hillary_play_the_gender_card.php
After the debate, Hillary's campaign sent out an email describing her as "one tough woman" and deriding the nature of the "piling on" that had ensued. And the next day, AFSCME president Gerald McEntee endorsed Hillary with remarks that almost certainly had plenty of input from the Hillary campaign: "Six guys against Hillary. I’d call that a fair fight. This is one strong woman.:
So just after the debate the campaign didn't argue that she was being attacked because she's a woman. But the campaign clearly did try to strongly emphasize the gender picture here.
--------------------

Hillary pollster Mark Penn subsequently said in a conference call that the image of six men beating up on Hillary would play well with female voters. And anonymous Clinton advisers told the Associated Press that "there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of
gathering against her." Though one should approach anonymous stuff with caution, this doesn't seem especially difficult to believe.
---------------------------------------------------------
Bottom line: As best as we can determine, Hillary never explicitly made the accusation that the men were piling up on her because she's a woman. But you'd have to be very credulous indeed not to believe that the campaign is explicitly trying to emphasize, for various political reasons, the fact that she's a woman getting hammered by a bunch of men. I don't know if that constitutes "playing the gender card" or not -- the exact meaning of the term is unclear, at least to me -- but that's obviously what's going on.

[bicentennial_baby]

173. Just watched the video...Jellybean's gone cuckoo-bananas...

WOW. :o

Credibility...shot!

[MattNC]

183. wow

just watched it. she dominated that interview, rarely letting Rachel get a word in. but i don't take ferraro seriously anymore, so who cares?

[haymakeragain]

184. Just more of the kitchen sink. They got nothing so they make it up.

Karl taught them that one, and he says she's more electable you know, so we better all jump on board.

This is OBVIOUS posturing in the hopes it turns out a great many women to vote for Hillobeans. Too bad it is so insulting to women.

Has anyone else noticed how all the usual suspects keep repeating the meme, over and over and over and over, just like Karl's flying monkey brigade? I've noticed.

Truly sad and desperate.

[madrchsod]

185. she`s old and in the way...time to move on

[Bensthename]

187. I about fell out of my chair when she called that sexism.. She is an embarrassment to the dem party...

She should be banned from TV, radio, paper, and leaving her house... She is an ass.

[SoonerPride]

192. I was thinking we shoud make her use the rounded end scissors

For her protection, keep sharp and pointy things away from her.

[JackORoses]

196. Fuck that old Hag! Does she actually think she is helping Hillary?

[MethuenProgressive]

206. Calm down. She didn't say what the OP claims.

She mimiced the gesture and said, "that's dismissive."
That's why the OP didn't provided a link.

[haymakeragain]

209. I think that notion has been "dismissed".

She was asked what is "sexist" and as an example, she said that gesture was "dismissive". I think being "dismissive" can be construed as being "sexist", which is exactly what she was doing.

The gesture of swiping one's hand off of your shoulder is meant to say just wipe off the criticism and keep going, don't mean a thing. Not wipe off that uppity woman.

[JackORoses]

249. Are you defending Ferraro's claims of Sexism?

She is setting the Women's Movement back 20 years withe her buffoonery.

[Darth_Kitten]

269. You call her an old hag, and SHE'S setting the women's movement back?

Geez, somebody is cranky because he never learned that women are human beings. :sarcasm:

YOU set the women's movement back 500 years, dear.
I'm just curious, when men rape, cheat, lie, kill, etc, are they setting back mankind? No.... but when a mere woman says something we may not like, oh, she's destroying the women's movement. Whatever.

[Darth_Kitten]

268. Gee, chill a bit.....and stop being so derogatory.........

geez, grow up.

[Independent-Voter]

208. Another old, bitter white woman for Hillary. Can't say I'm surprised.

[haymakeragain]

210. Suspicously vicious.

Sorry, I don't trust anyone.

[Independent-Voter]

213. You should be, but I truly mean it. HRC and Ferraro aren't doing the Dems any favors

Come on Dems, don't fuck up the presidential election again. The country could use a break from the neo-cons, of which HRC certainly is.

[ShortnFiery]

216. Not just Dems, they SHAME US older white women voters who see leaders as those who RISE above

the petty politics of the past.

NO! Please don't lump me (white, over 40 y.o., woman) in with THOSE bitter and mean-spirited old women.

[Independent-Voter]

219. You don't sound bitter :) You & my mom would get along great. She's PISSED at HRC's triangulation!

[Darth_Kitten]

275. Maybe you shouldn't resent older women so much then.......

:eyes:

[Independent-Voter]

285. Again, just pointing out HRC's most reliable and stable base isn't resentment.

No more than saying the sky is blue. Reality is....reality. Some of us live here. Try it!

[Darth_Kitten]

276. Well, just turn off some more older women voters.....

I mean, why should they even matter huh? It's all about progressives like you, hmm? :sarcasm:

[Darth_Kitten]

273. Another young, rabid, know-it-all kid supporting Obama? Ho hum.....

:shrug:

[Independent-Voter]

286. Hardly a kid. Why are you so bent out of shape about me calling out HRC's base?

[MethuenProgressive]

214. Amazing this is still getting recs when it was debunked hours ago.

I'll give it a dismissive charity kick, just for unity's sake.

[SoonerPride]

217. Are you her husband or something?

She clearly has lost her mind and continuing to pretend that the OP is mistaken only makes you look more lost than she is.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

222. Amazing you're still trying this strategy.

When you were debunked in minutes flat.

[Bensthename]

223. What was debunked?

I seen this happed too. No debunking this issue.

[scheming daemons]

240. Q: Give an example of Obama being sexist. A: The brush off shoulder thing was "dismissive".

See..... She was answering a question about what Obama has done that is sexist.


She used the brush-off thing as an example.



You're being obtuse.



Or... you're a friggin' moron.

[goletian]

243. or both, like most of the people who would defend such a stupid person. ferraro is an idiot.

[butterfly77]

227. I was watching this nut..

on television complaining about my favorite youtube spots that I keep bookmarked everytime I hear some Hillary Bushit. How in the hell is this sexist every damn word or movement he does is portrayed as sexist.

Hillary and her friends want to be portrayed as equal but they keep bringing up this sexist crap. I guess it is time to go look at my favorite videos Shame on you Geraldine and Hillary! I need to brush that dirt off my shoulders...

[wndycty]

230. LOL

:kick:

[invictus]

231. K & R

[ej510]

238. Feraro is old and out of touch.

[stratomagi]

239. In Ferraro's World

Noose is to Black as
Brushing Shoulder Off is to Woman.

:hide:

[cottonseed]

246. There's generational stuff going on too.

Ferraro just doesn't understand what's happening right now. She won't either. The world's different.

[knixphan]

247. Amen. Thank goodnes the world is evolving...

[nxylas]

248. Brushing your shoulder is sexist, scratching your nose is sexist....

Charlie Brooker in The Guardian nailed it when he compared some of Hillary's more extreme supporters to those unfortunate individuals who think that TV newsreaders are sending them coded messages, except that they don't even have the defence of insanity.

[cbc5g]

251. shes an embarrassment to this nation and especially the democrat party n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

270. Well, if you said this, it must be true.

:sarcasm:

[tishaLA]

274. haha! "the democrat party"! You're a card!

[VotesForWomen]

252. i can't really take this seriously from a guy who has been screaming racism non-stop for 6 mos.

[demo dutch]

255. I absolutely agree with her!!!! Sexism is rampant int his country! The US is soo backwards really!

[nichomachus]

256. Someone needs to tell the Mafia Princess to shut up

[Darth_Kitten]

271. insulting italians now?

oh, how sweet. :sarcasm:

[Butch350]

258. I Just Don't See It !!!

How can Barack be a sexist when his whole family mainly consists of women?

His wife, two daughters, mother, grand mother. Hell, the man's been around women all his life.

[LoZoccolo]

259. Recommended; this belongs on the front page where she can see it. n/t

[hfojvt]

262. I thought the dirt off the shoulders was about the moderators, not about Hillary.

Weren't the moderators both male?

[SlipperySlope]

263. K&R

[dansolo]

265. What about Hillary's "And the skies will open..." line?

Hillary was far more dismissive of Obama. The brushing off gesture was not even directed at Hillary. He was just indicating how he lets all of the distractions just fall off of him. Hillary (And Ferraro) are just pissed that they continue to try and goad Obama into responding negatively, and he never does.

[MethuenProgressive]

277. This obvious intentional flame bait was debunked several hours ago.

And the True Believers are still give this HateFest recs...

[Freida5]

278. Another Obama supporter showing their bigotry.

[EmilyAnne]

279. Where? How?

[FogerRox]

280. This OP is over the TOP,

[QC]

288. Yep, pretty hateful even for the Kool-Aid Brigade.

And that's really saying something.

[jgraz]

283. Geraldine needs to shut the fuck up and drink her scotch.

[MethuenProgressive]

284. This thread is a sad commentary on the quality of thinking displayed by DU members.

Thoughtful DU members would've hit 'alert' and not 'recommend'.

[datopbanana]

287. Denial much?

[MethuenProgressive]

289. ^ See what I mean?

[datopbanana]

290. You said: "She didn't say what the OP claims, as the video proves."

When asked for a specific example of BO's sexism she cited BRUSHING OFF HIS SHOULDERS.

That is why you are in denial.