Press, Democratic Party guilty of "misogynistic holocaust"?

[NorthernSpy]

Just how far are some Hillary supporters willing to go in pushing their victimhood meme? See for yourself:

Again, while you apparently understand the consequences of the party split, you are blaming the victim not the cause. You are also overlooking the cavalier attitudes that allows such a split to take place, How the media and certain factions in the democratic party have treated Hillary amounts to nothing less than a misogynistic holocaust; yet A local party bigwig recently "assured" me that disaffected voters, especially women, will never leave the Democratic Party because "they have no place to go."

I've heard many reasonable calls for party unity, but the arrogance and callousness of that statement gave me chills. As Board Vice Chair of our local SafeHouse Alliance and as an author and court certified legal expert on areas of domestic violence, I know first hand that 'you've no place to go" is the hallmark of abusers. Believing they can act with impunity because their victims have "have no place to go," they intimidate their targets into staying in terrible situations. But voters are not battered wives...and, right or wrong and/or despite potentially crushing political consequences, they don't equate abandoning a party they perceive has dismissed, disrespected and abandoned them with having their heads bashed in.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/clinton_supporters_in_their_ow.html


:crazy:

[K Gardner]

1. Its time for them to GO GO GO ! Enough of this divisive bullshit!

[mod mom]

14. As a woman I cry BS. I agree end the divisive BS!

[PoliticalAmazon]

17. ITA. It is embarassing and humiliating. She and some of her supporters...

are pathetic, and making it harder for the next woman candidate for president to be successful.

I think the Hillary experience is like getting plastered on Spanada. It makes you so sick and it leaves such a bad taste in your mouth that you never want to experience it again. I'm worried that voters will remember Hillary's campaign, throw up in their own mouths, and then transfer that feeling to ALL women candidates for president.

[K Gardner]

Graphic but so totally true ! Let's hope the next woman who tries has some dignity and integrity.

[Arrowhead2k1]

2. That's sad.

How low can these desperate shrills go?!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

73. "shrills" - not a great choice of words.

n/t

[OhioBlue]

3. disgusting. n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

133. It's a Great Name For A Band.

[Ian David]

4. The Chickocaust? n/t

[billyoc]

19. I believe the proper spelling is "Hillocaust".

Godwin's Law in action. :eyes:

[Ian David]

20. Oh, that's even better! n/t

[SlipperySlope]

102. N/T

[DAGDA56]

5. One should be very careful when using the word "holocaust"...

...this kind of usage obviously cheapens the meaning. Such ignorance!

[SoonerPride]

6. I agree. That's shameful over reaching

[Texas Hill Country]

26. ummm... when an 'ism' affects 52+ percent of the worlds population, and women around the world are

owned, drowned, have their genetailia mutilated, beaten, raped, tortured, abused, treated as second class citizens, sold as sex slaves, stoned to death for showing a peice of hair, and far more...


i would say that the world is suffering from a misogynistic holocaust.

[SoonerPride]

38. AND THE FUCKING DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS RESPONSIBLE??

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??

[Texas Hill Country]

89. i did not say that, but all of it fits into an over arching mindset and attitude that treats women

as second class citizens...


Lets take racism as an example... just because lynchings dont happen all the time, and there arent segregated schools and bathrooms and restaurants, etc... does not mean that racism does not exist, and that any form of it should be tolerated... because any racist attitude is part of the mindset that lead to things like the lynchings and jim crow laws, etc.

[SoonerPride]

95. Hillary Clinton was not treated as a second class citizen. SHE WAS THE FRONTRUNNER

The press nor the Democratic party are responsible for any slights on her whatsoever, and to extrapolate any perceived or actual verbal slights and sexism from message board flunkies in the blogosphere with genital mutilations, rape and the Holocaust extermination of 6 MILLION PEOPLE is vile and repulsive beyond the extreme.

She lost a campaign due to gross incompetence and mismanagemnt.

Period.

[Texas Hill Country]

96. if you can tell me that Chris Matthews comment that Hillary only got elected to the Senate because

her husband cheated on her and they felt sorry for her is not a sexist remark, and a horrendous one at that, with a straight face, I will buy you a friggin cookie... and then recommend you for Haldol treatment.

[SoonerPride]

98. One commentator is not THE PRESS nor is it the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

Extrapolating the comments of one nut hardly makes for an effective footing from which to base your assertion.

[Texas Hill Country]

104. just providing an example... glad you could explain it away tho. thanks for your contribution.

[nxylas]

41. And Hillary losing a primary contest is comparable to that

Riiiight :eyes:

[Texas Hill Country]

90. allowing small abuses opens the door to larger ones.

[frylock]

112. look what allowing you to post your crap here has lead to

[Texas Hill Country]

119. oh, its all MY fault?!?!?! wow, thank you for enlightening me. my whole worldview has now changed

[nemo137]

127. Hold on, Hillary Clinton losing a series of fair and open elections

some of which were even skewed to her advantage, is a small abuse that will lead to some unspecified, misogynistic catastrophe?

How does that scan?

[Barrymores Ghost]

44. To compare what you just said to Clinton and her supporters feeling "dissed by the guys" is idiocy.

But you go right on ahead and try to make that case...as it serves only to further differentiate and marginalize your candidate from the reality-based community.

[RandomKoolzip]

66. Misogyny is real, it is systemic, it is poisonous. It exists, and it is NOT to be trivilaized.

Comparing Hillary Rodham Clinton's impending primary loss to rape or genital mutilation is an insult to those women who HAVE been through such atrocities.

[Texas Hill Country]

87. i agree with you, but all that fits into a larger context that does include the way Hillary was

treated by a number of the press. For instance, the abominable way in which she has been treated by Chris Matthews.

[Barrymores Ghost]

40. "Shameful over-reaching" has been the Clinton Campaign SOP from the get-go...

Is it any wonder that her sycophants resort to this sub-imbecilic screeching? They're simply parroting her speech, her behavior, her tactics.

[emilyg]

54. I'm a survivor and I thank you.

[TexasObserver]

110. It's a word. It should be used any time someone thinks it works.

Please tell me you're not one of those people who believes there can be only one holocaust.

[frylock]

113. fucking idiot..

just using words i think will work.

[TexasObserver]

115. the holocaust of poor education in America

Did public education fail you?

[frylock]

118. not at all..

did i spell "fucking" incorrectly?

[TexasObserver]

124. you poor thing

I'll hope that you find your way back to civilization and sanity.

[NorthernSpy]

120. it's a word that means barbed wire, ovens, and millions of people turned to smoke...

Holocaust = "All Burnt Up".

[Texas Hill Country]

122. actually, no it doesnt. that is the popular connotation, but it is a term that can certainly be

applied to other subject matter.

[TexasObserver]

123. It means the bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden

It also means the burning down of the complex in Waco.

It also means the things you mentioned.

[sakura]

125. "Holo" means complete. "Kaustos" means burnt sacrificial offering

The attempted annihilation of the Jewish people and other groups considered less than pure or desirable is the best exemplar of the term holocaust. Those people were "sacrificed" on the altar of the German state. To compare such an atrocity to the way Hillary has been treated by the media is ludicrous. It's beyond that. It's sick and demeaning to anyone who died in the holocaust, survived it or has family who did. It's also demeaning to anyone who is none of the above but is disgusted that humans could treat others in that way. It's demeaning to those of us who value the term because it reminds us of the horrible things that humans are capable of.

A lamb was traditionally led to the altar to be sacrificed and burnt. So were the victims of the holocaust. The other things you mentioned were certainly horrible and the first two I'd even classify as atrocities at the level of the holocaust, but they don't fit the term "holocaust." No one was led to the altar. No one was held up as a sacrifice that would purify a nation.

Hillary's campaign and surrogates have shown on numerous occassions how willing they are to coopt terms with specific emotional meaning for their own ends. Being told to "go to the back of the bus," a "misogynistic holocaust,": coopting these terms indicates a singular readiness to misuse terms and ideas that are almost sacred to the American people. Sadly this isn't to advance a cause such as the women's movement. It's pretty clear by now that this is all for about advancing one thing only-- Hillary. Here's an idea: make up some new terms. Don't demean the ones that already have specific, important meaning.

[TexasObserver]

126. I don't care about the hyperbole by Hillary's supporters.

I care about word Nazis who think they have the right to decide the meaning of every word, and have a right to trademark a word and exert proprietary rights on its use.

Holocaust is a word which means exactly what I said it means. If you choose to believe the word means one particular event in human history, that is your opinion, and that is the world that exists in your mind. I realize the unctuous and the officious often think they have the right to decide all things for all humans, but it simply is not true. You are entitled to your OPINION that it means what you think it means.

[sakura]

128. And you have a right to call names, too.

It doesn't make your opinion any stronger, however. In fact, it makes you look weak. Words are much more than what you imply, and the Clinton campaign and her surrogates (and Republican strategists) know this. Words carry emotional baggage and connote more than their dictionary definition might suggest. Lynch. Rape. Gangbang. Holocaust. I object to her campaign taking a word that is loaded with emotional meaning to just about everyone who is aware of the events of WWII, and twisting it to suit the campaign's purpose. I don't think that makes me a Nazi, but if you want to call me one, feel free. But recognize that doing so makes it harder to understand what you mean.

[TexasObserver]

129. blah blah blah

Read. Expand your mind. Learn that words mean more than you give them credit. The emotional baggage is all in your head. It's yours, so you have to carry it, not me, and not everyone around you.

[sakura]

130. "Blah, blah, blah." Nice comeback.

My eight-year-old could do better.

But maybe you mean something different when you write, "blah, blah, blah." Who knows? You seem to be okay with making up new meanings for words.

[TexasObserver]

132. Class is dismissed.

Some students can't learn and some students won't learn. You've had the lesson. Whether you can follow it is your choice.

[D-Sooner]

134. I agree to an extent

We the people infuse words with their meanings and connotations through usage, but you can't deny that connotations do exist.

For instance, would you tell a black person who's just been called the n-word that "The emotional baggage is all in your head"?

[TexasObserver]

135. To answer your question, no, I wouldn't.

The N word is offensive when used by anyone who is not black. It was designed to be offensive and is considered offensive by the population. Holocaust is not such a word. It is a word that applies to a number of situations, some of which I mentioned earlier. The person who objected to its use for the situations I listed, situations to which the word clearly applies, objected because she thinks there can be only one holocaust.

Let's examine why this notion is silly. We once had something called The Great Depression. It is often used as an example when we discuss events we face today. No one maintains that the word "depression" should only apply to that one time in our history. Our brains are highly developed. We can understand that the word applies to many circumstances and still remember distinctly the Great Depression. Our other uses of the word depression do not diminish our memory or understanding of the Great Depression.

We have entered an era when some people who claim to be progressive are never the less fascist in their use of language. They are people who love censorship, who want to control language of others, who attempt to take control of words and make all in society accept their dominance over the word. There will always be phony progressives, who betray the most basic of progressive ideals: freedom of communication and thought.

[D-Sooner]

136. Wrong

The n-word was not derogatory by design. It was coined to describe skin color, and color alone carries no value judgment. The word gained its notoriety only through association with historical events--just like the word holocaust. Now I agree that everyone should be free to attempt to apply new connotations to words, but it's inevitable that certain words (e.g., holocaust, appeasement, emancipation) are going to hearken to specific historical events and people are bound to be offended. That's just the risk of using a loaded term.

[TexasObserver]

137. No, you're wrong.

You are uninformed. I informed you, but you insist on believing nonsense that you accumulated some point in your life. We're done, as there is no value with conversing with you further, since you're ignorant and proud of it.

[D-Sooner]

139. Okay

You can't address my points, so you get frustrated and walk away. That's understandable, but it only proves your ignorance, not mine.

[sakura]

138. You write with such a broad brush.

Is there any ink left?

To you a person wanting to be specific in their terminology is a fascist and a phony progressive. Wow. I'm not sure if the person you are referring to is me or not, as your language wasn't very precise, but if it was, let me say this: I don't think there was only one holocaust. As I wrote, a holocaust is a sacrificial offering by fire. Period. So, yes, the Holocaust that happened during WWII qualifies, as would any offering you would care to make to Baal on your backyard altar/barbeque. Do the atrocities at Hiroshima and Nagasaki qualify? I don't think so, as a country wasn't offering a subset of its own on an altar of any kind. What happened there was one country committing an act of horrific violence to another. That fact that I wouldn't classify them as a holocaust does not take away from their import.

One of the things that makes the English language unique is its ability to describe things in extremely precise terms. That's a positive. Other languages may have a single word to describe the entire leg and foot-- not so helpful if your injured. Having precision of language allows us to explain things clearly, without physical gestures-- something that's key if you want the written word to be understood. If people want to be poetic with language, that is one thing. If people choose to be sloppy with language, that's another. You are free to do either-- I make no claim to want to control your language, and personally, I don't care for the PC crap that seems to be the main thing you are taking offense to. (Again, your language lacks specificity, which makes it hard to understand.) But if you want to be understood, you might want to choose your words carefully.

Words are symbols, just as art is. And both are imbued with meaning. If I were to draw a manji on my front door for all the community to see, people might be inflamed by it, even if I intended it as a symbol of my religion. On the other side of the world, people might see it differently.

Oh, and by the way, you chose a really poor example, that actually proves my point. The n***** is a horribly offensive word today, but it didn't start out that way. Today it has a really specific, emotion-charged meaning, but that wasn't always true. But feel free to use n***** however you like-- we'll just attribute any bad feelings you incur to the "world as it is in their own mind."

[Coexist]

7. that is a disgusting comparison

how dare they.

[BlooInBloo]

10. Just like DUer Clinton supporters "lynching".

[Coexist]

16. unhinged has never been so accurate an adjective.

[DJ13]

8. The biggest abuser of women in the primaries is ...... Hillary

She's counting on them responding to her cries of sexism to deny the Democratic nominee (which aint her) the possibility of winning the GE just so she can run again in 2012.

I would have thought most women had more common sense than to be used this way by a crass politician looking out for no one but herself and her self interests, but I guess I gaive women too much credit.

[havocmom]

9. 'back of the bus' crap was bad enough. THIS is unacceptable to the ninth power

How arrogant to be making statements comparing a simple primary loss to one of the (if not, THE) greatest mass murder in history.

FUCKING ASSHOLES! A political set back and personal failure to attain a goal is NOT any such things.

A little perspective and less fucking ego would be helpful.

[ShortnFiery]

11. WHAT? "holocaust"?!?!? OMG! That is some serious mud slinging. Someone get the hook? eom

[TexasObserver]

12. a misogynistic holocaust!! Oh, the horror!!

The horror!

LOL.

[AtomicKitten]

13. I repeat: Animal tranquilizer, blow dart, and a net.

[murielm99]

18. What do you mean by that? n/t

[TBF]

25. We won't even need that... they are coming undone all on their own.

Which is the best way to deal with fools - let them hang themselves.

[AtomicKitten]

45. Her lack of grace in refusing to accept her defeat demeans all Americans, including women.

Her campaign this election cycle sets women's causes back decades. I only hope the stink of it doesn't preclude another, more deserving woman from succeeding in the future.

[murielm99]

Yeah, deny that women are demeaned, humiliated and

treated as less than human, then call for measures that would treat a woman like an escaped animal. How intelligent.

[NashVegas]

43. Thank You For Providing This Perfect Example

Of what these women are talking about.

[ShortnFiery]

53. Truly strong and inspirational WOMEN LEADERS do not EVER claim "Poor Me!"

:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. Judging people on the content of their character?

Hmm.

[sniffa]

76. Oww! Oh why are you doing this to me! Oww! Oh please stop.

[TexasObserver]

57. I like your thinking!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. What's the name of that guy...

who said it was "ethnic cleansing?"

[FredScuttle]

21. "Holocaust"?

I had no idea the Jews in Europe had a 20 point lead on the Nazis and the majority of superdelegates in the late 1930's. :eyes:

[Kool Kitty]

24. Yes indeed.

What an ignorant comparison.

[rockymountaindem]

97. Perfect response n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. Okay, the OP is disturbing. But so are some of the responses here.

It's kinda hard to object to the hyperbole in the article when you're making demeaning and misogynistic comments yourself. Really, it's possible to express disagreement with a woman or group of women without resorting to that kind of crap, guys.

[Texas Hill Country]

that and if looked at in a larger framework of the treatment of women around the world... holocaust

[mrreowwr_kittty]

29. If looked at in the framework of Hillary Clinton's presidential aspirations...NOT a holocaust.

[charlie]

35. Fer Pete's sake

You really want to liken the plight of a smattering of self-absorbed high drama Hillary supporters to Sharia, infibulation, suttee.... and Dachau? Let it go, they're idiots.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. And if you add ice cream, bananas, and a cherry, you've got a banana split, there.

Give me a fucking break. There is nothing remotely resembling a "holocaust" in Hillary Clinton's primary loss, nor his her performance this primary season at all related to the "larger framework of the treatment of women around the world".

[RandomKoolzip]

67. Agreed. Sexism and misgyny are REAL and they must be combatted.

Even by Obama supporters.

[ShortnFiery]

23. Inappropriate is "an understatement" for their craven use of *HOLOCAUST*

OMG! How selfish and ego-centric of HRC and her surrogates. :grr: :nuke:

[BlooInBloo]

27. A number of Jewish groups claim to be against that kind of shitty usage too...

But when republicans do it, they're silent. I'm curious what we'll see here.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/10/08/adl_response/

[Warren DeMontague]

28. I don't think "holocaust" conveys the magnitude. More like "Universe-Destroying Catastrophe"

Truly, sentient beings have never before seen horrors the likes of which have been unfairly visited upon Hillary Clinton's primary run.

[reflection]

65. Is this like a space-time continuum rip or something?

Because recent polls suggest that they are bad.

[demokatgurrl]

30. Oh for God's sake

as a Jewish woman, I find this really offensive. Who's getting killed here?

[Adelante]

31. Well, this is embarrassing

Women turning women into saps, yet again. When I became a feminist it was to reach equal standing as human beings, not for eternal victimhood as women.

[Terran]

32. Once again...

A Hilary supporter points toward the statement of ONE person as justification for threatening to leave the party. Way to go.

[mcctatas]

33. Fuck them!!!!

Unless thousands of innocent people have died, the word holocaust is a despicable scare tactic!!!

[RainDog]

34. PLEASE, Hillary supporters. Stop embarrassing the rest of us women

incredible. really.

[Texas Hill Country]

93. there are a lot more of them than there are of you... so they might not be the embarrassment

just putting that out there

[RainDog]

106. there are a lot more women like me. Obama leads 49 to 46% among female democratic voters

just putting that out there

[cottonseed]

36. Gendercide

:crazy:

[SoonerPride]

52. Zing!

Crazy ain't it?

All that hyperbole over a mismanaged campaign?

They act like Hillary was raped and beaten and had her genitals mutilated, which cheapens the REAL suffering of millions of women around the globe.

Disgusting.

[CakeGrrl]

39. Hysterical hyperbole. And I'm a woman.

And didn't some Hillary supporters say the same thing - "Where else where they go?" - about black voters turning away from the Democratic Party?

Turnabout.

Anyway, this is ridiculous. This is nothing but Hillary abusing the charge of sexism to further...what cause? Does she think this is a way to wrest the nomination from Obama?

If not, the only thing it's doing is to whip up part of her base into a frenzy, and that is nothing but divisive. I'm not sure why they're allowing he to drive this wedge.

[NashVegas]

42. Go On, Just Keep Ignoring Them - At Your Peril

If the men of the, media, the DNC and DCCC could keep their hands out of their pockets for 5 minutes and *listen* to what women are saying, they might realize how they are terribly, terribly screwing up what would otherwise be a cakewalk in November.

[Barrymores Ghost]

47. I'll take that chance...

...rather than dignify such a sub-MORANic and careless and historically ignorant comparison with any serious discussion.

These people are loons. They wanna throw the election to a tired old geezer who wants to stack the SCOTUS with anti-choice judges? Fine. That'll be THEIR legacy, and Hillary's.

They can knock themselves the f*ck out.

[NashVegas]

50. Anti-Choice Judges, You Say?

Where oh where have I heard about that?

[Barrymores Ghost]

55. Then pick any women's or civil rights issue.

Let's talk about Bush's third term, and a continuation of morally and fiscally bankrupt policies. Let's talk about the aiding and abetting of criminal government. Let's talk about enabling the protracted illegal occupation of a sovereign nation and a few hundred thousand more dead and maimed innocents.

You wanna align yourself with these nutjobs? Great. We know where you stand...and it'll be duly noted come Election Day.

[Barrymores Ghost]

62. Hmmmm....silence.

:eyes:

[NashVegas]

68. Some Things Aren't Worth a Reply

[Barrymores Ghost]

78. Right. I thought as much.

:boring:

[bunnies]

48. Its not what "women" are saying.

Its a select group of incorrigible foot-stompers. They DO NOT speak for all women and they sure as hell dont speak for any woman I know. In fact, my mother in law no longer supports Hillary due to this "sexist" shit.

[Barrymores Ghost]

49. SNAP.

:yourock:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

51. How was Hillary treated unfairly by these men?

She lost, and it was through the "conspiracy" of delegates.

[NashVegas]

69. Did You Happen to Catch This?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

[Starbucks Anarchist]

81. I agree that the media has been unfair at times.

But how are the DNC and DCCC sexist, exactly?

[NashVegas]

99. That Was More

A reference to their excitement.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

101. Excitement for what?

[dansolo]

111. The only men who treated Hillary unfairly

Were Penn, Wolfson, and McAuliffe. They turned what should have been a gimme primary into an unmitigated disaster. If her supporters want to blame men for her losing campaign, they should start with those three.

[NorthernSpy]

71. Alrighty, then. YOU tell us what is the proper attitude to take...

... toward people who think that their candidate getting bested in a democratic election is a "holocaust"?


Just how the hell are we supposed to reason with that?

[NashVegas]

100. How About a Little Respect

Would it be so difficult?

[Raineyb]

105. Respect?

Come on the premise is ridiculous, it's fuckery, it's nonsense, it's bullshit, it's beyond laughable. Really! The drama meter on this group of which we speak is off the chart. Such hyperbole is not worthy of respect.

Drop the rhetoric a bit and maybe we can have a convesation as the saying goes.

Holocaust indeed.

:crazy:

Regards

[rucky]

94. We're trying. They won't tell us what they want

only what they don't want. Guys need direction.

we can't help until they're clear about what their demands are.

[bunnies]

46. This is revolting.

They shame me as a woman by acting like this.

[VolcanoJen]

56. Shame on anyone who would invoke the Holocaust to describe a losing political campaign.

Same goes for all the assclowns that invoke "lynching" and "rape" in the same manner.

It's a freaking political campaign. One candidate is losing because she campaigned horribly and her strategists failed her.

The End.

[jenmito]

58. That's BULL! She had EVERY advantage and BLEW it. She isn't a regular "woman,"

she's a former First Lady, married to one of the most popular Dem. presidents ever. She was way ahead in every poll, every state, etc. Even the Black vote at first. She lost this because of the campaign she ran-not because of sexism. The media has given her better coverage than anyone else because she's a Clinton-"You never count out a Clinton." Well, too bad. It's time to count her out and it's her fault.

[dchill]

59. Article is from "The Swamp."

How appropriate.

[casus belli]

60. Unfortunately, they may be ruining Hillary's political career

If they continue to push these types of arguments, they are going to create a situation where they are creating hostility for Hillary simply because they are doing this in her name. If they choose to follow this all the way up to the GE, and it has its desired effect on the election, they could be ensuring that Hillary never holds public office again. I have no doubt there would be a backlash from voters who would be hard pressed to distinguish the words and actions of a few of her more militant supporters from her own agenda.

That would be unfortunate, and ironic. Since holding her liable for the actions of her supporters is exactly what they are doing by pledging to campaign against Obama.

[TBF]

77. Has anyone heard if Hillary has denounced them yet?

If so then I would just dismiss them as whack-jobs. If she is not speaking, and therefore implicitly supporting them, then she deserves a ruined career if these are specious allegations.

As a woman I find it extremely offensive that a group of women would charge sexism without merit. If there is merit to the allegations, then I presume they have filed the appropriate lawsuits against the DNC and media outlets. It they are simply protests in order to generate sympathy for Mrs. Clinton, I am completely disgusted.

[Barrymores Ghost]

83. I'll take Door #2, Monty. n/t

[Barrymores Ghost]

82. If New Yorkers kick her to the curb after her term ends...

...she'll have but to gaze into the mirror (or watch re-runs of her more inane statements or scurrilous anti-Obama ads) to know the reason why.

Maybe she can carpet-bag her way on over to Wess Vahjinny and run fer gub'ner there...

[SoxFan]

61. Godwin's Law

[Catherina]

63. This is deeply offensive. n/t

[reflection]

64. My stupid meter just pegged out.

Holy moley. A "misogynistic holocaust."

This is mind-bendingly ignorant and inflammatory.

[mcctatas]

70. Wait a minute...

who's getting "holocausted" here? It it's a mysogonistic holocaust are they the "victims"? Cause I could almost get on board with that;)

[sniffa]

74. Is this anything like Cannibal Holocaust?

If so, I'd watch it.

[Forkboy]

75. There are no words....

[Barrymores Ghost]

80. How about morally bankrupt? Churlish? Childish? Irretrievably DUMB?

Indefensible? Sub-moran-ic? HUGH-ly fucking counter-productive?

I could go on.

[Forkboy]

84. Even those don't capture the depths these people have officially sunk too.

Anyone even agreeing with shit should be banned on fucking principle. Sick, deranged fucks.

[Barrymores Ghost]

85. I'd hate to suggest this, but maybe you should top-post this...

...juxtaposing a snapshot of Hillary's crocodile tears with these images, and clear up any confusion among these f*cktards as to what a "Holocaust" actually looks like.

[Forkboy]

86. I was just thinking that very thing.

Give me a few minutes and it'll be done.

[Barrymores Ghost]

107. Link? n/t

[Forkboy]

114. here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6045487&mesg_id=6045487

[PaulaFarrell]

79. so where exactly are the mass graves again? n/t

[mmonk]

88. Bad taste to use the word holocaust. Talk about hyperbole.

What is their dishonest purpose at this point?

[EFerrari]

91. Go post a comment. Here is mine:

If there is a rift in the party, it's in part because Bill Clinton has been out telling prospective voters that Obama and his supporters "all have college degrees, all have good jobs, and don't worry about filling up their tank" -- which is not only patently untrue but also pits voter against voter.

The Clintons have made a career of triangulation. While they may benefit from this tactic, the American electorate will not. And while Obama wasn't my first choice, I have three young nieces who are depending on me to defend Roe , something I can't do by voting for John McCain.

Posted by: Elzabeth Ferrari | May 20, 2008 1:29 PM

[spanone]

92. that's a downright silly statement

[Orsino]

103. I have little sympathy for anyone who discovered sexism only when Clinton began her campaign.

Can't help such a person.

[Barrymores Ghost]

108. No, only once she began BUNGLING her campaign like a one-armed juggler on a whiskey binge.

When she was on cruise control and ahead in all polls and raking in corporate cash last fall, you didn't hear a peep from these loons.

[dansolo]

109. Is there a Godwin's Law for campaigns?

[New Dawn]

116. That is pretty f---ing outrageous.

It reminds me of what PETA said several years ago...

[LaurenG]

117. Oh my :sigh:

Poor victim, poor poor thing. :sarcasm:

[anonymous171]

121. Obama should drop the SD bomb. The sooner this is over the better.

[HuffleClaw]

131. as opposed to those who have been constantly crying 'racism!' at any criticism of obama?

who, i might add, got a nice little 'pass' on the wright issue. sure, there was a media storm for a while, but he managed to get away with his DECADES-long association with the guy. if that had been mccain or hillary they'd have been forced to quit for sure. the media, which has been propping him up from the beginning, seems to want an obama nomination and it sure as hell isn't because they think he can win. they will 'deanify' him at some point.