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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 03:55 PM
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Could you imagine if Obama played up racism like Clinton is sexism?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 03:59 PM by Drunken Irishman
Could you imagine Obama sending out Jesse Jackson to talk about how he lost West Virginia and will probably lose Kentucky because he's black? Could you imagine Obama going to an all black college and standing in front of an all black crowd telling them he's going up against the "all white's club of presidential politics"? Could you imagine Obama saying he was breaking down the doors to the Good Ol' White Boys Club? Could you imagine Obama, after losing New Hampshire, telling people the state had no history of electing a black man to state-wide office, so it wasn't a surprise he lost the state? Could you imagine Obama, after the last ABC debate, saying the only reason they were harder on him than Clinton was because of his skin color? All of these scenarios happened, but it all had to do with Clinton and sexism.

Throughout this entire campaign, Hillary Clinton has used her gender as a crutch for sympathy. When she lost Iowa, she said it wasn't a surprise because the state had never elected a woman to state-wide office, she said the same thing prior to Mississippi. When talking in front of her alma mater, Wellesley College, Clinton said she was going up against the all boy's club of presidential politics. She then uttered similar words during the New Hampshire Primary, by suggesting she was breaking down the doors to the Good Ol' Boys Club. When she stumbled in that debate last year, her campaign cried foul, saying the questions were harder on her because she was a woman. It couldn't have been, of course, that she was the frontrunner at the time, no, it was because they were sexist.

Look, sexism does exist and it has played a role in this primary. However, it has also been rallying cry for Hillary Clinton and her supporters. Had Obama said half of what Clinton and her campaign has said in dealing with sexism, but toward his race, he would have lost in a landslide long ago. Why? Because had he done that, had he played the race card, it would have branded him as the black candidate. It would have neutralized him as the Al Sharpton of the 2008 election cycle and that would have been something he couldn't overcome. So Obama has often had to ignore racially charged statements and he's had to play down the blatant racism in this campaign, while Hillary has used sexism as an excuse every time she loses ground.

My point, of course, is that while sexism has had a role, it also has helped her campaign because it's given her a solid base of committed women voters. It didn't hurt that the media never used Hillary's cries of sexism as a real problem for her campaign, even though they constantly told us that Obama could be hurt if he became the black candidate. And what better way to become the black candidate than crying racism every time you lose? But when Hillary did it, she was tellin' it like it was and didn't run the risk of ruining her chances. If anything, it bolstered her at times, but now it's getting ridiculous. Especially if she and her campaign try to make it out like it's Obama who's the sexist.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:00 PM
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1. I agree with almost everything you say, good OP
but I am still trying to find where Sexism worked against Hillary, I know it worked for her and having her surrogates go on TV she is trying to get it to work again, Rile up the women vote as she did in NH, She is good at manufacturing outrage
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:00 PM
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2. You've been under a rock for the past 6 months?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:03 PM
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4. Where is the sexism Seeker? Why can't any of you back up your talking points?
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:48 PM
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16. Learn the difference between racism and sexism before attempting to act intelligent
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:15 PM
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17. Thanks for proving my point again
By ignoring my question.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:42 PM
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18. I could have sworn it was the target.
What exactly is your point? :shrug:
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:00 AM
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26. Please give examples of sexism in this campaign
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:05 PM
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5. I have been under a rock for the past 7 months.
Care to fill me in? What's been going on?
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:02 PM
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3. She's the strongest most electable victim in the world
She's tough as nails and a fighter and a victim and a girl and on and on.

She reminds me of that Berlin song from the 80s.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:05 PM
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6. Single best "punditry" of the campaign, bar none
This has been driving me nuts for quite a long time now. How can nobody see it, or not have the guts to say it. Many Many Thanks.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:11 PM
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7. If Obama did what Hillary has done. The media would've shedded him.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:11 PM
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8. were you here for all the racism threads
during the wv primary. all the post about wv residents being toothless cousin fuckers.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:13 PM
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9. From the Obama campaign? Link one.
What is wrong with people who refuse to see the difference.
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marlo Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:20 PM
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12. Personally, I'd like to know the answer that question...
Edited on Tue May-20-08 04:23 PM by marlo
I can't tell whether or not the people who constantly chose to lay blame at the feet of Barack Obama for the actions of people who are completely unrelated to his campaign are being deliberately obtuse and disingenuous or if they're just fucking stupid.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:14 PM
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10. There is a big difference between the campaign and the campaign's supporters.
I never heard anything about race post-WV from the Obama campaign as to why he lost.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:11 AM
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20. No, no, no. They're toothless SIBLING fuckers. Siblings. Let's try to keep this accurate, OK?
Otherwise, Uncle Daddy Brother is gonna have to whup yor ass.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:17 PM
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11. obama never wanted his campaign to be about race
because if it were then people would compare him to jesse jackson or al sharpton and folks would not want to vote for him. You cant win with race as a central theme. The media has tried to make it that way with reverend wright, ferraro's comments about him being there only because hes black etc etc. but hes done a good job trashing those who want to make it about race.

I think clinton made a mistake in continually playing the gender card.
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:28 PM
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13. reminds me of that cartoon where hillary is crying and wearing a dress that says "im just a girl."..
These points shes raising would be better said 2-3 months from now. Right now she just looks like shes using her gender as an excuse to blame others for her failure to win.
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:41 PM
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14. No. I cannot even imagine it.
Obama has far more class than that.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:44 PM
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15. Ha-ha...........
"Could you imagine if Obama played up racism like Clinton is sexism?"

Good one! Since when has DU turned into a joke forum. HRC has been labeled everyting from an opportunist all he way up to her crowning moment as a "fucking whore", all with the approval, praise, and defense of Obama fans. They believe sexism is a minor offense, to be treated lightly, and with no more importance than a speeding ticket, as compared to the racism they believe lurks in the hearts and minds of any who do not kneel at the alter. That's a little fucked up, but with a past reference as late as 2004 to draw on, it is easily recognizable. I'm voting for the Democrat in November, and if it's Obama, I hope things work out for the best, but it would help if he would stop giving the same speech over and over again. I'd feel a lot better knowing a little about what he intends to do, rather than promising everyone they'll feel good when he does it, whatever it is. Thanks.
quickesst
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:48 AM
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24. not to defend the "f----ing whore" comment, but...
Randi Rhodes is herself a woman. Now I'm sure I'd have been outraged if a white talk-show host had called Obama a n-gg-r. But if a black talk-show host, in a comedy club, had called him that, I'd have to carefully consider the attitude of the person who said it before I got pissed off.

For all that woman have suffered in this patriarchal society, women did not experience slavery as blacks did. So "n-gg-r" could be seen as the more offensive of the two remarks. I agree with you that "f---ing whore" merits more than "a speeding ticket".
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:06 AM
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27. Randi Rhodes has taken up for the Clinton's more than anyone over the last 10 yrs
just goto airamericaplace and pull the archives,she got after the Clinton campaign chose to use GOP tactics
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:33 PM
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36. I used to get mad because Randi was so noncommittal
She really did hold back on who she supported. I couldn't tell. Until the numbers made it clear that Obama would win.
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:11 AM
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19. The key to Barack Obama's success in this campaign
has been that he behaves as if this is not a racist country. Of course it is a racist country, but the beauty of his insight is that he realizes that almost all white people do not want to think of themselves as racist. The best way they can prove that they are not racist is to vote for Obama. And when he wins the presidency it will prove that the country is not racist.

On the other hand, if he complained about racism, all those white people who don't believe they are racist would shut down their thinking and dismiss him as another annoying Al Sharpton. This explains the insidousness of the ludicrous Reverend Wright affair -- even though Obama does not complain about racism, his preacher does!

Gandhi said be the change you want to see in the world. Obama has absorbed that wisdom and he is half way to The White House as of tonight.


We are making history, friends. I love it.


As for Rodham Clinton -- there's no whining in politics. Not by winners, anyway. Don't let the doorknob hit you where the dog shoulda bit you, Senator. Good night and good luck.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:12 AM
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21. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Today's WORST... PERSON... IN THE WOOOORLD!!
Edited on Wed May-21-08 03:15 AM by jgraz
Your post really sounds like a classic KO polemic. Well done. :thumbsup:

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:17 AM
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22. Agree...
Good post, THANKS! :thumbsup:
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:25 AM
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23. Obama has faith in the American people that Hillary lacks
Hillary assumes that she must play the gender card for women to come out for her in droves. Yet Obama is gaining on the women vote nationally while Hillary and some of her supporters like Geraldine Ferraro play up the gender card. Obama has faith that he doesn't need to play the race card to get people to see that he will be a change candidate. That faith is paying off too.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:49 AM
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25. very well said. thanks. n/t
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:40 AM
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28. no need to imagine it. he and his minions have played every card in the racist deck in the last 6 m
6 months. when the koolaid wears off you'll see that.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:57 AM
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29. How about some backing up of Clinton saying it's not sexism?
Edited on Wed May-21-08 05:58 AM by Life Long Dem
When Clinton was winning she said I think they piled on me because I was winning.

Why would there be any sexism if she was losing, after she said they were piling on when she was winning? Winning would give the reason for piling on, wouldn't it?

Hillary on 'piling on' and the gender card

By JOHN DISTASO
Senior Political Reporter
Saturday, Nov. 3, 2007

MANCHESTER – Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said yesterday her male opponents "piled on" during a debate this week in Philadelphia because of her front-runner status, not her gender.

"I don't think they piled on me because I'm a woman," she said in an interview. "I think they piled on me because I was winning."

She said she expects similar incidents will happen "again and again and again" now that the campaign has entered what her campaign calls a "new phase."

Clinton said she will run "as positive a campaign as I can" in the final run-up to the New Hampshire first-in-the-nation presidential primary and the Iowa caucus. After one more policy rollout -- on energy and global warming policy next week -- she will go "retail, retail, retail," she said.
http://www.unionleader.com/pda-article.aspx?articleId=bf5afddf-f065-42da-ad60-fab6a71b4d63
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:05 AM
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30. The Obama campaign DID play up racism. And they were extremely sexist.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 06:06 AM by Perry Logan
That's why millions of Democrats will refuse to vote for Obama and millions more are leaving the party. It's because y'all fucked up, see?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:25 PM
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34. Uh huh, keep telling yourself that.
Clinton has used her gender far more than Obama has used his race.

I've pointed to evidence of Clinton, in her own words, talking about being the FEMALE candidate and how much SEXISM there is in politics. Yet you rarely, if ever, hear Obama out on the campaign trail talking about being the BLACK candidate and how much RACISM there is in politics. Just last night, he could have said he lost Kentucky because 21% of voters said they would not vote for a black man. He did not. His campaign didn't bring race into it, as Clinton brought her gender up when she lost Iowa. Those are the facts, my friend.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:12 AM
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31. True. Only Hilly can get away with obvious race baiting and genital politics.
"I've got one, you've got one, vote for me!"
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:16 AM
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32. KnR
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:22 AM
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33. Race baiting began with BO"THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response

"THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYT








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BogJvgdH6eo
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:28 PM
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35. No need to scream.
I provided quotes from Clinton herself using gender as an issue, yet no one can ever provide them for Obama.

Obama doesn't talk about breaking down the door to the good ol' whites club, or how being black cost him New Hampshire. He didn't say the debate moderators were harder on him because of his race or that he's struggling in Kentucky because 21% of those people will not back a black candidate.

Yet every time Clinton is in trouble, she throws her gender out there. She did it after Iowa, she did it during the debates and she's doing it now.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:35 PM
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37. You claim sexism helped her campaign? And folks rec'ed this?
amazing.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:37 PM
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38. It's amazing you didn't get the point.
I said her crying sexism helped her campaign and it did. While if Obama had done the same thing with his race, it would have sunk his campaign.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:37 PM
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39. He has.
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