Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama because they are racist?

[Hamlette]

It seems the highest percentage of Hillary supporters who won't support Obama are in WV and KY. Seems pretty obviously based on race since the two of them share the same positions on everything.

I know how fashionable it is to say it is all about sexism but is that a smokescreen for the real issue we dare not talk about? Racism?

[writes3000]

1. Don't speak in absolutes please. It negates your point.

ALL Clinton supporters are not racist. Of course not.

Not even in those two states - in my opinion.

And I pray that I'm not wrong.

[Lady-Damai]

2. Not racism just ignorance. n/t

[MyNameGoesHere]

5. Neither

Obama conceded the states and didn't even try. We respect people who treat us with respect. He didn't care about our vote and we returned the insult.

[Hamlette]

15. oh please, he didn't show up in my state and he won here

Does he have to kiss your ring?

He's running on my money and I agree he should not have spent my money in a state where he had no chance to win.

[MyNameGoesHere]

32. I stated what i think happened in WV

your state may vary depending on the populace. I don't want a ring kissed. i wanted him to come and tell me who and what he is, and look him in the eye when he said it. imagine that, someone wanting their candidate to be accessible and concerned. You know someone who you fell confident in representing your country and your welfare. We don't do rock stars, we want the real deal.

[boilerbabe]

45. Well said.

They seem to waste an inordinate amount of time in New Hamster then Iowa, it's like fake allegiance or something. I don't think that you will find any true sincerity in any politician, though. Anarchy would be nice if people could just behave themselves!

[Hamlette]

58. you don't want rock stars but you want him to "appear" before you?

what is with this state identity thing? I'm an American.

And I've given my money to Obama this year.

And I want him to spend it wisely.

He should go where he needs to go to win.

That's why I donated.

Not so he can kiss the ring of a bunch of people who think of themselves as West Virginians first and Americans second.

These arguments don't ring true to me.

I still think it sounds like racism.

[MyNameGoesHere]

67. Well i can see your point and raise you to a level of dumb ass

So there we have it. WV people are racist and you are a dumb ass. BTW what race am I? Oh you don't even know do you? You are an idiot to boot.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

66. You want the real deal?

Explain 2004.

[MyNameGoesHere]

68. Coal. n/t

[boilerbabe]

21. Good point!

But he probably figured that he wasn't going to do well in your area. I prefer Hilary myself, but will vote for Obama if he wins the nomination. I am not unacustomed to backing the losing person. I was a Deanie-Weenie! Don't feel left out--CT is not exactly the swing state either! NO, I didn't vote for Joe Lieberman!

[Lady-Damai]

26. Obama didn't have to woo my state to get my vote.

I believed in Barack Obama on day one.

[MyNameGoesHere]

33. That's good for you.

I once believed in Santa Claus. But then I met him and was sadly disappointed.

[boilerbabe]

38. Why?

Was he like a pervert or something? haha...I hear ya.

[Lady-Damai]

42. It is good for me....

The person that I believed in is close to winning the nomination.

[boilerbabe]

49. 'That's good! Hope might not be a 4 letter word after all? n/t

[michaz]

72. When people say they didn't vote for Obama because he is black,

that is racism! That is what some of the exit polls showed. Racism is ignorance, period.

[MyNameGoesHere]

76. They said race was a factor. You can use your own conclusions on that.

But i wonder why they didn't ask if they would vote for a woman? Because it is ok to be biased against women but never against a African American. So sorry women you are still second class citizens. Now go bake some cookies.

[Radio_Lady]

9. Some people feel Obama is a young, inexperienced, untried candidate.

Bright, hopeful, liberal, but just not ready to be President at this difficult time in our history.

Can you possibly accept that from at least SOME of the Clinton supporters?

[Ron Green]

22. I can accept it from some Clinton supporters, but it's not at all a strong argument.

The fact that he's been able to mobilize such a large number of people under his banner of "new politics" and "getting rid of the game" is a more powerful force than whatever experience might have been gained from working the "old politics."

It's easy to say "untried, inexperienced" but very hard to say "black." At least in polite circles.

[boilerbabe]

27. He's not really all that "black" is he?

I hate to say this,but it is the fawning adulation from some of his supporters that really makes me not receptive to his message.

[BlooInBloo]

50. You tell me - what are *real* "black" people like?

[Exilednight]

52. So you don't make your decision based on what the candidate himself says, you ..........

base it on what other people say.

Do you call yourself informed?

[Radio_Lady]

64. Do I call myself informed? Yes, I do. I've heard the speeches, done a lot of homework,

mailed my ballot, and am waiting for the decision to come.

Here's my official position on this primary season: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

Meanwhile, take a look at a presentation of just one person who is considered quite well informed....







The Ages of Woman

[Raineyb]

65. Yet the fawning adoration of supporters to your candidate is acceptable?

I don't understand the accusation given the obsessive nature of the adoration from people in your camp.

Regards

[cornermouse]

73. It's not about mobilizing people.

It's not about the race. It's not about winning. It's not about voting for someone so that you can do victory laps yelling "I voted for Obama so I could prove I'm not a racist."

It's about actually running the country after the election is over. That's where Obama and his lack of experience gets in trouble. This country is in such deep trouble that I doubt that whoever and which party comes out the winner will get a second term. Four years from now I would have had confidence that Obama had some experience.

[Ron Green]

84. It IS about mobilizing people, or at least getting people to believe in what your vision is.

That's the way you get things done, is to tell people the truth in a way they can accept it and trust you to tell them the truth in the future. It's not the power of one man (or woman) that makes the Presidency, it's the power of the citizens of this nation, building consensus. Reagan had this ability in a negative way, and I think Obama's got it in a positive way.

[cornermouse]

88. It does not do you any good to mobilize people and install

someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Prime example of this: George W. Bush.

[Ron Green]

89. Perhaps "mobilize" is not the term I want to use. What I'm talking about is using the power of

the Presidency to marshall the will of the American people to start doing the right things: Support diplomacy, live sustainably, build community, lead the world by example. I'm convinced Obama, through the powers of his persuasion, can mobilize (there's that word again) citizens of this nation to do better than we have done under Bush, and better than we would do under Hillary Clinton as well.

[cornermouse]

90. You're talking about the bully pulpit.

Clinton used that term a lot but now that people are running around demanding that we all hate, loathe, despise and spit on anyone named Clinton that term would appear to have fallen out of favor. Go figure.

[Lady-Damai]

34. Well, MANY of Obama supporters don't feel that way.

This is the reason why Barack Obama closer to the nomination.

[Radio_Lady]

63. Well, duh!

:sarcasm:

Give me a break!

[Window]

39. I believe some of both.

Sad.

[meow mix]

3. half racists, half clinton-cultists

some are both.

[Auntie Bush]

25. You're projecting.

[boilerbabe]

29. Rhetoric or fallacy?

Supporting argument is...?

[Name removed]

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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Blue_Roses]

10. if you vote McCain over Obama in the GE

then yes, either you are "racist" or you are a republican. It's that simple.

[Tennessee Gal]

12. You are also quite shallow.

[anigbrowl]

19. You already said that.

[boilerbabe]

41. sometimes maybe repetition works well with slow people

[Blue_Roses]

31. well so are you since that's all you seem to be able to say...

:eyes:

And FWIW, you don't know me and have no idea how "deep" I am.

[Seeker30]

56. Shallow is not the word

[boilerbabe]

37. I disagree on that

There are a lot of people that are on the fence that have been mislead by surface impressions that will go with McCain. He has been portrayed as a "middle of the road" kind of candidate, when that is not actually true. Unfortunately, there will be many that will go with McCain, not necessarily out of racism or sexism, but just because he may represent the "status quo" (as in safe, no change,don't rock the boat). Does this make sense?

[Blue_Roses]

40. NO. While I get your point, it makes no sense to vote for a pro-life

candidate over a pro-choice candidate.

[boilerbabe]

43. I would never vote that way.

I was just positing that others that don't have such strong viewpoints might do so. I know better, hunny! I prefer Hilary, but will vote for Obama if he gets the nomination. Not a problem with me. It is very hard to be truly informed in this media-saturated society we are now in. Just because we saw it on the internet or T.V. does not necessarily make it so. I don't have religion, so my best bet is to consult my Ouija board! Or go and look at kitty pictures in the lounge--I'm not that good at making a definitive statement!

XXXOOO
boilerbabe

[ClassWarrior]

78. So Clinton supporters might vote for McCain because they're simply fools?

NGU.

[boilerbabe]

30. Thank you! n/t

[panader0]

6. Agree

Just tried to make this same post but was over my limit. To most of the rural folks in Ken., Obama is a "*igger" no doubt. And an uppity one at that. Don't he know his place?

[Thrill]

7. I think we all know what it is. But lets just say they are all big Bill Clinton fans

that should make us feel better.

[littlebit]

8. Damn you figured us all out

we are all big old racists.

[jefferson_dem]

11. There's no denying that the cold truth of bigotry still lives, even among Democratic voters.

21% of KY voters said "race of candidate was important". Hillary won 81% of these voters.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#KYDEM

The good news is...these are a dying breed. We are about to see the first African-American major party nominee in the history of American elections. That's something to celebrate.

[WA98296]

13. Becuase they're republicans, not progressives.

[boilerbabe]

55. Are you saying that if one doesn't vote for Obama

that one is a Republican? Hahaha. Too funny. I guess I had better go look at kitty pictures, where the content has more validity.
Meow!!!

[Texas Hill Country]

14. yeah, Sexism is FAKE!!!!

dumb.

[boilerbabe]

48. Exactly!

All men should be my slaves. NOW. I don't care what color these men are, I love them all and will treat them like shit equilaterally. Yeehoo!

[wanpete]

16. she clearly made it easier for them to voice that thought when she said that she has the support of

the white working class, white, hard working class people.

[TexasObserver]

17. Hillary has used sexism and racism to garner additional votes.

"Vote for me, I'm a woman like you!"

"Vote for me, I'm WHITE like you!"

[boilerbabe]

51. Vote for me and I'll set you free? n/t

[SoonerPride]

18. Many are racists. Others are Clinton loyalists first.

That's it.

No rational thought behind their blind allegiance.

[boilerbabe]

54. One could say the same for others..

It's called reciprocity. Look in the mirror before you accuse! Besides, I have only sacrified one chicken in the name of Hilary,so I can't be too far gone! (besides, I'm a card-carrying PETA member--shhhh don't tell!)

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. "I want a pure blooded American" said a Hillary supporter in West Virginia

nuff said.

[Swamp Rat]

28. Is that the results of a Southern Strategy put into play?

Makes me go 'hmmm'...

I wish my computer wasn't broke (no Photoshop on the one I am using right now), otherwise I make use of this photo:

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. What happen to your computer?

Don't you have a Mac?




I thought you would like that photo, amazing what High definition does
you might go to gizmo and get a higher resolution.

[Lady-Damai]

53. If she wants a pure blooded American.... go find a Native American. n/t

[boilerbabe]

57. It's unfortunate that one bases one's opinion of a candidate

upon the supporters of such. I am guilty of that, and that is what has totally turned me off from Obama. It's not him, it's his supporters that sometimes make me shy away. The poor guy--he's got shitloads of crazies making no sense following him. Well, I guess it's not his fault. Think about it.

[Life Long Dem]

23. Whatever the reason.

What matters now is unity. True Democrats need to think of the party and help out the presumed nominee for everyone in the party. The Obama bashers need to be run off to the Republican party. There is no need to have any talk of winning the nomination.

[Swamp Rat]

24. HOW DARE YOU !!

:D :hi:

[DemGa]

36. Obama doesn't speak to them - he's not connecting

[wishlist]

81. The ones I know are not open to listening to Obama yet either n/t

[SoCalDem]

44. She gave permission to her 3 core groups..

she told the racists they were "hardworking americans..white americans"
she told the older women, they were picked on, mistreated
she told the uneducated poor folks, it was not their fault..and they should believe her..not economists or scientists

they're voting for Hillary, white woman..patron saint of the undereducated, racist, and wimmin-folk
..and since SHE'S a democrat, it must be OK for them to agree with her, and okay to speak out

She gave them all "permission" to call themselves "mainstream" and to tell CNN stuff like :

Obama should start being less black (this AM on CNN)


and it allows media to continue to ask Obama how he will "win these people over"..

Instead of asking HER why SHE cannot win when the voters are educated and multi-cultural ..

The media seems to think that Obama should attend Klan meetings or backwoods lodge meetings and try to win voters.. I'm sure he's aware that there are just some people who would NEVER vote for him..

Kudos to HIM, for not wasting time & money or endangering his life by trying to woo racists & narrowminded bigots..

[elizm]

46. Many in PA said that....BUT

Obama is now leading McCain in PA in the latest polling...So there ya go.

[BlooInBloo]

47. As long as we're all clear on the Clinton Landslide demographic, the answer is clear....

[Freida5]

59. It is not about race. It is about his associates, sexism, and inexperience.

[Freida5]

60. Besides that he cannot win in the fall.

[wvbygod]

61. A countenance more in sorrow than in anger

"But in the gross and scope of my opinion, This bodes some strange eruption to our state."

"The play, I remember, pleased not the million; ’t was caviare to the general."

[dsomuah]

62. I must disagree

Post like these make me want to use words that would get me banned. And I just joined. Just got done reading the rules less than an hour ago.

It makes me sad to hear my fellow democrats call other members of their party racist and sexist. It makes me feel like maybe it's better if the republicans win in November because if we are this petty, then perhaps we are not ready to be part of the party in power. A sizeable minority of republicans would have preffered if Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney had been their party's nominee. If they can rally around the choice their voters made, why can't we?

Personally I think that people who support Hillary and people who support Obama do so for different reasons, and that's why it's so difficult for each camp to understand the choice of the other side. People who support Hillary like her experience, and like the fact that she's a tenacious fighter. They want someone who will take the fight to the republicans in the fall and will give the republicans bac everything they dish out. They feel more confident of victory in the fall with her at the top of the ticket. They also believe that someone who is going to be president should be able to deal with criticism and pressure.

But the very things that Hillary supporters like about Hillary are the things that make Obama supporters prefer Obama. A lot of Obama supporters are people who are turned off by Hillary the fighter. They are tired of all the fighting of the past 8 years. They are political idealists who still believe that it's possible to run a government without constant political infighting, and that the person most qualified to be president shouldn't be the greatest fighter but rather the person with the greatest vision.

There is no good or bad choice when supporting Hillary or Obama, just different points of view that come from the fact that unlike the republican party, the democratic party is a party of people of different backgrounds coming together with common beliefs.

But I think that this long bitter campaign has made us forget many of the things we have in common. We all think that things like better education, and better healthcare are more important than telling the terr'ists to "Bring it on" We all believe that you shouldn't draw up an environmental policy based on your meetings with automobile industry lobbyists. And almost all of us believe that the money that has been spent to invade Iraq to remove non-existent wmd would have been better spend on programs that would reduce college tuition.

I think it's sad that this primary campaign has highlighted our differences and made us forget all about the things we share. It's time for people to stop criticizing the candidate they don't like. Let the primaries play out, and then support the winner.

[CreekDog]

69. most Hillary supporters are against sexism and racism

let's not let a lot of knuckleheads among what is likely at best a conservative Democrat (but Republican voting) constituency make us think otherwise.

i think had she said, "if you are voting for me because of my opponent's race, i don't want your vote..." i think she'd be 200,000 votes ahead of where she is now.

[shadowknows69]

70. Could just be stupidity

If they'd rather have a Pres that will set back women's rights 50 years.

[VotesForWomen]

71. yep; anybody who doesn't vote for O is a racist. say hello to president mccain.

[bridgit]

74. Nonsense. One is racist if one talks about racism. Didn't you get the memo?

One is a racist for asking Obama any questions...*any* questions. Unless they compliment his cultivated persona. One is a racist for wishing Obama'd have done something other than just skate around the rink for month after month after month playing Mr. Too Cool and pointing his thin, professorial finger at DC, a place he covets most dear. Or come out of his pom-pom university gymnasiums where he routinely promised help with tuition funding...yeah, no surprise' there :eyes:

Race-baiting racism as is found in OP's such as this, are of a more dangerous variety imo. They solve no problems, while answering no questions as to just how Obama will be winning tracts of the American body politic after having made fun, light, sport, discount, and derision between Americans by calling them racist, saying indeed point-blank, "Fuck Them!!".

"You're a racist" is the new, "You're not a patriot", it cheapens racism down to a slogan, it's too g.w. bush imfo, and after eight years and counting of republican's toying with America I am done with it.

When it should be understood instead that racism comes in all colors.

edited for the 'w'

[susankh4]

75. Yada. Yada.

Keep that up. It'll get the Dems a nice loss in November.

[ccharles000]

77. I am not racist.

[ClassWarrior]

79. Do you refuse to support Obama?

NGU.

[ccharles000]

82. I will be glad to vote for Obama in the GE.

[ClassWarrior]

83. That's what I thought. So the OP doesn't refer to you.

NGU.

[riskpeace]

80. What about Obama supporter Michelle Bernard?

She stated on national TV on Monday that if the super delegates did not go with Obama, there would be "race riots in the streets." Now that's what I call playing the "race card."

[SeaLyons]

85. ...

:thumbsup:

[bridgit]

87. She's been slow to start but yeah, social disruption has been alluded for months; she also inferred

that unless critics are familiar with Jay-Z, like her & Rachel, or the hip hop she listens to tooling round in an SUV...you aren't able to understand how cool Obama really is.

[Abacus]

86. 19% of her KY voters admitted that race was a major issue, but

she also does well in that demographic anyway and KY and WV have very little of Obama's demographic. Racism is certainly an issue, but it's not the entire issue.