Does Obama Campaign have a political "tin ear"?

[OHdem10]

This is posted with good intention--not snarky.

3 times this day I hear Kathleen Sebelius name mentioned as VP.

Does no one realize this is a slap in the face to WOMEN VOTERS
who are solidly behind Hillary.

I keep telling you guys American People do not think or act
like Activists.

This sort of thing makes Obama look vindictive and will hurt
Sebelius.

It looks as if He is not satisfied that the Party has decided
to go with him even though he is the weaker candidate--he has
to really "stick it to Hillary."

[K Gardner]

1. You're confusing the Obama Campaign with DU and Media Speculation. Obama's VP

Selection Team is small and has been sworn to secrecy.

But I agree with you, he really can't pick another woman. :hi:

[tokenlib]

2. Is the Obama Campaign responsible for blog posts supporting Sebelius???

Sounds Hillogical to me...

[RazBerryBeret]

17. Like the new word...

hillogical...LOL!

[tokenlib]

41. It was either Stephanie Miller or Randi Rhodes...not mine n/t

[OHdem10]

32. It is being discussed on all Cable News Networks including

Fox.

The public can only deduce that Obama must approve.

[Bensthename]

3. You heard this from Obama surrogates? I dont think so..

these were just regular news peeps... But yes, you are right. He can not choose another woman over Hillary or her groupies would be pissed big time.

[stratomagi]

4. .

:popcorn:

[tabatha]

5. Obama campiagn?

Who mentioned Sibelius?

As far as I know, he is only, now, starting to vet possibilities.

[blonndee]

6. I agree with the probable perception of this choice

among Hillary supporters. No matter how qualified Sebelius may be, or what she might add, it would indeed LOOK and FEEL bad, and it would be very insulting to many Hillary supporters. It would also publicly embarrass Hillary, adding a greater injury.

[earthlover]

44. But....I thought....Hillary was in favor of women being in political offices....

Why would she be upset if a woman was made VP? I don't get it. For quite some time now, anyone who didn't support Hillary was accussed of being mysogynistic. Now, the thought of nominating a woman to VP is to upset? I don't get it! Could it be that the Hillary Herd was not really interested at all, not in the slightest, about women in politics....they were only interested in Hillary in politics? I believe Sibelius and Hillary should both be considered. But I cannot for the life of me see why people would be bent out of shape about even considering Sibelius as VP BECAUSE SHE IS FEMALE!!!!!!!!! Talk about mysogyinist.....

[blonndee]

50. I agree, because this is a cult of personality and irrational.

It is indeed about Hillary and very backward in terms of feminist thinking. I noted my opinions on this below, too. Some of these people are truly sick.

[gcomeau]

7. WHAT is the slap in the face to women voters?

Picking a woman for VP that isn't the one single woman that was running against Obama for the nomination?

Or saying that of the well over one hundred million or so women in this country there is exactly ONE who is sufficiently capable to serve as vice president and if you don't pick her then you have to go select from the dozens of qualified male candidates?

Get back to me on that with something resembling reasoning behind the answer you provide.

[Why Syzygy]

18. I know. That's what I think. I figured they would be pleased with another women on the ticket.

It wouldn't be a "slap in the face". That is so absurd. I think he will do better with a male running mate, but have no qualms about hurting baby Hillary. She says she is TOUGH. Can't be tough unless you have a chance to prove it.

[hokies4ever]

48. Just more proof that some Hillary supporters

are just Hillary supporters, not Democrats.

[Oregone]

8. Maybe the women behind Hillary are behind her still because she is merely a woman,

and they are "low information voters" (haven't been paying attention to this attrocious primary).

Hence, another woman is hardley going to offend those who find gender as their only motivating factor. Well hell, you are identifying a gender demographic and stereotyping them, as well as making sweeping generalizations...such a demographic is probably shallow enough to fall in line after any woman.

[PoliticalAmazon]

9. Nice try at trying to unite Obama supporters behind Sebilius. A bit transparent, though. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Putting Hillary on the ticket would be a slap in the face to many progressives.

Obama, at least, has the promise of paying more attention to the left than the DLClintons ever did.

[Skidmore]

11. Do you understand how insulting

Hillary as VP is to some Obama supporters? I haven't decided yet who I would like to see as VP, but I do know that I find the idea of Hillary in that position nauseating---and I'm a woman, BTW.

[RazBerryBeret]

12. another Ohio Dem here...

First off, Obama isn't the weaker candidate.

America is not responsible for the feelings of Hillary Clinton. America doesn't owe her anything.

when he is nominee, he should pick whoever he feels is the best candidate. To not pick a different woman, if he feels she would be a better running mate WOULD be sexist.
Will all women be afraid to run for President after this? Afraid they will hurt Hillary's feelings or reputation?

I'm not buying it, sister.

[Why Syzygy]

22. I was wondering if they are going to be insulted when he takes the oath of office. That's so mean

to Hillary you know.

[RazBerryBeret]

23. hell, before you know it,

all of us women are gonna have to wear ugly ass pant suits to show solidarity with Clinton...
ugh!

[mmonk]

13. No it's not a slap against women unless Kathleen Sebelius isn't one.

It's a slap to those women who view her as the only woman capable of being Vice President and their sex's only rightful representative on earth.

[union_maid]

14. Now that IS sexism

I don't really think he's going to pick her, but not because she's another woman. If Hillary supporters really would be especially offended by the choice of a woman than a man then they're not the feminists they say they are.

[John Q. Citizen]

15. Sebelius is twice the woman Clinton is.

[yourguide]

16. Are you joking?

So either you are saying the people who want Hillary just want Hillary and it has nothing to do with gender.

Or you're saying, the first female vice president is unimportant.

It's only a slap in the face to women who want hillary and don't care about the seeing the first female vice president.

Get a friggin grip.

[BlooInBloo]

19. While *Clinton supporters* might think there's one and only one woman possible...

I assure you that the rest of Democrats are under no such sexist illusion.

[earthlover]

45. bingo!

There are a lot of women qualified to be president! Hear them roar. They're invincable. And they are not Hillary.

[SoCalDem]

20. Calling her supporters' bluffs..

Are they feminists who want a woman in position to be president, or are they swooning, mesmerized, brainwashed Hillary worshipers?

Sibelius's experience is her OWN, not her husbands.. She earned every bit of her prestige. I prefer Napolitano, but if he wants to have a female running-mate it just cannot be Hillary.. She is Bill's proxy, and NO president wants another president, especially BILL, looking over his shoulder every second, and going out there courting the press to "offer" his own opinions on everything the "new guy" is doing.

and Hillary has been pissing in the pool for too long to be invited back for a swim party.

SO..

if the women are serious about having a woman vice president, they have a chance at having one..just NOT Hillary..

If they refuse, then they were not feminists, but bamboozled Hillary loyalists all along..

[Lilith Velkor]

54. Not all feminists are Hillary supporters

Those who do support her are diehard loyalists.

Feminists who support Obama are loyal to him. Is it that hard to understand?

[Yael]

21. I would call that choice life insurance.

:P

[AllentownJake]

24. This is the dumbest thing I read today

So the only woman in the country who is qualified to be President is Hillary? Bullshit. Kathy Sebiluis has been Govenor of a very Red State for 6 years. She has executive experience and has been able to beat the GOP at their own game in Kansas. Being Govenor of Kansas is just as much of a qualification for being President as being the Senator of NY or the Govenor of Arkansas. You Hillbots have shown your true colors. Your cult of Personality sickens me.

[blonndee]

26. I thought the OP was talking about PERCEPTIONS among female Hillary supporters.

Not necessarily qualifications or logic. I agreed with the OP on the likely perceptions among these people. Do you think that is off target?

[AllentownJake]

33. They spent

the past 16 months trying to get a woman in the whitehouse and Obama might give another qualified succesful woman the stepping stone to that office and they are angry? I don't get it.

[blonndee]

37. Because for them it's all about HILLARY, That is the real

cult of personality. I know it doesn't really make sense, but I think I can understand their "thinking" to some degree. It's almost like they think that if Obama nominated another woman, it would ONLY be because it would insult Hillary, not because that woman might be the best person for the job. It's quite backwards in terms of feminist thinking, from my view, at least. It's quite along the lines of "W: Still the President," from my perspective.

[Lilith Velkor]

53. The insult is the assumption that feminists are "voting vagina"

Feminists tend to believe that women are individuals, thus feminists who support Hillary Clinton support her as an individual.

Just like the feminists who support Obama support him as an individual. Is it really that hard to understand?

[hokies4ever]

49. Preach it Jake!

That's what I'm talking about! :patriot:

[lojasmo]

25. So, if not your woman than no woman?

That is fucking stupid.

[myrna minx]

27. So only one woman at a time is allowed to run for the highest offices in this country?

It is the nominee's prerogative to select whomever they desire to run with them on the ticket. In addition, just because some bloggers and message board enthusiasts have ruminated about Sebelius as VP, does not mean that she is on the top of Obama's short list. She may be or she may not be, we don't know.

You may *believe* he's the "weaker" candidate, but Gallup's most recent poll has him 11 points over Hillary.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107467/Gallup-Daily-Obama-53-Clinton-42.aspx

He has won the most pledged delegates, the measure of how our nominee is selected, a never ending donor well, and has brought groundswell of new voters into the political process. Why do you believe that Hillary is *entitled to the VP position?

[GoesTo11]

28. No tin ear. Just not willing to be do or say anything.

And if Hillary can't be VP, she's a sore loser if she opposes any other woman as VP.

What she doesn't understand is that the choice of VP is about winning the election for the good of the country, not as a consolation prize so that the runner-up doesn't feel bad. I don't care how she feels. Take prozac. Have a drink.

If she was really about winning the election, she would try to become VP by showing what a good colleague she is, how good she is at attacking McCain, how well she articulates the values of the party. But nooooooo.

[sniffa]

29. Will they cancel bingo on election day?

If not, who cares?

[OHdem10]

30. If Sebelius is being touted on all Cable News Networks

the public can only deduce that it came from the Obama Campaign.

[blonndee]

31. Okay, now I see that you were being disingenuous and deceptive.

This post of yours couldn't make it clearer. I'm sorry that I responded to you in an honest and thoughtful way, not knowing your agenda and how you were trying to manipulate people.

[polichick]

34. imo Hillary and her supporters have been coddled enough...

It's the party and the country that count ~ not this one woman's massive ego.

[Willo]

35. Sebelius as VP would only

be a slap in the face to a select few. The same few who will cry sexism if he choses a man.

[Window]

36. Sen. Obama has settled on a running mate??? Didn't thnk so.

[Beregond2]

38. In what possible way would this relate

to Hillary? She removed herself from contention long ago. Besides, the Obama campaign hasn't done anything to promote Sebelius.

[undeterred]

39. Hillary is just a GIGANTIC EGO-EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD IS ABOUT HER...

NOT!!!!

[Spider Jerusalem]

40. That's just stupid.

[slinkerwink]

42. it's what is being floated about on the BLOGS

[yellowcanine]

43. Did Obama's campaign mention it? If not, why the question.?

[Cha]

46. Yeah, Obama campaign has a freakin'

"tin ear" that's why Obama won and hilary's whining all over her cheeze whiz.

[hokies4ever]

47. So only 1 woman candidate for V.P. per term? How sexist!

You even go as far as to say that Kathleen Sebelius is only considered because she's a woman, yet you will cry 'sexism' if the same is said about Hillary. Shame on you! Sebelius has long been a leading candidate for the V.P. spot. Weren't you paying attention when she gave the national Democratic response to George Bush's State of the Union address? She's been one of the nation's most popular governors for a while too. Her main message is reaching across the aisle for a new kind of politics to get work done for the American people, which completely meshes with Obama's message as well.

Shame on you!

[Gore1FL]

51. Sebilius is more qualified than Hillary to be president

It isn't slap in the face to anyone, it is putting a highly qualified candidate who has pull in the midwest (including CO, MO, and NE) into a position she is perfect for.

How is that a slap to women voters?

[FatDave]

52. Jesus Harold Christ!

Hillary supporters will be outraged with any non-Clinton selection, male or female. It's lose/lose with the lot of you.

[Blondiegrrl]

55. WORD.

I still want Jim Webb. :headbang:

[unblock]

56. saying that sebelius can't be veep because she's female is sickening sexism.

and there's no such thing as a slap in the face of others who ran for the nomination.
the veep selection is totally the choice of the nominee, and that person doesn't owe a single thing to competitors.
if the nominee DOES choose a competitor, it's purely for strategic reasons, not out of any debt.

it's absolutely nuts to think that a nominee would choose a running mate simply to "stick it" to a competitor. the veep choice is FORWARD-LOOKING and all about the GENERAL ELECTION, not BACKWARD-LOOKING about a primary season that's OOVVEERR!!