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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:00 PM
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There is no such verb as 'coronated' A monarch is 'crowned', the event is a 'coronation'.
Please update your grammatical filters. That is all.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:01 PM
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1. You just couldn't be bothered to take 5 seconds to look it up, could you? Epic Fail.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:11 PM
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4. I hate to be the one to point this out, but...
Edited on Thu May-22-08 10:13 PM by anigbrowl
As an adjective, it's only used by ornithologists. As a verb, it has long been deprecated, though it seems to be making a comeback this spring. I suspect the confusion stems from Americans not having had a monarchy for so long.

Main Entry:
cor·o·nate Listen to the pronunciation of coronate
Pronunciation:
\ˈkȯr-ə-ˌnāt, ˈkär-\
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
cor·o·nat·ed; cor·o·nat·ing
Etymology:
Latin coronatus, past participle of coronare to crown, from corona
Date:
circa 1623


CORONATED
Adjective

1. Having a crest or a crownlike appendage.
2. Girt about the spire with a row of tubercles or spines; -- said of spiral shells.
3. Having the coronal feathers lengthened or otherwise distinguished; -- said of birds.
4. Having or wearing a crown.

Edited to add: try it out on a British person, if you know any. Not responsible for loss of ego or bodily injury.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:15 PM
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6. Oy. You said it doesn't exist as a verb. It does. You should quit while you're behind.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:04 AM
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32. I'd have got fired if I used it when I worked for a newspaper. That was in the UK though.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:20 AM
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38. I think that is the difference here
But I'll be the first to admit that America did a serious butcher job on the English language.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:41 AM
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42. And that's talking stylistic guidelines, not 'validity' of the word.
You'd have been fired also if you wrote "fan-fucking-tastic," but nobody is going to claim that 'fucking' is not a real infix.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:02 PM
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46. It's in my Shorter Oxford Dictionary...
Edited on Fri May-23-08 03:03 PM by Puzzler
... and it was published over 75 years ago. Also, it's an "English" English dictionary, not American.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:03 PM
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2. WRONG.
nice try though.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:03 PM
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3. Thank you for your commentating.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:14 PM
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5. "Coronated?!" I am horrified to see that this abominable word
Edited on Thu May-22-08 10:15 PM by Beregond2
has apparently entered the dictionaries, so those who corrected you are technically correct. Out of curiosity, I looked to see if they also say "orientate" is acceptable, and they do. Good God. Being the glutton for punishment I am, I then went on to see if the misuse of "begging the question" to mean "raising the question" is also now accepted use, and, horror of horrors, it is.

Why did I bother getting a degree in English, when all one has to do is use a made-up word, or misuse a phrase long enough, and it becomes acceptable?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:23 PM
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8. Um, "made-up"? From like the mid 1800s. And as direct a cognate from Latin as one could expect.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:28 AM
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26. Well, the 1800s were a pretty heady time for making shit up. People were rummaging through
Greek and Latin and throwing down nonce words and neologisms like quarters at an arcade.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:41 PM
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16. Truthiness made it..as did humongous..
:puke:

I cringe everytime a CNN or MSNBC person says "coronate"..

Apparently if enough people SAY something enough times, the new reaction is to make it okay..

A king was CROWNED and we celebrated his CORONATION..He was NOT coronated

but apparently these days, they are coronated whodathunkit?

I guess if I BORONATE some ground beef, the resulting meal becomes a a pretty special burger:) A Burger King, in fact :)
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:51 PM
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17. EXCUSE ME! Languages aren't carvated in stone until 'Mors vincet omnia'.
Edited on Thu May-22-08 11:56 PM by papapi
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:11 AM
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21. You never learned that English is a "living language" with that degree?
Nobody ever told you that dictionaries FOLLOW usage and not vice versa? And they still gave you a degree?

Wow! :wow: Correspondence school?

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:22 AM
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24. "Orientate" is a perfectly good word, and a useful one to boot.
To "orient" someone is to familiarize them with a situation. An "orientation" is a seminar designed to orient. To "orientate" someone is to have them undergo an orientation--a subtle but very real difference.

Oh, and that said, if all you got out of your degree was the ability to deride linguistic innovation, then you wasted your money.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:44 PM
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43. People...I was being tongue-in-cheek.
I don't really care all that much. But I would argue that even if a word is in the dictionary, you can still sound pretty foolish using it.

To use "orientate" as an example, the original verb was "orient," and it derives from the fact that the orient is in the east, and people got their bearings by the rising sun in the east. The act of doing this is "orientation." Somehow, people began shortening "orientation" to "orientate," instead of using the shorter and more correct term "orient." Eventually, this became acceptable. But to many ears, it still sounds awkward. I mostly hear it from people in the business world, who generally have tin ears when it comes to language. They have given us such bizarre phrasings as "let's DO lunch," and "TAKE a meeting;" although the latter image of swallowing a particularly nasty medication is usually all too apt.

I realize that there are few people more annoying than language-narcs, so I'll shut up now.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:08 PM
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47. Yes...
... it entered my Shorter Oxford over 75 years ago (see my other post). It's also in my Random House 2nd Edition (that was published over 25 years ago). So the word cannot by any stretch be considered a new word that has "just entered the dictionaries".
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:22 PM
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7. Screw that- this is English. If you can get others to believe the word is real, it absolutely IS.
  In every respect. And then when enough people use it, it winds up in the dictionaries.

  It's bitchin'.

PB
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:34 PM
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14. You're right...
all languages are like that really whether or not particular dictionary/grammatical societies say this word or that expression is correct or not.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:32 AM
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28. Then we're screwn.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:25 AM
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41. Fer shizzle, my duizzle.
For years I fought a long, uphill battle against the barbaric practitioners of that vilest of verbs "orientated."

I lost. But I am at peace with having fought for my beliefs. You could almost say I've become reorientated.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:32 PM
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9. I'll consider myself correctated
Irregardless of the fact that I have perfect grammatical.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:46 PM
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10. Can we talk about Hillary and Obama again?
Less Vitriol that way. :P

Mental image of montrously twisted English abuser shambling down the street of the village followed by an angry mob of English teachers wielding pitchforks, dictionaries and diagrammed sentences...
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:16 AM
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36. No. I'm halting the political discourse until this is sorted out.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 02:16 AM by anigbrowl
America's international credibility depends on it. Obama can't govern successfully if foreign anglophones are biting their lip during diplomatic meetings over this linguistic santorum.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:22 AM
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39. Don't we have English to 'American' translators yet?
Hell I need to use captions watching Red Dwarf and Ab Fab half the time.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:50 PM
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11. "Well I disagree'!!!







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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:28 PM
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12. Doesn't matter anyway. Hillary's coronation was canceled.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:14 AM
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22. Someone should let the princess know. Maybe with a pea under her 12th mattress?
:evilgrin:
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:32 PM
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13. If enough people use a word and they understand each other...
it's a word whether it's in a dictionary or not.

And "to coronate" is in dictionaries anyway.

I'm tired of prescriptive grammarians.
Language is what people use, not what a particular dictionary or grammar book says it should be.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:35 PM
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15. And it's old. And it's straight from latin. Sheesh.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:57 PM
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18. I tend to agree with George Orwell here;
Bad writers, and especially scientific, political and sociological writers, are nearly always haunted by the notion that Latin or Greek words are grander than Saxon ones, and unnecessary words like EXPEDITE, AMELIORATE, PREDICT, EXTRANEOUS, DERACINATED, CLANDESTINE, SUB-AQUEOUS and hundreds of others constantly gain ground from their Anglo-Saxon opposite numbers.

(snip)

(i) Never use a metaphor, simile or other figure of speech which you are
used to seeing in print.

(ii) Never use a long word where a short one will do.

(iii) If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.

(iv) Never use the passive where you can use the active.

(v) Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word or a jargon word if you
can think of an everyday English equivalent.


(vi) Break any of these rules sooner than say anything barbarous.

(From Politics and the English Language)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:08 AM
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20. (shrug) Whether or not it's a good *stylistic* choice is quite beside the point...
And in any case, excising greek- and latin-derived words would be just plain stupid.

Surely human beings could dispense with language, but only at the cost of having nothing to say - as some bright person quipped.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:10 AM
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34. Don't make me go all Chaucer on you.
Some words should be banished to the poetic domain, never to return.

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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:11 AM
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30. Hear hear. Descriptive is where the linguists are.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:11 AM
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35. I thought that was why we adopted 'crowned'....
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:03 AM
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19. You are correct (except for that thing about birds someone dug up.)
I just hope your OP is "impactful" "going forward." :puke:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:18 AM
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23. Sure there is. You're talking about it right now, aren't you?
Fucking useless prescriptivists.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:27 AM
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25. IBTL
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:31 AM
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27. You're right. It's not standard English but an archaic usage
and people who use it sound like they've just awoken from an Arthurian legend. :)
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:08 AM
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29. OED (underscoring in place of IPA)
coronated (___________), ppl. a.

† 1. Of flowers: Arranged in a whorl: cf. corone.
1676 Grew Anat. Plants iv. ii. App. (1682) 175 Sometimes, they are placed round about the Branch, that is, Coronated, as in Pulegium.
2. Bot. and Zool. Furnished with a corona, or something resembling a crown; spec. in Conchol. applied to spiral shells which have their whorls surmounted by a row of spines or tubercles.
1698 J. Petiver in Phil. Trans. XX. 320 A small Coronated Fruit.
1703 G. J. Camel ibid. XXIII. 1427 A small dry berry coronated somewhat like a clove.
1854 Woodward Mollusca (1856) 113 Shell ventricose, coronated.
Ibid. 145 Whirls angular or coronated.
† 3. = coroneted. Obs.
1767 Babler II. 110 All the insolence of coronated pride.
4. Made crown-like. (nonce-use.)
1864 Lowell Fireside Trav. 143 He was..a true _________, and the ragged edges of his old hat seemed to become coronated as I looked at him.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:02 AM
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31. I'm no expert... I just usually go with the dictionary, which it is an inflected form
Edited on Fri May-23-08 02:02 AM by Political Heretic
coronated
One entry found.

coronate


Main Entry:
cor·o·nate Listen to the pronunciation of coronate
Pronunciation:
\ˈkȯr-ə-ˌnāt, ˈkär-\
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
cor·o·nat·ed; cor·o·nat·ing
Etymology:
Latin coronatus, past participle of coronare to crown, from corona
Date:
circa 1623
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:09 AM
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33. I'll never forget the time I got coronated in Vegas.
The bar had long since run out of limes, but I was on a roll.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:44 AM
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37. It seems coronated has been reenculturated to the language.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:19 AM
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40. To "coronate" is defined as "to crown". To "orientate" is defined as "to orient."
One who "comments" is a "commentator", but he doesn't "commentate".

In other words, why "utilize" a longer neologism that adds nothing, when to use the shorter version is to be accurate?



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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:46 PM
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44. Who died and coronated you king?
FTW!!!

:P
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:58 PM
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45.  . . .
:spank:

:rofl:
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