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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:13 AM
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Joe Biden on MSNBC now schooling Pat Buchanan on Iran.
The man's got a great mind when it comes to foreign policy. I am so happy he's out surrogating. His comment to McCain's slam of Obama's lack of military service:

"John's been my friend for 35 years and I'm dissapointed. There's a difference between an ad hominen argument and a logical response. It's not right, it's not fair and it's beneath us. His whole campaign seems to be drifting towards a place I'm not comfortable with when it comes to dealing with Barack."
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:15 AM
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1. He's teaching him his ABCs..man I really like Joe Biden!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:16 AM
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2. He also said Democrats shouldn't shrink from the FP debate -
Edited on Fri May-23-08 07:17 AM by sparosnare
we need to take it head on. :hi:
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:17 AM
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3. He did a great job.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:18 AM
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4. I still think he could be a great VP choice, he just did a GREAT job
Edited on Fri May-23-08 07:18 AM by NotThisTime
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:52 AM
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16. If he wasn't a Senator I'd agree
I don't think we gain anything with two Senators on the ticket.

But yeah, Biden is awesome.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:18 AM
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5. Someone's practicing for Secretary of State...
And then he has to slip and call Ahmadinejad a "wacko". Why Joe, why? Everytime I start to get comfortable with him as SoS...gah! Oh well, at least he's catching himself faster. And man, does he know his shit!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:23 AM
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9. If the foo shits?
:silly: I know what you mean, but that's part of Biden's appeal imo. He's a straight talker, as much as it seemed to pain him when chastising McCain.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:02 AM
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18. I certainly agree with him, but I'm a bit of a nit-picker when it comes to FP.
I think of all the work scrubs put into carefully crafting these delicate little agreements and feel bad when someone slips up and destroys them with a single word.

It's kinda like how I feel when I accidentally kick over an ant mound.

;)
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:53 AM
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17. but I'maDinnerJAcket IS a wacko
Fortunately, there is no need to take him into consideration when negotiating with Iran because the wacko has nothing to do with foreign policy.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:20 AM
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6. With Biden I find even the usual platitudes heartfelt & sincere.
I get the impression that those bumper stickers that read "Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Republican" are marketed toward Joe Biden. McCain isn't "drifting towards an uncomfortable place," he's simply running as a Republican. Attacking the character and integrity of fellow Americans for thinking critically on foreign policy is, in large part, the core substance of today's conservativism.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:21 AM
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7. Joe schooling Pat should be child's play for Joe.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:23 AM
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8. Biden wrote a great response to Joe Lieberman in today's WSJ. A must read .Excerpt below.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 07:29 AM by flpoljunkie
The election in November is a vital opportunity for America to start anew. That will require more than a great soldier. It will require a wise leader.

Here, the controversy over engaging Iran is especially instructive.

Last week, John McCain was very clear. He ruled out talking to Iran. He said that Barack Obama was "naïve and inexperienced" for advocating engagement; "What is it he wants to talk about?" he asked.

Well, for a start, Iran's nuclear program, its support for Shiite militias in Iraq, and its patronage of Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.

Beyond bluster, how would Mr. McCain actually deal with these dangers? You either talk, you maintain the status quo, or you go to war. If Mr. McCain has ruled out talking, we're stuck with an ineffectual policy or military strikes that could quickly spiral out of control.

Sen. Obama is right that the U.S. should be willing to engage Iran on its nuclear program without "preconditions" – i.e. without insisting that Iran first freeze the program, which is the very subject of any negotiations. He has been clear that he would not become personally involved until the necessary preparations had been made and unless he was convinced his engagement would advance our interests.

President Nixon didn't demand that China end military support to the Vietnamese killing Americans before meeting with Mao. President Reagan didn't insist that the Soviets freeze their nuclear arsenal before sitting down with Mikhail Gorbachev. Even George W. Bush – whose initial disengagement allowed dangers to proliferate – didn't demand that Libya relinquish its nuclear program, that North Korea give up its plutonium, or even that Iran stop aiding those attacking our soldiers in Iraq before authorizing talks.

The net effect of demanding preconditions that Iran rejects is this: We get no results and Iran gets closer to the bomb.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121150000249615875.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:31 AM
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12. Thanks - great stuff.
:hi:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:43 AM
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13. Thank you!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:42 AM
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19. Damn he's good!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:25 AM
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10. I'm still pissed Biden has to go on the shows to debunk the crap Lieberman is spewing
Edited on Fri May-23-08 07:26 AM by GloriaSmith
I expect to have to smack down Buchanan, but I'm still not use to Lieberman resorting to such tactics.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:30 AM
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11. Pissed, but pleased Joe does such a great job smacking Lieberman's bullsh*t down.
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Joyce78 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:50 AM
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14. Senator Biden was and still is my first choice.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:44 AM
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20. Mine too.
Leave it to Biden to bring Steelers and Browns fans together.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:45 AM
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21. Yep.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:51 AM
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15. Joe Biden is my pick for one of two spots
Secretary of State would be my first choice.

Secretary of the Defense would be my second choice.
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:07 AM
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22. He was outstanding
a much watch for people who think Dems can't win on foreign policy.
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