What are Obama supporters trying to do by attacking Clinton?

[Onlooker]

I just don't get it. Whether Clinton cooperates or not, Obama is going to need every vote he can get. Certainly Kerry and Gore proved that. So, why are many Obama supporters attacking Clinton with such venom? What do they hope to accomplish? You surely don't expect her to look at your criticisms as objective, do you? Do you think Clinton takes her detractors seriously? She, like any politician, writes them off. She won't win their votes and never had much of a chance with them anyhow, so she goes after the votes she can win. Meanwhile, the more she is attacked, the more she can raise unfairness and sexism, and the more legitimate those points seem in the eyes of her supporters. I think the surest way to cost Obama votes in the GE is to continue to attack Clinton. She needs to be humored or ignored, which is what Obama seems to be doing. I think it's best to follow his lead, unless you seriously think she has a chance of wresting the nomination out from under him.

[dkf]

1. I don't want her as VP. I figure its speak now or forever have to hold our peace.

[Marrah_G]

12. But there are ways to relay that without the venom we see alot of here.

You can say you don't want her as VP, give reasons why and not have to turn her into a blood-sucking demon. That type of behavior does not help us. Know what I mean?

[H2O Man]

23. Good point.

I think that emotions are still running high on this forum. There are people who want to see Clinton on the ticket, including supporters from each camp. And there are Obama supporters who feel very strongly that she should not be on the ticket.

It might be worth our considering the benefits of focusing on the reasons we believe one way or the other, rather than relying on the expression of emotions that inflame others. Civil discussion offers many advantages for all here.

It appears that Obama is leaning more towards picking a VP with military experience.

[Marrah_G]

34. He will probably pick a Webb or Biden type

I can see the pros and cons of having Hillary on the ticket. How ever this plays out the Nominee will get my vote.

[H2O Man]

36. I think that

there is a very good chance he will pick one of two retired generals. But, whoever he picks, I trust his judgement.

[Occam Bandage]

2. Truth: Attacking her on DU will not get her to drop out.

Lie: Attacking her on DU has any influence whatsoever on what she says or does, or on whether her supporters believe what she says.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. Lie: DU effects anything but knowledge gathering and commiserating.

And perhaps a helpful dash of activism.

[NJmaverick]

3. She has been behaving like george bush and she is being attacked like he is

no stategy involved, no tactics. It's all about a horrible woman that has attack the core of the Democratic party and many of the people at DU, and they are responding to her attacks and her bad actions.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

4. Electronic mob mentality.

A symptom of anonymous posting and groupthink combined.

[stillrockin]

5. She is poisonous, dishonest and untrustworthy.

Humoring her or ignoring her is not the answer. Obama needs to make clear to those who still support her that she is in this for her own personal agenda.

[Marrah_G]

9. Your post is a perfect example of what the OP is talking about.

[mrbluto]

13. I'm right there with you. Impeach!

I posted about this just today!

There are some votes that aren't worth the taint on them.

and

She should be investigated!

[DemVet]

6. Obviously, they want to alienate half of the Democratic Party.

Not everyone is a cheerleader and drinking the Kool-Aid like them, however.

[KSinTX]

37. I react to a candidate's strategy & methods

You, on the other hand, have reacted to the supporters. For me, therein lies the difference.

[JVS]

7. Vent their anger and annoy the hillbots

[Marrah_G]

8. I think it comes from just being so blinded by the primary that they can't see straight anymore

It's been a long fight and over time people's emotions have snowballed out of control.

I do know I would never attack Obama in the manner I see Hillary attacked here.

I REFUSE to allow this primary to turn me into a freeperlike asshole.

We have two okay candidate. I think out of the two Hillary would be the best president. That doesn't mean I have to hate Obama.

People are confused about what it means to support a candidate.

[mrbluto]

20. If you're not hating - then you're not trying.

Obviously you lack commitment. (well, besides to what's rational and to being civil)

[Marrah_G]

I am totally anti-commitment.

I tried to hate but then it was to hard so I just gave up and went to pick daisies and frolick in the meadow.

[indimuse]

10. They need us. Too late! Too much damage. No Votes. NoBama. EVER!

The Obamas and Obamatrons have made irrepairal fatal error during this primary,They insulted, disrespected, threatened, and disregarded the Clintonites.

They played the race card continually, they blamed the Clintons,
They tried to make a fool out of Bill Clinton. NOW, They need us. Too late! Too much damage. No Votes. NoBama. EVER!




Vote for A LEADER...VOTE Hillary!

[Marrah_G]

16. I think you are sily if that means you won't vote for him if he gets the Nomination

4 years of McCain? 4 more years of hell? Possible Supreme court nominations?

Cutting off your nose to spite your face never really works out.

No thanks.

[Occam Bandage]

17. So, I take it you've had enough of Roe v. Wade? Prefer to let John McCain end that?

Why do you hate women?

[mrbluto]

21. Good Riddance - who needs your 48% anyway?

Get over yourself and the 48% of other voters who agree with you.

You can be eventually replaced given a few decades.

[iconicgnom]

38. woe is you.

woe, woe, woe.

Ole Obama, he done rode you down.
Ole Obama, he done th'owed you down.
He done moed you, and hoed you
and a la mode he toed you
Ole Obama, he sho did slow you down.

He roped you, he doped you,
he peeled you from your poke.
He soaked you, he choked you,
he left you bare and broke.
Ole Obama, he sho injoys a joke.

He took your oats, he grubbed your groats,
he pinched himself your pap,
he shucked you shirt, he done you dirt,
he fanned you with a slap.
Ole Obama, he's sho a chiselin chap.

His pollatix is fulla trix -
he's a hombre hard and tough.
He herds us hix with bats an' brix
He's never got enough.
Ole Obama
He sho does do his stuff


(props to George Herriman, Krazy Kat - Aug 8, 1936 - a doleful dogie lilting a lachrymose lament)

[MonkeyFunk]

11. They have a very skewed view of things

they think Clinton is widely hated by the party, and that Obama supporters constitute 99% of Democrats.

They think everybody thinks like they do, the facts be damned. It's stupid, it's counterproductive, it's extremely ignorant.

[ProSense]

14. Maybe they don't approve of Hillary comparing the Democratic primary to Zimbabwe elections. n/t

[dbmk]

26. Which is simply stunning

.. given that she wants to count elections where people were told it was for 0 delegates and no campaigning was allowed - and where in one instance several of the contestants were not on the ballot.

Now which part reminds you of Zimbabwe? Following the rules and punishing offenders or the above?

[high density]

18. Well Obama has the facts on his side

Clinton is manufacturing facts and metrics. It's like a continuation of Bush, and it's not surprising that many people are not "humoring" her in this crusade.

[mrbluto]

25. Yes! Quit humoring her!

Her candidacy was a joke!

She's only swayed as much as 48% of the votes in the primary.

That's the mark of someone we can safely ignore.

[Mooney]

19. Venting.

HRC's conduct has been totally infuriating, so to me, it's all about venting.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. Well...

So, why are many Obama supporters attacking Clinton with such venom?

Because they really, really don't like her. Or they enjoy irritating her supporters on this forum. Usually both.

What do they hope to accomplish?

One would assume that they enjoy arguing in the interweb as its own reward.

You surely don't expect her to look at your criticisms as objective, do you?

If anybody here thinks that Hillary Clinton cares what's said on DU, they're delusional.

Meanwhile, the more she is attacked, the more she can raise unfairness and sexism, and the more legitimate those points seem in the eyes of her supporters.

If Hillary Clinton's campaign starts pointing to DU posts in order to make a point about anything then our entire political process will have been thrown under a bus that is in the process of jumping over a shark.

It's just GDP bullshit. It means almost nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[Forkboy]

24. As long as some of her supporters are still in attack mode here I can't really blame them.

:shrug:

[Enrique]

27. they get off on it

They'll be bummed when it's over.

[QC]

30. Yes, they are rageaholics. They love the drama, the adrenaline,

the joy of (self-)righteous indignation.

[redqueen]

28. Vent? Keep their heads from exploding?

How can anyone watch the day-to-day BS coming from her campaign and not need a place to blow off steam about it?

[JPZenger]

29. We need to tone down the rhetoric to unite the party

There are many pros and cons to having Hillary as VP, which we can discuss rationally. However, I am upset by some of the divisive rhetoric being used today to attack Hillary. We need her supporters in order to win in November - please show some respect to them.

[mrbluto]

33. You want unity? Then let's have a purge!

Let's evict this taint that stands in Obama's way!

Purge the party of people who are insufficiently enthusiastic about Obama!

[QC]

35. First the show trial, then the purge.

[mrbluto]

39. That's the spirit!

Now we just need to figure out what'll be on the flatbeds between the goose-stepping guys marching past the reviewing podium.

Oh, and a cadre of photoshop experts to add/remove individuals from the pictures.

[BlueJac]

31. People just want it over.....

I suppose the Hillary supports would like Obama saying all the shit about Florida and Michigan. I guess some people just quit liking rules ever since George Bush became president. If people sign and agree to something they should keep that promise. Enough said.

[LeFleur1]

46. RULES

RULES? The PARTY made the rules. The rules for primaries should be up to the states and if there was an iota of sense there would be a law made that all primaries in all states would be scheduled on the same day.
What kind of a party does not allow the votes of the people to be counted?
What kind of people advance the idea that votes should not be counted? Oh, Republicans do. That's right.
The party screwed up. It made asinine rules and then compounded that with asinine actions. Of course the delegates should be seated. I'm not sure what % should be allotted to each, or maybe the best and most fair thing would be for the delegates to just go and vote their conscience at the convention according to what they believe the voters in their States want.
That's the most fair thing to do.

[shadowknows69]

32. Cicada account alert. IgSnore

[cornermouse]

40. kick

[stillcool]

41. When she trashes and insults the Democratic Party...

by comparing a Democratic Primary played by the rules, to a Zimbabwe farce of an election, she needs to be seriously attacked. She has moved on from attacking Obama, to attacking the Democratic Party.

[NC_Nurse]

42. Some of the stuff she has said this week about the FL and MI votes is just

ridiculous. Do you expect us to just sit and take it? I mean, the whole Zimbabwe comparison?
What a crock!

[highplainsdem]

43. You're right: "...the surest way to cost Obama votes in the GE is to continue to attack Clinton."

[Arugula Latte]

44. I want her to get the hell out of the race and stop destroying the party.

We need to focus our energies on defeating McCain but we can't do that with the defeated crazy lady hanging around having a screaming fit.

[mrbluto]

47. Yes! That's the spirit!

Now say something about all the fools who voted for her!



(feel the strength of the darkside Anakin!)

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45. I don't know what they're trying to do, but I know what they have done.

[Beregond2]

48. I can only speak for myself of course.

I have tried very hard to ignore her, but she isn't making it easy. Every day she sinks to a new low with her lies and disgusting tactics. As you say, nothing we say here will matter anyway, so why deny us a place to at least vent? It is not as though her supporters haven't spent the past year heaping abuse on Obama. Why are we required to be angels?