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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:29 PM Original message |
Clinton supporters-The popular vote is a meaningless metric that tells NOTHING about popular support |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. Exactly. |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. THANK YOU! And states that decide to hold caucuses HAVE that right |
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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Of course. There are many arguments to be made that caucuses are a better way to select candidates |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Caucuses are superior to primaries. |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hillary likes to confuse her LIV base. |
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noel711 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
4. Too many bogus arguments from shrill voices... |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. K&R. A much needed post! Nice job. nt |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
7. Also kindly remember that the GE election is less than 24 hours. The primary is FIVE MONTHS! |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. Another thing that is annoying is that... |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
9. The of course ignores bonus pledged delegates and proportional rep in even numbered districts. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. Pledged delegates are one of the worst measures. |
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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. An electoral college map is meaningless since its based on projections of something that hasn't |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. What I am saying is that the pledged delegate metric is also flawed. |
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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. It is not perfect, yes, but it has a certain logic to it. Popular vote does not. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. You and I will have to disagree on what constitutes logical basis. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. Interesting |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
12. pledged delegates is a meaningless metric |
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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. And how does that make the popular vote meaningful in any way as a metric? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. well, winning the popular vote means that more people voted |
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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. That more people voted means NOTHING |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. of course it means something |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. Thank you so much for laying this out so clearly. |
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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Please do, and please feel free to copy, and use it in any other discussions anywhere else. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
15. And the popular vote means absolutely nothing in the general election. |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
19. ... that is, except to Al Gore in 2000. n/t |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
22. Though I believe Obama to be the legitimate nominee I will never concede that caucuses |
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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. You can certainly argue that. |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
26. If every state had a primary Hillary would have won this long ago. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
28. That is such crap. YOUR argument has no logical basis to stand on. |
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