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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:57 PM
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Hillary Clinton has set women running for President back another twenty years.
Given her craven and wanton behavior of drawing this out, dividing and embarrassing her party with her disingenuous demands as well and her campaign's accusations of sexism toward anyone who dare oppose her, she has given a bad name to women running for President for the considerable future. To so-called feminists who think Clinton has done our movement a favor by acting like a petulant child, think again. Women will have to work even harder now to prove to mainstream Americans that they not only know how to win, but that they know how to lose gracefully.

Thanks a lot, Hillary.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:59 PM
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1. and don't you just love that 'testicular fortitude' she has.
omg that made me sick and she grinning in the background when this was said. I guess she didn't have much of a choice but that really ticked me off - that the first supposed woman president has the gonads of a man, that being a female still doesn't quite cut it - you have to borrow man parts for the job.

:puke:
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:04 PM
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5. That's the thing about some supposed feminists that bothers me
That it's not about taking pride in our own gender but about acting more like a man. How fucked up.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:59 PM
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2. Nah. And possibly quite the opposite.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 03:03 PM by Gidney N Cloyd
On edit:
Those accused of sexism for not supporting Hillary may want to work extra hard for the next viable woman candidate.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:01 PM
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3. How do you figure?
It's bad enough women have to deal with stereotypes of being unstable and emotional (due to hormones, you know). Hillary has done nothing but reinforce this stereotype.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:04 PM
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6. Sorry-- I just edited my post.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:05 PM
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9. I want people to work extra hard for the next viable candidate, man or woman.
And any candidacy that accuses people of sexism for simply not falling line and voting along gender lines is not particularly viable.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:03 PM
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4. Damn right. She should acknowledge she is a woman and she should know her place....
That would be 10 paces behind the man and eyes cast down.

Give these women the vote and before you know it they wanna be president.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:04 PM
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7. Yeah, that's exactly what I meant.
:eyes:
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:05 PM
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8. All because she went negative against her opponent. She would have clinched it before
TX if she had stayed positive. People are not as stupid as she thinks they are.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:06 PM
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12. It's because she didn't know how to lose with dignity and has damaged our Party.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:05 PM
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10. Well, not for me. I don't consider her to be a representative of any demographic.
I'd vote for half the democratic women on the Hill tomorrow.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:06 PM
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11. I don't think she has. I think people can easily distinguish between Clinton and other women.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:07 PM
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15. I sure hope you're right. I can see the media now...
"echoes of Hillary" or some other meme circulating about. It makes me sick to think about it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:09 PM
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18. Well, if the next one echoes Clinton's lying, bribing, race-baiting, and warmongering...
Then obviously that's an entirely different issue.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:07 PM
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13. I have thought the same thing.
Instead of women showing that they know how to make up their own mind what have many done....follow someone only because of their sex. Well what makes that better than following your husband? Use your own brain and vote on the policies and your own beliefs.

Now how she has acted in this campaign...it's disgraceful. She has whined and lied and used her sex to try to get advantages and cry discrimination. She has set us back.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:07 PM
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17 million Democratic voters don't agree with you. nt
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:07 PM
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14. I could not agree more....
She's an embarassment, wants the rules changed for her and will stop at nothing to get what she thinks she deserves! If her female supporters can't see this, especially now that her latest fantasy seems to be predicated on a Sirhan Sirhan redux, there is no hope for them.....
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:07 PM
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16. Nope.
She's only set herself back 20 years.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:09 PM
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19. I do'nt see how there cannot be a ripple effect after this election...
It's simply gone on too long and too much has been said. Even Obama wins in November...
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:12 PM
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21. It's has nothing to do with gender.
Just political style.

The right woman could soar.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:35 PM
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25. that is so true.
I've been on the fence about this 'effect' Hillary may have on future presidential runs for women in high office. sometimes I think she is damaging overall and sometimes i think IT'S JUST HER, she does not represent all women altho she tries to play up on this one.

She is an asshole, she is also a woman. does that mean all women are assholes.

and if George Jr and all his white male predessors represent men - then no white man can every be trusted for presidency?

she screwed up this election all on her own, she didn't lose because she was a woman, she lost because she is a lieing asshole.

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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:08 PM
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17. That's your opinion and you're sticking with it, I am sure.
But it's not factual. There are very few women that could have gotten this far in this race. She has broken through barriers that no other women has even gotten close to before. There has been no one before her but many will follow. Win or lose, she has advanced the path for women presidential candidates forever. I, for one, am deeply grateful to her. I sure couldn't have done it.

signed

a so-called feminist
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:10 PM
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20. I think her campaign will be a lesson for women candidates in how NOT to run.
The woman who wins the presidency will be the one who wouldn't dream of running as "the woman's candidate."

"Vote for me, I have a cooter" isn't much of a campaign theme. Bhutto, Meir, Thatcher, Gandhi all scoff at Hillary's gender politics.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:35 PM
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22. Oh, nonsense! She's thoroughly discredited herself. Women will do just fine.
Moreover, imagine an Obama-Sebelius ticket. Unlike with Ferraro, a ticket with a woman on it could win, and a woman become VP.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:36 PM
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23. As a woman, I AM ASHAMED of HRC's behavior, tactics, and lack of ethics.
I am over 50, and I AM NOT her base.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:43 PM
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24. Actually, I don't think so. The weirder she gets, the less she resembles other women.
Or other humans, for that matter. I think most people will be able to realize that her "but I want it and it should be mine and I'll do anything to get it" has nothing-zero-zip to do with her gender.
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:53 PM
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26. She has invoked all of the worst stereo types about women.
Shrill, deceitful, manipulative, conniving. And when all else fails, tears or just cry sexism. She has set women way back. Truly an embarrasement.
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