Timmy Russert just said (paraphrasing): "He can't pick another woman, if he wants a woman..."

[LucyParsons]

Re: VP pick

"He can't justify to people, if he wants to pick a woman, to pick another woman, and not Hillary."

Why not? Why not just say, "He can't justify picking anyone other than Hillary."

Are there no other women politicians? Is gender the main consideration? Is Hillary unassailable?

I'm confused.

Fuck Timmy. As a feminist, I found his whole line of reasoning quite offensive.

[JVS]

1. He can so.

[NashVegas]

2. Because Women Think Guys Are Assholes When They Trade In For a New Model

And the old one works just fine. Does that spell it out well enough?

[reflection]

8. Bad analogy.

When was Hillary ever Baracks current model? They've never had a political relationship of that nature.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

11. I was just about to type the same thing.

[NashVegas]

18. No, Not Really

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

Because women think men are assholes when they trade out for a new model and there's nothing wrong with the old one, but women know men are assholes if they think women should do the same thing.

[reflection]

22. I'll have to read this again in a few hours.

because that went right over my head. But I will allow for the possibility that I am in the wrong frame of mind.

[reflection]

38. Nope. Still doesn't make sense.

Ah well then.

[Shae]

46. and you guys think Obama's supporters . . .

are sexist.

(He can do better).

[BlooInBloo]

21. But Clinton DOESN'T work just fine. That's the whole issue. Duh.

[polichick]

3. I was thinking that Tim's crazy if he believes Obama would even consider HRC now!

[Indenturedebtor]

6. Russert is an owlfaced enemabag. You can tell he doesn't know what he's talking about when

his lips are moving.

[ima_sinnic]

15. bwahaha!

:spray:

"owlfaced enemabag" just --BWAHAHA -- just struck me as -- heeheehee, hahaha-- :rofl: :rofl:

[SoCalDem]

39. Aw, don't besmirch Big Russ' baby boy

[Indenturedebtor]

40. Lol that has to be one of my favorite SwampRats :D n/t

[boobooday]

4. Oh, and why the HELL would that be?

ARRGH! Only one female contender allowed at a time.

[LucyParsons]

7. You've hit the nail on the head - "only one female contender at a time"

What punks.

[LakeSamish706]

5. After todays major gaffe, he can go out on the street and pick any woman for VP... Hillary...

is screwed.

[LucyParsons]

10. He just said this on MSNBC!

Like, five minutes ago!

[anigbrowl]

14. Well, he's wrong. That line of thinking is so three hours ago.

[C_U_L8R]

9. He can choose whoever is the right choice for his administration

In spite of whatever Timmy pontificates

[Time for change]

12. Timmy is nothing but an arrogant jerk

To think that he gets paid big bucks to spout off his worthless opinions!!
:mad:

[femmedem]

13. Russert is forgetting someone obvious.

I can't believe no one's floated this idea yet...an outspoken woman...not Hillary herself...because that might mobilize the GOP...but someone associated with her campaign...someone who can bring Hillary's supporters back into the fold...Yes! Obama should select Geraldine Ferraro!

But more seriously: you are not confused. You're spot on. Obama is either obligated to offer it to Hillary or he can offer it to anyone he damn well pleases, regardless of gender. Personally, I vote for the latter.

[sfam]

16. "There can be only ONE"...

I truly hate this line of reasoning - that because Hillary has girl parts, this of course disqualifies all other potential candidates with girl parts.

Unfortunately, we get the same reasoning here from Hillary supporters. The bottom line of all this is we NEVER think this way about men. Can anyone EVER imagine Paul Tsongas's supporters getting mad at Clinton for Picking another candidate with guy parts?

What's truly amazing is how this view has been translated into commmon knowledge which everyone agrees on. Hillary supporters will OF COURSE be offended, and everyone will OF COURSE think that Obama is only picking a token candidate.

So tough luck Sebelius and Napolitano. There can be only ONE...

[Shae]

47. You've got a point . . .

If Hillary were winning, would they say she couldn't pick any other man or veep than Obama?

[Cali_Democrat]

17. That is extremely offense to women everywhere who aren't named Hillary Clinton

Tim Russert: You can only pick a woman if she's the wife of an ex-president. Women can't do it on their own and they need to ride their husband's coattails.

[ErinBerin84]

19. I'm kind of conflicted about this

In a way, I guess I could see how some women would think it was a naked pander to them to garner their favor. But ultimately, it completely underscores their argument that they support Hillary Clinton because she is the best candidate and not because she is a woman. If their reasons for supporting Hillary (in addition to supporting her because she is empowering to women) are mostly because they strongly believe that her qualities for president qualify her in a unique way, why should they be especially offended if the VP choice is a woman? If someone is that adament about Hillary being on the ticket, then it is offensive to me that they were be even MORE offended if a woman is on the ticket than if a man is on the ticket. They should just be offended that Hillary is not on the ticket. Though it does become personal I suppose if people especially think that Hillary Clinton should have been "the first" to make history in this regards, that a different woman would possibly make it and Hillary would not.

[sfam]

24. As a man, I dream of a day...

where the selection of a VP is chosen based on logical arguments. This involves:

- Matching to the President's style
- Shoring up weaknesses (exec experience, etc.)
- Help bringing votes to a state or region
- Help with a voting block

The help with a voting block could be independents, low-income voters, Hispanics, women, etc.

But the choice of what sex parts the VP has should only be considered in relation to those issues listed above. NOT whether or not the woman's slot has already been filled, or whether the minority slot has been filled. This is just specious crap.

And those who call themselves feminists who buy into the reasoning that all other women are now off-limits really need to check their assumptions.

[ErinBerin84]

25. exactly

[LucyParsons]

27. I am a borderline radfem

And I totally agree with your post.

:hi:

[Cha]

20. Guess what, timmy the russert?

It's not about being a "woman", a "Black", or a pinstripe..it's about being the best for the job. So please take you rabid analysis and stick on the prong of useless information.

[Kber]

23. Bull shit!

I am so god damned sick of this idiotic "Queen Bee" syndrome where we all assume there is only one seat for a woman at the table. It's anti-feminism in a very ugly incarnation and way to many of us buy into it.

[SeattleGirl]

26. I heard that.

It was an idiotic thing to say, but then, he's been known to do that more than once!

[anonymous171]

28. Hillaryists =/= feminists.

They don't give a shit about women. To them, Hillary is the only one.

[CitizenLeft]

29. well, he certainly can now.

Today, she made that possible.

[DevonRex]

31. Yep. She sure did. nt

[Davis_X_Machina]

30. Any woman picked...

...should be an experienced politician, dedicated servant of the people, and of the Democratic party, who came up the hard way, worked hard to get the nomination, only to be shouldered out of the way by a media-darling interloper.

And the nomination she didn't get -- U.S. Senate, NY, 2002.

I give you US Rep Nita Lowey.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

32. Says Mr Potato Head Russert? Because there's only 1 electable Dem female in the country?

What an idiot!

Yes, that's right everyone. Tim Russert has declared that there is only one electable Democratic female in the entire country and her name is Hillary and if Obama even wanted to consider a female he has one choice and one choice only. Says Mr. Tim Russert. The pundit. The asshole.

We have 1 female that Obama is allowed to select. How about that?

WOW! My head is still exploding! You condescending . . . .

[TexasObserver]

33. His comment is perfectly logical. He can't pick a woman other than Hillary.

Because if he does, Hillary's supporter will throw an even bigger hissy fit than they will if he chooses a male for VP.

I don't think Russert implied that Obama would pick Hillary, simply that he would not pick another woman over Hillary for VP. I think Russert is correct about that.

[Major Hogwash]

34. Don't worry about Timmy, Lucy. He went to the Christmas party at Rumsfeld's when they caught Saddam.

And he was so thrilled to be one of the first 100 neocons to learn about it.

Russert can't wait to bash Obama and tell everyone what a fucking hero McCain was for getting shot down over Vietnam.

[dchill]

35. Well, he can now.

:shrug:

[dana_b]

36. only one woman per election cycle!!! don't you know the rules??

:spank:

[CaptJasHook]

37. Amen

There are plenty of talented women who know the Congress and/or have administrative experience.

[shadowknows69]

41. I've determined that Russert is just shitfaced all the time

And says anything that pops into his noggin.

[kenny blankenship]

42. It's a Cross Promotional Tie-In: the same people who own Hillary own Timmeh

He's obligated to push the product --NO SUBSTITUTIONS ALLOWED!

Chris Matthews admitted the bias for Hillary, and interestingly also for the War (another cross promoted product), that he felt from his employers.

[PoliticalAmazon]

43. 1) Hillary uses assassination as a campaign strategy. 2)...

she lies and can't be trusted. 3) She so desperately believes she is entitled to be president that she will do anything, including court assassins, to get her way.

Obama's a nice guy, but he's not an idiot. He's not going to have as VP someon who just sent a shout-out to bigotted assassins.

And Russert is completely out of touch with reality if he thinks that anyond would blame Obama for not picking Hillary.

[NC_Nurse]

44. Why not? Are we all the same now?

:wtf:

[LittleBlue]

45. You want sexism? Here it is

Tim, we treat people as individuals, not a group defined by sex.