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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:25 PM
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I don't accept her explanation or her 'apology'
Edited on Fri May-23-08 08:15 PM by FLDem5
The Kennedy family was on her mind today? Then why did she say the same thing in March?

TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual.


and in April:

"But I also think it's still early, I mean everybody is so focused on where we are right now, I, I, guess I remember in June of '92 that's when Bill really wrapped up the nomination, the middle of June after the California primary. Um, You know, I remember very well what happened in the California primary in 1968 as Sen. Kennedy won that primary.


from her campaign earlier today (before the 'gaffe')

Wolfson and McAuliffe both insist that she is not quitting and will campaign through the last primaries on June 3rd -- and until decisions are made on Michigan and Florida. They say she feels to do otherwise would be letting down her supporters. Despite the odds against her getting the nomination, Clinton aides say as long as people are still voting, there is always the chance something will happen and she ends up winning.



and her supporters have dipped into this territory before...

Today, in Dover, Francine Torge, a former John Edwards supporter, said this while introducing Mrs. Clinton: "Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually" passed the civil rights legislation....

Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman said: "We were not aware that this person was going to make those comments and disapprove of them completely. They were totally inappropriate."


Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), a vice chair of the Democratic Leadership Council, said, "I'll encourage to ask, and if he does, for her to say yes."
He added, "She would be a good president if something ever were to happen to him. She'll deliver a heck of a lot of women in a lot of states."



even Doris Lessing has weighed in:

Obama, who is vying to become the first black president in US history, "would certainly not last long, a black man in the position of president. They would murder him," Lessing, 88, told the Dagens Nyheter daily.


More from stillcool47 in the responses below:


Clinton campaign on ropes
BY JOHN GUERRIERO

Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200805...




Sun May 11, 2008

Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination. But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinto...



CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination

May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main...




When ‘Isolated Incidents’ cease being ISOLATED & INCIDENTAL, They form a PATTERN. Accept what the PATTERN tells you.

Her argument for staying in for a while now has been (publicly) that she is staying in because you never know what may happen, that something 'may happen'. Now we know what the 'something' is.

Call me what you want. But there is a pattern, and I'm not stupid. And she needs to apologize her ass off to the entire country, not just the Kennedy family.




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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:27 PM
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM
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3. Nah, I think your delusional, get a life
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:33 PM
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6. I do have a hobby, politics.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:50 PM
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13. she's trolling the threads throwing insults because this is indefensible.
she mustn't have read the last fifty years of American history. just sad.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:08 PM
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18. not anymore....
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM
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2. Hillary need not apologize to a single soul. Get over it. (eom)
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM
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4. no. (eom)
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM
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7. You mean like Obama's family?
Wow, what a big heart you have.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:41 PM
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25. Michelle's an educated person. She knew what Hillary meant.(eom)
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:33 PM
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21. You're right, she doesn't.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 08:33 PM by sparosnare
She has shown she is just like Bush; too much inside her own head to realize her choice of words may have really distressed people. It doesn't matter what she intended - she said them, there was outcry and instead of realizing she should apologize, gave some half-baked explanation without one mention of Obama. Incapable of admitting she screwed up. Just like her IWR vote.

She doesn't have to apologize. She just needs to go away.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:43 PM
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26. She won't go away, for reasons she's already explained. (eom)
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:30 PM
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5. I believe it was the ultimate dog-whistle to South Dakota voters ....
"Don't waste your vote on a dead guy."

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM
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8. Me either. K & R.
:thumbsup:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:42 PM
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9. Oh dear. I didn't realize...
the Clinton Campaign was being quite that specific.

Clinton campaign on ropes
BY JOHN GUERRIERO

Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS02/805080437



Sun May 11, 2008

Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination.
But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html?section=cnn_latest


CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination

May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main4078586.shtml
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:48 PM
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11. wow- thank you for that addition - mind if I add it to the OP if there is still time?
while you decide - you might enjoy this bit from the Rude One:

5/23/2008
Hillary Clinton: RFK's Ass Was Capped All the Way in June, So What's Your Fuckin' Hurry?:
An analogy: Hillary Clinton basing her timeline for ending the current nomination process on the June assassination of Robert Kennedy is like a drunk guy saying he's got time for another whiskey because his girlfriend is busy getting gang raped in the alley behind the bar.

And someone really ought to point out to the Clinton campaign that the presidential campaign of 1968 was not a two- or three-year long process. The New Hampshire primary, the first in the nation, wasn't until March 12. Kennedy didn't even get into the running until March 16, 1968. By June 4, 1968, the date of the California primary that Kennedy won, a date that's four months later than this year's California primary, there had only been 13 primaries. Indeed, running until the convention was the only choice, especially after Kennedy was killed on June 5. By June 5 this year, every state will have had its primaries or caucuses. It's not that people were any more patient in 1968. They just didn't have a choice but to wait and see.

So, like, even leaving out the morbid fucktardery of the statement Clinton made and dealing with it on its alleged merits, it's deceptive and idiotic and out of context.

To Clinton's campaign and its supporters, who have been holding out for some gaffe by Obama that would take him down: How's that working out for ya?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:06 PM
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17. Damn. I wish you would have had time..
to add it. It is very much a pattern. This time she got nailed.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:15 PM
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19. I did it!
I was waiting for your permission.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:35 PM
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22. That's great...
but please..if you ever want to use anything I post feel free.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:36 AM
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31. thanks
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:56 PM
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15. I think someone already tried and failed, in Dallas
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:47 PM
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10. Again, it was bad judgement, we cannot have her in the WH
we've had 8 years of this.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:49 PM
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12. Hillary is no role model that's for damn sure...
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:52 PM
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14. I think this is funny as hell
I'm picturing Hillary's gleeful opportunism 2 minutes after Obama's "bitter" remark went national, grabbing all the boilermakers and guns she could carry, just a simple hardworking duct-tape-and-pipe-fitter kind of gal. Now look at her.

She brought the kitchen sink and now she's soaking in it. Tough shit, Hil.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:02 PM
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16. that was some pretty great imagery.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:28 PM
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20. Of course not, that would mean that you had to stop hating. So go ahead and believe this lie (eom)
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:38 PM
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24. huh? "Hating"?
what does that have to do with hoping for the "Catastrophic Event" that will give Hillary the nomination? It's nothing new. I'm sure it's nothing you haven't been hoping for yourself.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:36 PM
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23. IF..IF...If I offended anyone. It wasn't an apology
She can't admit ever making a mistake. Kind of like someone else. K/R
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:56 PM
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27. Thanks for gathering all of this together in one place.
I'm still in shock that she said this. It's the numbness before the pain hits, I fear.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:00 PM
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28. Another fact-filled post.. excellent supporting evidence. Thank you for putting this together. I
have been too upset to think, much less type anything coherent. Bookmarked, K&R.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:05 AM
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30. props due to stillcool47, too!
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:04 PM
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29. Ni moi non plus!
NEVER!
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