Oh come on!

[ezgoingrl]

I watched the video of HRC's comments expecting to see something scandalous. Lo and behold! Nothing scandalous was to be found only a comment meant to bring historical perspective to more than one candidate still being in the race for the nomination in June.

My post count may be low, but I've been reading this board for a very long time, something like 7 years now. I've never seen such low class, mud-slinging behavior as I've seen on this board during this primary. It's pathetic.

So you don't like one candidate or the other, act like a grown up and spare us the negative energy. Instead, post something positive about the candidate you do support. Just please stop with the name calling, it is becoming more than tedious.

[Name removed]

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[evlbstrd]

2. Living up to your name right away, are you?

Welcome to DU. Primaries are always fun around here.

[LibraLiz1973]

3. A pile on is coming your way in 5...4...3...2.....

[ezgoingrl]

42. I expected it. No worries.

[grantcart]

4. It is a gaffe of historic proportions

It is much greater of a big deal than Dean's scream or Romney saying that he was brainwashed about Vietnam.

If you don't see it then you need to take a step back.

People who talk this way are not considered viable prospects for President.

[marions ghost]

22. It's Hucksterbee level....

ie. when he was at the NRA meeting and heard something sounding like a gunshot, and he sez, "Oh that's Obama..." :mad:

You just do NOT imply that you want the process to go to the convention because your opponent might be assassinated. Especially after all the dog whistling that she has done.

Hucksterbee made a JOKE about shooting acandidate (to the NRA where it got laughs). Hucksterbee is a creep but then he's no Dem.

Hill has sunk to their level. We have seen it all along.

[grantcart]

37. Its worse because she would benefit from the assassination and

Huckabee was just trying to be funny

[dchill]

50. Can a gaffe be calculated, or does the calculation...

remove the gaffitude?

[anonymous171]

5. I'm sure you rushed to Obama's defense after the Bittergate gaffe.

[Thrill]

6. Remember when she jumped on Obama's small town comment? He's too classy to do the same to her

[anonymous171]

17. EXACTLY!

Deserves its own OP.

[journalist3072]

27. Obama is an arrogant prick. He doesn't know the meaning of class.

This is the same man whose main talking point is that if he's the nominee, he knows all of Sen. Clinton's backers will support him, but he's not sure his supporters will back her if she's the nominee.

This is a man who's campaign released a memo calling Sen. Clinton "Senator Clinton (D-Punjab)."

This is the same man who's main foreign policy adviser called Sen. Clinton a "monster."

This is the same man has people speaking on his behalf, saying that Sen. Clinton, he "doesn't go on tv and have crying fits" and that he "didn't wait til 60 to find his voice."

And that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the disgusting comments comming from Obama and his campaign.

[WillyT]

34. Well... At Least He Was Right About You...

You are definitely bitter.

:evilgrin:

[Binka]

35. You Should Know About Arrogance Since You Personify It But Class You Don't Have A Clue

BTW Clinton called herself the Senator from Punjab. Oops you didn't do your homework now did you? The rest of your post is such drivel I refuse to even comment on it. If you are a journalist I'd suggest quiting and applying for a job at Jack In The Box, you are a REAL clown.

[Thrill]

36. weak

[Swamp Rat]

60. You have said on a number of occasions that you will vote for John McCain if Obama is the nominee.

Just a reminder.

[Ice-9]

54. Thank you.

David Axelrod said that he didn't think Senator Clinton was actually hoping for some kind of tragic event to occur. I agree; I think Clinton spoke out of political incompetence rather than malice. But does anyone really think for one second that Howard Wolfson would say the same thing if the roles were reversed?

[enough]

7. Please read some of the thoughts of older members on this subject, such as

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3333962

[Double T]

8. Sane comments. Thanks!

[tularetom]

9. OK I'll post something positive about my candidate

He would never comment on the possibility that his opponent might be assassinated.

[ClassWarrior]

10. Okay, here's something positive about our nominee. He's our nominee.

NGU.

[Beregond2]

11. Ya know...

you're post really sums-up for me the difference between Hillary supporters and actual Democrats. That you could be this cool about something so reprehensible says it all.

[keep_it_real]

12. Here is what is wrong with what she said:

She did not have to say that, "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California." In the context of what she was saying she could have said "We all remember Bobby Kennedy won the California primary in June." But she deliberately injected the statement about assassination to inspire that in some crazy fanatic.

[DogPoundPup]

13. Perhaps if you are not offended by her June assassination analogy...

how about the fact her memory is defective?

[beezlebum]

18. valor theft.

just thought it needed to be put bluntly, sos not to forget the pass she was given there.

[KAZ]

14. 7 years and a low post count. I guess I can be thankful for something tonight.

[genna]

38. As one with a low post count, DITTO on the thankfulness.

[Oleladylib]

15. Thank you for your post...This low class establishment isn't worthy of our time.

[Catch22Dem]

23. Yet you keep coming back

Strange

[beezlebum]

16. yeah good luck with that.

:eyes:

unacceptable. unforgivable. NO MORE FUCKING PASSES.

[OhioBlue]

19. For that to be true she would have had to say it for the first time

it is obviously a line she has repeated at least 3 times.

Also, if she is trying to give people a historical perspective, she would need to point out that the California Primary is now held in February and they started the Primary campaign about a year earlier than Bobby Kennedy did. She neglected to point that out, which negates her "historical reference" of just stating facts about how long Primary campaigns go on. there is no comparison to the primary of '68 and the primary of '08. Her comments about the assassination are obviously in reference to her often repeated "any thing can happen". She sucks. There is no defense for this.

[Generator]

20. You are correct

with the vicious behavior. And I usually stay away. Have for weeks at a time. And I agree with the video being kind of benign. She looks bored. Reading it is different however.

"In June we had the assassination of RFK." Yes, it's timing, yes it's historical fact. But if you can't see or understand that wound she is bringing up as HER BEST HOPE to win-then I wonder how old you are-and if you don't get the appeal of RFK or MLK or even Malcolm X. All assassinated. 2 of them black men. And it hurts and Hillary doesn't get it and I guess some white people don't get it. The pain of MLK and RFK is still REAL for some of us. Some of us feel America basically showed it's true colors and came to a pre-determnined end then. So Ms. Clinton musing on the death of the only black man to have a shot at the presidency as her way to win upsets it. There is nothing fake about it.

[blitzen]

21. Hey, it's not just some of us pro-Obama DUers...It's also the MSM and the...

whole bolgosphere. Virtually everyone is to some degree disturbed by HRC's comment, or at least thinks it was in some way awful--even if only as an awful blunder.

[Auntie Bush]

47. Silly You. You hadn't noticed that all the blogosphere and media

have always been against Hillary....so them all against her now means nothing! Anyone who changed their mind or defends her is just too chicken to defend her any more as they get consumed with hate mail.

[murielm99]

49. I watched the MSM tonight, something I usually avoid.

I did not see the outrage and hysteria there that I see here on DU.

[blitzen]

53. true, there was not outrage on the MSM....But there was near-total consensus

that it at least an awful blunder--which is what I said in my post. Besides that, there was LOTS of "stick-a-fork-in-her, she's done" talk. If you didn't hear this, then I truly doubt you were watching the MSM.

[murielm99]

57. You do not have the right to call me a liar.

And you may have seen and heard what you did because you chose to read your own emotions into it.

Were YOU watching the MSM? Or were you here, watching the hate-Hillary posts multiply like rabbits?

[blitzen]

62. Does the Washinton Post count as MSM?

just one example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6103616


Sorry, but I stand by what I said. There was near-universal consensus that it was an awful blunder.

[journalist3072]

24. The Obama folks have been pretty consistent with their faux-outrage

They are just looking for any reason to call Senator Clinton a "piece of shit" (as has been done here on DU today).

She's been called everything but a child of God here on DU.

The Obama folks have no credibility.

You didn't find anything scandalous because nothing scandalous occurred.

[Buck Laser]

29. A total brain fade isn't scandalous?

Haven't we seen enough with seven years of a brainless president? If Hillary can say something like this and not see anything wrong with it, then her judgment is clearly faulty. I've been an Obama supporter for more than a year, but I've resisted saying or thinking anything negative about her. But she screwed the pooch permanently today.

[DogPoundPup]

25. Hillary: "White people won't vote for Obama" + "Assassinations

have been known to happen in June." Hmmmmm...she is exhausted?

[TexasObserver]

26. When you are in the 3% who see nothing wrong, it might be time to ask yourself WHY?

The problem is not with the 97%.

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. All that is left is DAMAGE CONTROL..... she sank her ship

If you want you can still bail her water, but she filled the bilges with
urine. I would suggest you get to a lifeboat because you're stuck
in third class passage in the bottom of the ship saying that she
didn't hit an iceberg.

[DogPoundPup]

39. A visual of Hill's boat

[barack the house]

30. Yes, we have to keep the sentiments positive or we drive voters away...

HRC apologized not much else she can do than that.

[crankychatter]

31. you get nothing

.

[Straight Shooter]

32. ezgoingrl ...

[MadMaddie]

33. ezgoingrl out of curiosity what age range are you in?

Because that will make a difference in your perception of RFK and his assassination in 1968. Please read old posts by our fellow DU'rs who lived through the 60's ..... There are plenty of documentaries to cover the below assasinations.

It is a big deal, especially if Hillary is the so called most experienced candidate....that decade of the 1960's has marred this country....and she was there....she should have known better.

I did some homework for you.


ASSASSINATION of John F. Kennedy January 04, 1963
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/22/newsid_2451000/2451143.stm

ASSASSINATION OF Malcom X
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/21/newsid_2752000/2752637.stm

ASSASSINATION of Medger Evers June 12, 1963 http://africawithin.com/bios/medgar_evers.htm

ASSASSINATION of Robert F. Kennedy 1968 June
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/5/newsid_2658000/2658877.stm

ASSASSINATION of Rev Martin Luther King 1968
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/4/newsid_2453000/2453987.stm

It's not mudslinging....Hillary should have known...especially after the last Kennedy brother has just been diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor......that's all.

[ezgoingrl]

43. I know the 60's era changed the face of the country.

I still think everyone is too sensitive, looking for a reason to get bent out of shape. I thought the whole Reverend Wright issue was blown out of proportion as well. This is an election, people say things...sometimes they don't come across the way they were intended and sometimes they're taken out of context.

Competition brings out the best in some, and the worst in others...I need to keep that in mind.

[murielm99]

55. I was 15 when JFK was assassinated,

and 19, nearly 20, when RFK and MLK were assassinated.

I remember the days and where I was when I heard like it was yesterday. Some of the emotions never go away.

I find the reactions of DU's Obama supporters to be over the top. The screaming and shouting are, for the most part, faux outrage and hypocritical. They are offensive to my memories and the memories of many who lived through those times.

I remember the people lining the tracks to see Bobby's funeral train go by. They were silent. Many of us prefer that silence. We could use some of it now.

[pnorman]

65. Thanks for those links. I'll add them to my collection.

I was in my thirties during that chilling decade, and each and every one of those assassinations linger with me to this day. Much of my library as well as internet bookmarks, deal with them. No other First World Nation has had an election process, with assassination being such a real possibility. If she made that reference in ignorance or carelessness, them she's manifestly UNFIT to hold a position higher than that of dogcatcher!

Full disclosure: Yes, I'm a committed Obamaite (an "Elitist" with a high school diploma), but I became one only in the past two months.

pnorman
PS: I'd been going to sea, from 1946 to 2000. I don't find this graphic particularly "offensive", but it sure gets my attention!

[MadMaddie]

68. You are welcome!

It's yours and others experiences during that time that are begin dismissed and that is what is ticking me off.

It is a big deal because it has been reality....and reality can repeat itself. That is one of the main problems in this country right now no one is paying enough attention to history.

[slinkerwink]

40. a politician HAS never cited an assassination as a reason to stay in the race. It's the wrong

historical reference to use. There are many others that don't involve assassinations.

[murielm99]

56. That is not what Clinton did. As usual, you Obama

supporters twist her words.

[slinkerwink]

59. hm, then why mention the RFK assassination?

[PurityOfEssence]

63. To point out another example of a nominee not being determined by May

How fucking obvious does this have to be?

[slinkerwink]

67. let me cite to you from the Washington Post as to why this is WRONG

Smart candidates don't invoke the possibility of their opponents being killed. This seems so obvious it shouldn't need to be said, but apparently, it needs to be said. "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Hillary Clinton said yesterday, referencing the fact that past nomination contests have stretched into June to explain why she hasn't heeded calls to exit the Democratic race. She was in an editorial board meeting with a South Dakota newspaper, and she didn't even seem to notice she'd just uttered the unutterable.

The nation's political science students, our future strategists and campaign managers, would do well to pay attention to this moment. There are taboos in presidential politics, and this is one of the biggest. To raise the specter of a rival's assassination, even unintentionally, is to make a truly terrible thing real. It sounds like one might be waiting for a terrible thing to happen, even if one isn't. It sounds almost like wishful thinking.

"She was talking about the length of the race and using the '68 election as an example of how long the races in the past have gone," Howard Wolfson said, missing the point. What she meant was: We can wait a little longer to know who the Democratic nominee is. What she said was: assassinated.

In fact, she had used similar, more carefully phrased language back in March, in a Time magazine interview: "Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual."

The fear of a president or a presidential candidate being shot or assassinated is horrifying precisely because recent history teaches us that it can happen. We don't need anybody to remind us, and we certainly don't need anybody to remind whatever suggestible wackos might be lurking in the shadows.

In the context of Obama, Clinton's words broke a double taboo, because since the beginning of his candidacy, some of Obama's supporters have feared that his race made him more of a target than other presidential hopefuls. Obama was placed under Secret Service protection early, a full year ago. To be unaware that one's words tap into a monumental fear that exists in a portion of the electorate -- a fear that Obama's race could get him killed -- is an unusual mistake for a serious and highly disciplined presidential candidate.

link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/23/AR2008052302789.html?hpid=topnews

Smart candidates don't bring up the assassination of a young, charismatic politician as a reason to stay in the race against a young, charismatic politician.

[ezgoingrl]

41. I've learned so much

from this board that's why I come back and read. I don't post because I get attacked and I see others attacked as well. I just don't get it. I cannot wrap my mind around the bickering and the insults that are slung around so casually. From my perspective there is just no reason for it. Silly me thinking this should be a place where mistakes are allowed, wrongs are forgiven and adults can agree to disagree.

[DogPoundPup]

46. It's politics sweety!

There's a reason why religion and politics do not make for 'good' conversations.

[liberalcommontater]

44. Yea for you! Go Hillary!

[OnionPatch]

45. I gotta agree.

And I'm an Obama supporter.

[ShortnFiery]

48. You don't go there. HRC has truly stepped over the line. She's NUTS and should not hold any OFFICE

:nuke:

[RBInMaine]

51. Let me tell you why people are so upset about this if you are having such a hard time getting it :

1) It was WEIRD and INAPPROPRIATE to use this no matter what the actual reason was. We are VERY sensitive about invoking "assassination" in our political dialogue like this, especially that of the leaders like the beloved RFK. People have VERY strong feelings here.

2) There were MANY other examples of long primaries to use: i.e. D's in 1972, R's in 1976, D's in
1984, etc.

3) Hillary has a long history now in this primary of going so negative. This ads insult to injury for many of us.

4) She and her campaign have been saying that "ANYTHING" can happen, which is why she should stay in.
It seems very clear that "ANYTHING" means just that, including a catastrophe happening to the opponent. So holding out for "anything" to happen at the expense of the party when the nomination for her is completely out of reach is not sitting well with LOTS of Dems.

5) Bill had the nomination wrapped up WEEKS before June in '92. She, again, is STRETCHING to use that as a reason to stay in as well.


* What she needs to do now is finish humbly and gracefully exit on June 4th, be quiet until then, and APOLOGIZE much more sincerely ASAP.

[WA98296]

52. Under 1,000 -- on her payroll

[Abacus]

58. Interesting,

I thought her comments worse after watching the video. The way she pauses and hangs on the statement comes off terribly, like she is waiting for him to get killed so she can get the nomination. While I certainly don't think she was advocating for his assassination, there's no arguing it was a point horribly made and a ridiculous apology. I think there is a bit of an overreaction, but after the way the Clinton campaign has tried to turn every Obama comment into a gaffe, I'm fresh out of sympathy regarding the response to her "misstatement".

[Swamp Rat]

61. Her comments were ghoulish.

Her political career is finished.

[EFerrari]

64. Apparently you're not grown up enough yourself

to understand that there is a whole generation for whom assassination of our leaders is not historical but personal.

[Beausoir]

66. It's the silly season for the Obamatots. Spring is in the air and they just can't help themselves.

Stupidest faux outrage I have ever seen.