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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:48 PM
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'She just gave Democrats a reason to say no.'
Hillary Clinton said what?


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By Sheldon Alberts
May 23, 2008


The remarks are stunning when read on the printed page. Citing reasons she is staying the Democratic presidential race, Hillary Clinton had the following to say to the Argus-Leader newspaper of Sioux Falls, S.D.

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary, somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June (1968) in California."

Is it unreasonable to think Clinton was suggesting she's continuing her campaign because Obama might be the target of violence?
Not if you're a black person in America.
Immediately after Clinton's already-infamous remarks, it was African American commentators - including radio host Roland Martin and Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson - who were most outraged on the cable news shows. They remember what happened to Martin Luther King Jr., having marked the 40th anniversary of his killing just last month.

They know about the heavy security at Barack Obama's campaign events, as does every journalist who has followed his campaign for the past five months.
Though it is rarely written about, here's the fact: the security presence around Obama is far tighter and far more visible than for either Clinton or John McCain.
Obama was the first presidential candidate to receive Secret Service protection last year, specifically because of credible threats against him.

That's why Clinton's remarks have been denounced as reprehensible.

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Her campaign insisted she referenced Kennedy's June 1968 assassination as a way to note that presidential primary campaigns frequently enter the summer months, so there's no reason to end this one. ..... If that was Clinton's intent Friday in South Dakato, she could not have made her point in a more hamfisted, ugly and inflammatory way.
At every turn in this campaign, Bill and Hillary Clinton have cast themselves as victims whenever inferences are drawn from remarks some believed were made with barely veiled intent.
Bill Clinton's likening of Barack Obama's campaign to Jesse Jackson's failed candidacy? It was the media's invention that Bubba Bill was trying to marginalize Obama.
Hillary's recent comment that Obama can't win among "hard-working Americans, white Americans?" Again, it was just a slip of the tongue, taken out of context. No disrespect to black people intended.

The Clintons have received the benefit of the doubt every time. But maybe not this time, not when many in the Democratic party already believe Hillary's main goal in staying in the race is to seize the nomination if Obama's campaign implodes.
Many Democrats, whether fearful of the Clintons or respectful of them, have been content to see Hillary continue campaigning so as not to stir division in the party. They were prepared to see Clinton exit the campaign on her own terms, gracefully.

But one wonders how much longer Democratic elders will stay silent.
"This is beyond the pale," Rep. James Clyburn, an undeclared superdelegate and the third-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives, told the New York Times.
Clinton just made a phenomenal political mistake, whatever her intent. Absent a primary or another significant political event over the Memorial Day weekend in the U.S., the assassination remark is all anyone will be talking about.

In the past few weeks, Clinton has repeatedly appealed for more time to make her case to voters, more time so Florida and Michigan could count.

She just gave Democrats a reason to say no.






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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:02 PM
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1. anyone who believes that Super Delegates will overturn pledged delegates for this
is not in touch with political reality.

The stampede is about to happen.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:10 PM
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3. I hope to God you are right, grantcart. End this horror show NOW. n/t
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:28 PM
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6. do you think this will be over before the 31st?
when do you predict the stampede will begin? maybe tomorrow? too much wishful thinking on my part?

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:58 PM
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10. given that his magic number is in the 50's he needs very little
you have to remember that there are alot of SDs that live in districts that went big for Obama but they had endorsed her months before that. They have been waiting for a reason to leave and now she gave it to him. Governor Patterson maybe the first - it is obvious that he doesn't like her.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:39 PM
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7. I just posted an OP and used the very same word - "stampede" - to explain what I see happening
in the coming days. Supporters of hers who held back, fearing the thought of suffering through the Richardson/Judas syndrome,
now will feel unburdened.

There is no argument that can possibly be made in her favor at this point.

And all I keep thinking about is Teddy Kennedy, what he's been facing this week, and the upcoming 40th anniversary of his brother Bobby's
death - and having to revisit that pain through the lens of Hillary's ambition.

And I keep wondering if Hillary would have made those remarks if Teddy had endorsed HER, and not Obama.

Just wondering...
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:07 PM
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2. Super delegates should come out in force TOMORROW for Obama. This can't stand. rec'd
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:44 PM
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9. I'm with you....
....the Super Delegates need end this primary TOMORROW before hillary gets someone hurt....this is crazy talk....
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:21 PM
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4. I attended the Obama rally today in Sunrise, FL. He said that Clinton has run a fierce campaign
and should be respected for her efforts. He was very gracious about it. That was around 5pm.


And when I got home, THIS was all over the news.


This is absolutely the end of her campaign. The superdelegates must declare NOW, and end this.


If any one of the thousands of people at that rally this afternoon had said what Hillary Clinton said today, that person would be wrestled to the ground by the Secret Service, tasered and thrown in jail.


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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:40 PM
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8. Your last paragraph nails it.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:25 PM
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5. And no chance in a million for V.P.
Whatever vague chances of that up until this very day..... gone. Waaay gone.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:03 PM
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11. She is being revealed for what she is
She was Bill's political protege, got taken seriously because of what he did. Now we see her as she is, not a serious candidate, but a grotesque caricature of one. No real politician would say what she has said. Only someone who is playing politician after being close to someone who really was one. Time for the games to end. Time for her to go away from the scene and not come back ever.
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