Who the fuck is RFK, Jr.

[lwcon]

... to ruin the media's fun this weekend and acknowledge that Hillary's comments about his father were in no way offensive!?

Everyone wanted a witchburning, and that bastard opens his yap and ruins the good, clean fun!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/rfk-jr-says-no.html

“It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.”

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[JI7]

1. a guy that really wants a Senate Seat

[Swamp Rat]

2. It is his when he is ready.

Hillary's political career is coming to an end.

[BlueStater]

11. Maybe in your fantasy world

Hillary will be in the senate as long as she wants to. No one is going to force her out.

[Liberal Gramma]

16. The voters might.

[BlueStater]

I very much doubt it

I've got news for you: most people in the real world don't hate Hillary as much as some the over-the-top drama queens here do.

[dchill]

26. Ha. Maybe not yet.

I smell toast. And I'm a drama KING!

[BlueStater]

29. I smell something but it's not toast. n/t

[dchill]

34. Tune in tomorrow...

When the beans wear off. It's toast.

[dansolo]

62. She is going to face a primary challenge

Can she win that with 8% of the AA vote? (If she gets even that now)

[Exilednight]

67. New York isn't the real world, and I'm seeing Democratic groups already forming to push her out ....

in four years when her Senate seat goes up for reelection. She may, or may not, retain her Senate seat, but either way she is going to have to fight for it.

[mamalone]

70. Well, I'm from NY...

and while I certainly do not hate her, I'll do whatever I need to do to ensure that she doesn't represent me ever again. I think it is significant that I know virtually no one in RL who still supports her. The gal who cuts my son's hair was still in her camp last I talked to her, but that was several weeks ago so who knows if even she still does.


That reminds me.... the boy needs a haircut:)

[JVS]

76. It's not like she has roots there. She carpet-bagged her way into the senate seat, and her...

antagonistic attitude toward black voters and liberals could cost her the seat. NY is not KY

[Iceburg]

64. Funny ...I thought you Obama folk didn't care about the voters or votes?/nt

[Swamp Rat]

21. "Hillary will be in the senate as long as she wants to." - This is not 18th C England.

Wrong country, wrong era.

[mamalone]

72. Yeah... I hate that meme too...

Spoken usually by someone who has never even set foot in NY:eyes: I have news for you... us NY'ers get to decide how long she has that seat, and right now things don't look so pretty for her up here.

[curious one]

43. No, voters can decide, yes they can!

[book_worm]

79. unless it's democratic party primary voters

[baldguy]

5. Not just any seat, either.

[rug]

6. And you believe he'd dance on his father's grave to get it, don't you?

[JI7]

17. he has been getting nasty with his own family

for supporting Obama. i think he is taking it too personally and views it as them not being supportive of him getting the Senate seat.

[rug]

22. Therefore he'd exploit his father's assassination? Now how could I miss that?

[JI7]

27. he isn't exploiting anything, he admits not even reading or hearing what Hillary said

all he is thinking about is the Senate Seat and defends her without even listening to what she said and is being criticized for.

it's probably intentional on his part because he wouldn't be able to defend her if he heard her.

[rug]

33. That's crap. It takes all of 8 seconds to learn what she said.

If you honestly believe all he is thinking about is the Senate seat, you need to step away from GDP until your head clears.

We don't need to speculate on what he would say because he already said it.

[JI7]

35. and he said he doesn't know what she said

[rug]

37. He said he'd heard it before.

[dchill]

36. "You need to step away from GDP until your head clears."

RBAY.

[MyNameGoesHere]

58. Oh there is another person that believes

politicians don't hear or see anything so they can't make a decision about it. Don't you know that that is a lie by now? Of course he heard about it.

[Xipe Totec]

7. Now you're casting aspersions on a Kennedy?

this is rich.

[Swamp Rat]

24. What were you doing on June 6th, 1968?

[BOHICA06]

38. Wondering what type of name was Sirhan Sirhan.

To the under 45 crowd, Hillary's comments mean nothing. If they are upset, it is feigned emotion.

[Swamp Rat]

44. I know

I was responding to a familiar poster who plays video games in lieu of creating art, music, etc.

They have no concept and are apparently not willing to learn. Too much lead poisoning from handling game controllers? :shrug:

[liberalcommontater]

25. Educate yourself...he is an environmental lawyer.

[hokies4ever]

77. Ain't that the truth!

Not exactly the least biased Kennedy on this issue. I want to know if he supports forcing Obama to take Hillary as V.P. .

[Renew Deal]

3. And you called Obama's supporters cultists.

[lwcon]

18. And you reminded me of why n/t

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[ShortnFiery]

4. Robert Kennedy, Jr. may be employing the psychological defense mechanisms ...

of "Repression" and "Intellectualization." RFK, Jr. is NOT READY to permit himself to believe that HRC is THAT conniving. It's what we all (even geniuses) do from time to time: employ psychological defense mechanisms. However, with time, he will distance himself from her. Many of HRCs staunch supporters WILL NOT process the facts and fall-out of her deplorable behavior.

I understand because I didn't want to believe it either. No joke, I adored HRC during the 1990s. I lived in the Officer Housing section of a military base and constantly defended HRC against the most VILE attacks. When we would drive by the WH, I'd quip to my toddler daughter, "Look honey, that's where the President lives with her husband 'Bill.'"

BUT after researching their past behavior, I have to conclude that the Clintons are, in the least "bigots," in that, they've played WEDGE politics during their entire political career.

Please TRY to process the fact that Bill and Hillary Clinton are NOT people of sound moral character?

NO, we should not hate the Clintons, but it's time for our beloved country to MOVE BEYOND the politics of division.

[rug]

9. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[ShortnFiery]

15. NO. Not this time. Her remarks were so blatantly DARK, RFK, Jr. will distance himself with time

from all things Clinton. :shrug:

[CaptJasHook]

Wow, that was great. I wish I could recommend your response.

Restrained, rational and concise.

[ShortnFiery]

42. Thank you kindly.

All those years in college earning my bachelors and masters degrees in Psychology were worth it! ;)

Again, sincere thanks for your positive review. :hi:

[Swamp Rat]

45. Spot on!

I gave up defending the Clintons the past couple of months.

Now I want them out of politics for good.

[avedon]

57. Axelrod's work is done.

That was the point - destroy the Clintons with lies and innuendo.

I don't even like the Clintons. Never did.

But Democrats and even independents knew the press was lying about them, and that the Republicans were lying about them, after the impeachment.

Ah, but now they're evil because they didn't fold their tent after Iowa.

Everything Hillary says or does is evil. Bill Clinton was illegitimate because he wasn't supposed to win against a Republican, and Hillary is illegitimate because she continued to run against Obama after the press declared her dead after Iowa. It's unforgiveable.

My god you people are suckers.

[dansolo]

63. Actually now Democrats know that the Republicans were telling the truth

Hillary has hurt her own legacy, and a lot of people who defended her and Bill in the 90's are just disgusted with them both now.

[saracat]

55. Wow. You analyze people you don't know just like Dr. Frist diagnoses

patients that he never met! You have a lot of nerve. I Know RFK JR and I do not agree with you at all. He has no need at all to engage in any"psychological defense mechanisms". He meant what he said.

[saltpoint]

8. RFK Jr, very much like his father, is a breath-takingly dedicated and

sincere man.

Among his many cherished issues for which he has sacrificed a very significant amount of time, is the Environment.

He is a New York State resident and one of its most prominent and influential activists, and among his many gifts is that he (again, like his father) speaks for those who are not heard, including not only human beings but living things which have no political voice unless he and others rise to be their advocate.

The Hudson River, for example.

Meaningful reforms and the political clout to enact them often go through the offices of U.S. Senators.

[anonymous171]

10. Uh, that's not the point and is typical of Clintonian deflection.

The person who she should be apologizing to is Barack Obama, not the Kennedy family.

[StevieM]

51. Se owes no apology to Senator Obama, she did not in any way suggest he would be assasinated (eom)

[grassfed]

12. He was on the phone in his car and hadn't seen the video. Her intent was obvious

whether he reacts or not.

[tranche]

13. I don't think his comment has much bearing here.

Hillary didn't say that a dead RFK Jr. was her path to the nomination. She needs to come crawling tomorrow with a sincere apology.

[apocalypsehow]

14. Yet another HRC booster fond of logical fallacies.

RFK Jr.'s opinion on HRC's vile remarks is just that: his opinion. This silly "appeal to authority" is simply an attempt to get the conversation off your Queen's despicable remarks. It's not going to work.

[KittyWampus]

19. And how fucked up is it that Hillary trots out RFK Jr. to spin for her?

[ecstatic]

78. Disgusting. I'm betting that over 100 voicemails were left

urging and begging him to make a statement. The guy was forced into it. I'm sure he feels pretty disgusting now after seeing how he was used. Notice none of the other Kennedys have come forward...

[stillcool]

20. She has invoked the 1968 "catastrophic event"

before, albeit not using the word "assassination". I really don't understand why anyone is surprised by this. I think RFK Jr.'s comments are appropriate. I doubt any of the Kennedy's will express outrage by Hillary's comments. That however, makes her strategy for winning the nomination no less appalling. It is not about the Kennedy's. It is about Hillary.

[DemGa]

23. Now maybe Hillary's attackers will crawl back under a rock?

One can hope.

[highplainsdem]

They seem to be having too much fun throwing RFK Jr. under the bus.

[SeaLyons]

31. The supporters of Hope, Change and Unity...what a joke...

they need to crawl under a rock.

[emilyg]

52. Amen.

[Whisp]

28. I love rfk jr

always will.
he's allowed his errors in judgement onct a while, as everyone else should be.

[MethuenProgressive]

30. What was that Bump?!? It was RFK Jr thrown under the ObamaBus!

The silliness of the Obama Camp is killing our Party.

[QC]

32. Oh well, I guess it's RFK, Jr's turn to get thrown under the Hopemobile.

It sure is getting crowded down here!

[lwcon]

46. It certainly is

At least he has plenty of company, including Baby Boomers, partisan Democrats, Reagan-haters, feminists, "chablis-drinking limousine liberals," and Rev. Wright.

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[QC]

48. Don't forget the homos--we were first down here, when he needed the bigot vote in SC. n/t

[Blondiegrrl]

39. ... except her remark wasn't directed at the Kennedys. It was directed at Obama.

She should be apologizing to the Obamas.

[DemVet]

75. Nope...no apology is necessary...she was merely stating HISTORY...not a desire.

[ProgressIn2008]

40. Hee... Lwcon, I think I have a crush on you. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

41. The comments weren't aimed at him, so how can he absolve her of them?

Plus he hasn't even seen or heard the video yet.

[JTFrog]

47. Mr. Kennedy said he has been traveling and had not seen the video or read Mrs. Clinton’s comments,

but said his support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.

[Kablooie]

49. Sounds like a rich white boy talking not someone who must be wary of the real world.

[Raejeanowl]

50. Didn't You Know?

The only relevant Kennedys are the ones supporting Obama...not RFK's teenage namesake who was upstairs in the Ambassador Hotel watching his father be assassinated on television...what the hell does HE know? Frickin' poser.

Having been an impressionable and passionate young person at the time of "the big three" of our most infamous 1960s assassinations, and extremely upset by all of them, (as I suspect many DUers were not), I personally don't like to even hear those tragedies mentioned in the context of a political campaign.

I think this is just a totally tasteless, insensitive remark on Clinton's part, and as a supporter of hers I wish to hell she hadn't said it. "Anything can happen" might have sufficed. I don't apologize for her on that count.

However, she's said it more than once and only NOW THE OUTRAGE FLOWS on Obama's behalf. Just scrounging for new ways to diss her. Like Obama himself (or Clinton or McCain or any candidate who has some negative constituency-and they ALL do) doesn't know that this particular monster is already in the living room. Hell, you don't even need that-just a mentally deranged fan-ask John Lennon.

But what do I know? I'm only someone who cried for days when Dr. King and Bobby (and John) were murdered. I'd cry if it happened to Barack, too. And I don't believe for one moment that Hillary looks forward eagerly to his literal demise, which is the REAL sickness of what's being implied.

[5thGenDemocrat]

53. He's Bobby Sr's son and a well-known heroin aficionado

Another rich bum who's had life's skids greased because of a famous name. Kind of like History Clinton.
John
I prefer people who started with nothing and rose to the top through merit, intelligence and hard work. So I'm standing by Obama.

[charlie]

56. Whoa!

5thGen! You haven't been around. Or have you?

In any case, it's really good to see you again :hi:

[lumberjack_jeff]

82. "Standing by Obama"? We gathered as much when you called RFK jr a junkie. n/t

[Writer]

54. Are you all still talking about this?

Geesh! I was busy watching a fun yet nauseating installment of Indiana Jones.

But I'm glad RFK spoke out about this.

~Writer~

[susankh4]

59. Alot of nerve that boy has.

Endorsing Hillary. And standing by her all this time.

[Why Syzygy]

60. Obama said the same thing. So?

It sure gets gassy in here, doesn't it?

[Imagevision]

61. RFK jr. supports Hillary - Ethel Kennedy his mom, supports Obama...

[lynne]

65. RFK Jr is a voice of reason in this alter Obama universe -

- finally, someone who can understand a simple statement without twisting it to somehow apply in a negative fashion to Obama!

[Imagevision]

68. RFK Jr is a voice of opinion....nothing more.

[lynne]

71. Of course, that's your opinion. He sounds like the most sane person on the planet to me.

[Exilednight]

73. I sure as hell hope you do not make your living in the mental health industry. n/t

[Skidmore]

66. Apparently all the Kennedys did not agree with RFK Jr...the host on Washington Journal

just read an article from a paper that reported that the Kennedy family in general is furious with Hillary's "gaffe" and that Charlie Rangel made a statement saying it was the "dumbest thing she could have said."

If someone else heard this on WJ, could you please supply the name of the newspaper carrying this article. I missed it. Sorry, washer kicked over into spin cycle when the newspaper was being referenced.

[Exilednight]

69. Exactly!! Who the fuck is RFK Jr? He's a running joke that wishes he had the influence that .......

his father and uncle once wielded. He's nothing more than a wannabe who wears his jealousy on his sleeve.

[DemVet]

74. LOL...good post...and true!

[gorekerrydreamticket]

80. I think RFK, Jr. would be a good Senator and hope he will run for his father's seat in 2012...

or sooner if the seat opens up due to death, serious illness, indictment or whatever...Cruel, heartless comment about the current Senator? No, not at all, just acknowledging the historical fact that Senators do not always serve out their terms due to various reasons...

[SoxFan]

81. Who hasn't rushed to Hillary's defense?

Ethel Kennedy
Joe Kennedy II
Rory Kennedy
Christopher Kennedy
Max Kennedy
Courtney Kennedy Hill
Ted Kennedy
Victoria Reggie Kennedy
Patrick Kennedy
Ted Kennedy, Jr.
Caroline Kennedy
Maria Shriver
Eunice Kennedy Shriver
Jean Kennedy Smith
Ted Sorensen
Harris Wofford