This is exactly like that Kerry "gaffe" when it was thought he called the troops stupid

[Starwars Hillary]

before the 06 Congressional midterms.

John Kerry: "Education, if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Keith Olbermann: "The White House response: It's either too stupid to realize John Kerry referred to President Bush and not the troops, or it's too sharp not to try to turn it into more false flag-waving."

Precisely. All the Republicans had to do then was follow the context and stop wanting to hear what wasn't there, and it made perfect sense. What was actually meant became crystal clear. But of course, they didn't care, even when it was clarified. They were intent on demonization, in the pursuit of victory, not unlike the arsonist cable media (KO today) and the Obama supporter who wants so badly to believe the worst of Hillary. That you may think Hillary did that to you does not excuse you doing it to this degree to Hillary. Both sides have done it with "Bitter" and "Fairy tale is racist", but this is beyond the pale of acceptable overreaction. This is calling a democratic icon "blood-thirsty". This is Vince Foster level swiftvetting.

As well, the "she said it before" meme is meaningless because if you read her earlier statements, they were almost verbatim to today's remark. AND NOBODY CARED because then they understood what she was talking about, as RFKjr did today. And those remarks actually better clarified her emphasis on the month of JUNE. It was a talking point, it was her response to the contravening talking point of "get out of the race or the party can't unite". She crafted a response to explain that primaries DO in fact go to June. Today, she was making a fairly obvious case about JUNE and June alone, not anything particularly related to the assassination other than using it as a historical marker. It was just context to alert people to the fact that the 68 primary indeed went to June. As in "remember that famously tragic primary, that went to June".

If you are going to attribute the most malicious imputation to her quote - why not do the same thing when Obama said: Israel was a "constant wound... a constant sore..." that serves to "infect all of our foreign policy". OMG, Obama says the jews are herpes!

You know why you don't - even though it was awkward wording - because an intelligent person ought to be able to grasp intent and context quite competently. If you can't do that, you might as well be a Republican, because they intentionally misconstrue as a family value. We are swiftvetting ourselves now. If we don't stop, they've won that permanent majority they've dreamed about, because they've turned us into facsimiles of them. We've learned that in order to win something, we have to act just like them. From the 3AM ad to the squashing of the vote in FL and MI. The 2006 Democratic Congress victory night vs the 2008 Democratic Primary, practically all the way through, couldn't evince a greater dichotomy, or a greater disunity, and it's all our fault, both sides. As if we should have 2 sides pitted against one another. That's a tragedy, that right there. We are either being too stupid to notice, or too sharp to care.

[anonymous171]

1. The difference is that Obama isn't pushing this.

[Starwars Hillary]

26. Hillary didn't push Kerry's quote either

She made a public statement not unlike Obama did today before it was clarified.

The Obama press IS however pushing it, which is the same thing as Republican radio pushing the Kerry quote well after it was explained. They know what she meant, most Obama supporters do, too many don't care.

[anonymous171]

27. The "Obama press"? You mean the same press that pushed Rev. Wright 24/7?

That Obama Press?

[Muttocracy]

34. the OP described it over on this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6104113

[Leopolds Ghost]

35. Shouldn't WE be pushing Hagee 24/7? The fact that McCain would even tolerate someone who hates NOLA

And New Yorkers, And then say attacking Israel is a bridge too far,
is implicitly not rejecting and denouncing Hagees earlier comments.

McCain even said maybe the hard hit areas of New Orleans should be
bulldozed.

[chill_wind]

55. And by tomorow that is all forgotten. HRC pretty well erased that from this Sunday's talk shows.

McCain's having a three day party.

[Starwars Hillary]

44. "Greatest race speech since the Gettysburg Address!

Now shut up about it because you don't understand race!". That was how the media defended Obama. Fox had pushed the story for months and the media didn't care to vet Obama.

The second time around - Wright had to give 2 cartoonish press conferences in a row, saying the exact same things as before, for it to turn sour. 2 days later Obama was saved again with "best divorce ever!", a complete contradiction of everything Obama said in his race speech. Post-Racial became Post-Marriage and nobody in the Obama blogs blinked an eye over the course reversal, they lauded it instead.

[anonymous171]

45. You went from concern troll to just plain troll.

[Starwars Hillary]

49. I tried to care, but I read the responses - they were virtually all trolls

themselves.

[Kool Kitty]

51. "FOX pushed the story..."

Well, shit-let's all watch FOX. Everyone knows they are so fair and balanced.

[Starwars Hillary]

60. Which proves the claim of the pro Obama media,. Btw - was the Wright story false?

No, see Obama's disownment and Wright's 2 lovely press conferences.

[Kool Kitty]

62. Well, goodness-

what would be the proper news to watch? MSNBC is bad, FOX is bad. What is the right one?

[Starwars Hillary]

68. There is no right one

You see what you see, hear what you hear, and then think for yourself. As I do.

[Kool Kitty]

69. That's what I do, too.

Think for myself. Watch, read, think.

[VolcanoJen]

73. Mmmm... pizza.

Where's Hillary's Race Speech? Does she even care for that constituency? Does she have nothing to say on the matter, or is she too concerned about Michigan and Florida and Bobby Kennedy and the Junes of Past to give a crap about uniting this nation?

Thirty minutes or less... or it's FREE.

[ErinBerin84]

2. yes, I remember Hillary's great defense of Kerry's jokes......

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

6. you're right, Hillary sided with the repigs against Kerry on that one

She sounded just like one of them.

good point!

[slinkerwink]

13. I think she jumped on Kerry for that remark

[Starwars Hillary]

17. Hillary said" "What Senator Kerry said was inappropriate"

"and I believe we can't let it divert us from looking at the issues that are at stake in our country." Which is very close to what Obama said today. As well Hillary later today said the same thing about HERSELF.

As well, Tester and Ford said similar things as did many democrats, until it was better clarified and Kerry apologized for any ill intent, and THEN it was put to rest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13018908/

It was a misunderstanding, pure and simple. Nobody believes he was attacking the troops, nobody. Those who kept on believing it did so intentionally.

[Mass]

95. So, she should never have proposed he apologized. Nobody here believes he was bashing the troops

So, why did she act as if he was?

[slinkerwink]

15. Ah, here it is, from the New York Times

Then, in October 2006, when Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Kerry were both considering presidential bids in 2008, she inflicted damage on him by labeling as “inappropriate” the joke that Mr. Kerry had told at the height of the campaign season. Mr. Kerry, deviating from his prepared remarks, had suggested that students who did not work hard could “get stuck in Iraq.”

link: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/us/politics/06web-healy.html

[sandnsea]

3. No it's the exact opposite of that joke

Because Kerry had made the joke many times and it was clear it was directed at Bush.

Hillary has made the assassination comment a few times, and it's clear her campaign in 2008 has nothing in common with the 1968 campaign, so why in the hell does she keep bringing it up.

[Starwars Hillary]

85. She's talking about late primaries, that's why - in response to "get out of the race"

She cited the same example many times before and everybody knew what she was talking about then.

[Mass]

96. She did not trip on her word. She said exactly what she wanted to say.

and there is no way to spin that well. Even if she is not suggesting that somebody kills Obama, she is suggesting that somebody could, and it is bad enough.

Sorry, nothing to do with the other thing. It is shameless to even suggest that, but I understand that she does because it is her only rational. If something happened to him, she could win!

[PoliticalAmazon]

105. Yes, we all know what she is talking about: She's prompting assassination...

from the bigots she pandered to so successfully that they are now quite proudly acting out their bigotry, and bragging about it to the TV cameras.

We get it. A brick house doesn't have to fall on us.

Why is the Democratic Party not standing up against this? Do the Dems now advocate assassination as a campaign strategy?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

4. you mean Kerry brought up the assassination of his democratic opponent?

is that what you mean, or are you making up some lame excuse
for Hillary, poor ole hillary.

[Muttocracy]

5. finally able to make your own posts? how long are you going to stick around? nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

7. shouldnt they have to make more than 16 posts before they can start a thread?

Didn't DU used to require something like 500 posts first?

[Muttocracy]

10. I don't know, but I saw this one causing trouble on another thread and could see this coming. nt

[musicblind]

38. And by causing trouble, you mean disagreeing? or Actually cause trouble?

because if he is stating an alternate view point to yours... that wouldn't be causing trouble... it would be an attempt to start a conversation over a particular political issue. The purpose of this forum.

[msallied]

12. I think it was 50 or 100 when I joined...

[slinkerwink]

8. It's not politically smart to cite an assassination as the reason for staying in

[Starwars Hillary]

29. Good thing she didn't! It's not smart to rag on the intelligence of the troops

Which Kerry didn't either.

[slinkerwink]

102. Uh, she did. It's on tape.

[blm]

108. Hillary KNEW Kerry would never insult the troops but she sided with Bush ANYWAY

Or did you conveniently FORGET that part of Hillary's CHARACTER - or rather - LACK OF CHARACTER.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

And it wasn't the first time Clintons knifed good, honest Democrats in the back - ESPECIALLY Kerry.


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[ampad]

9. What comes around goes around

Do you expect Kerry to stand with Hillary on this after she sided with repigs in calling Kerry's remark "unfortunate" You hear that? Yup no one (as of today) has come to her defense besides her paid surrogates and I suspect that no one will come to her defense. Karma is a bitch.

[Starwars Hillary]

31. Well, then all this lying about what she said will "come around"

against those fanning the flames of this bogus outrage.

[msallied]

11. Wow. More logical fallacies from the Gimme HRC or Gimme Death Cult.

[nsd]

14. Yeah, it's a lot like when Kerry made that joke.

But of course Hillary Clinton joined right in with the Repukes in slamming Kerry for it.

She saw him as a potential 2008 rival and had no compunction about exploiting his mistake, fairness be damned. So why does she deserve better treatment now?

[Starwars Hillary]

36. Obama joined in against Hillary today!

He is thus the same as the "repukes"?

Hillary issued 1 statement until it was clarified, like MANY dems.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13018908/

[nsd]

46. No he didn't!

Here (link) is David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist, saying that he doesn't think Hillary meant it the way people were suggesting and that the Obama campaign wouldn't engage in such extraneous debates. He's not talking the bait.

Obama's team has responded with far more class than Wolfson/Davis/Penn (or Clinton herself) would have.

[Starwars Hillary]

59. Obama's ORIGINAL campaign statement was nearly identical to the statement Hillary gave re Kerry

Hillary begged off after it was clarified.

Axelrod has begged off for 3 reasons:

1. Obama play acts as if he is "above the fray". It's his MO.

2. It's obviously not what she meant.

3. He can be above the fray so long as the media is the dirty arm of his political machine, which it has been all campaign long. See MSNBC, esp KO.

How do they know they can do this? LOOK AT THIS BOARD. Axelrod tells you that she didn't mean it, he, outside of Obama, is the voice of Obama's campaign, and NO OBAMA SUPPORTER CARES. They are drooling over blogs feeding their psychosis over this bogus firestorm. Those blogs exist, they are prodded and prodding.

I am absolutely right about this. All of this. Take a look at what is going on right now, this is the MEDIA BIAS of the campain driven home in sharp relief. This is everything every Hillary supporter talks about when they describe her as unfairly treated.

[Kool Kitty]

53. No, actually he didn't.

Maybe it wasn't reported on FOX?

[Starwars Hillary]

61. I saw it on MSNBC, see "no place in this campaign".

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," - the Obama campaign.

That implies she meant what was misconstrued. Axelrod later changed tactics for all the reasons I cited above.

Btw - MSNBC has no place in this campaign.

[ErinBerin84]

63. yeah, and as soon as she apologized,

the campaign made it clear that they were giving her the benefit of the doubt. They shouldn't have.

[Starwars Hillary]

70. Why? Was the Obama campaign lying about her not meaning what she said?

I think they know she didn't mean it, but I also think they don't care. They want the media to attack her rather than the Obama campaign doing it themselves, and they know the media, ever in their hip pocket, will.

The media will do their swiftvetting. They rely on that.

[Kool Kitty]

64. MSNBC has no place in this campaign?

Uh, okay. We should get our news where, then?

[Starwars Hillary]

72. From me

Try out me.

[Kool Kitty]

75. Huh?

Try out you?

[Starwars Hillary]

86. As a source of truth

Don't misconstrue nothin!

[Kool Kitty]

100. You-a source of truth.

Please.

[napi21]

16. I'm tired of people having to be politically correct! Hillary was not saying

anything different from what we've all read here on DU for a year or more! I voted for Barack on Super Tuesday, but I think everybody is retting crazy over her comments today. She quoted history. We don't like that part of our history, but that doesn't make it go away. There's a reason why Barack was the first candidate to request SS protection. His life was threatened! We all say we want our candidates to be open & honest, and say what they're thinking, but when they do, we crucify them!

[jillan]

18. Finally - a great post from an Obama supporter.

whew :)

[Muttocracy]

19. it's one thing to be concerned about Obama; another to stay in the race in case he dies. nt

[napi21]

25. OR something like the Elliot Spitzer story comes out, or some

nutsy story like happened to Gary Hart. You people are reading stuff into Hillary's comments that are just not there!

I don't live in NY, but I doubt there was any greater supporter of Spitzer than I was! He was going after everyone I detested and I loved it! I was very hurt by his stupidity! But that kind of stuff happens.

[Kool Kitty]

57. It was a stupid statement.

Or a poorly-worded one.

[Starwars Hillary]

88. It wasn't either. Why did nobody care about her earlier statements

where she said the same thing.

This is a great question.

[Starwars Hillary]

87. Hillary never said that though. Not even close. Just like Kerry didn't call the troops stupid

She was giving examples of late primaries, and Kerry was bashing Bush.

[Starwars Hillary]

21. That was not even her intent

It was just historical context to remind you of the 68 primary going to June.

[ErinBerin84]

33. honestly, her political context is starting to sketch me out.

Florida = Zimbabwe?

[anonymous171]

22. Remember Bittergate?

Obama was accurately, albeit ineloquently, describing how Republicans fuck over the rural areas with wedge issues. Hillary joined in with media, called Obama "Elitist and out-of-touch" and made the entire thing one huge spectacle.

Summary: Karma's a bitch. A big fucking bitch.

[Starwars Hillary]

37. Obama wasn't misinterpreted. He meant what he said, see "just tellin the truth"

Thus - stereotyping people behind their back is a bitch. A big fucking bitch.

Lying ABOUT the entire meaning of what was said is completely different.

See the example of "Israel infecting our foreign policy".

[ErinBerin84]

40. Obama's problem is overestimating people, actually

Hillary thinks we're all fucking retarded. I don't really care if that's offensive. I feel like she thinks people aren't paying attention. I feel like I'm 4 years old when she talks to me. I think it was an awkward gaffe, but one that's on a different level from Kerry because Hillary has had a knack throughout this whole campaign of making really shitty historical analogies.

[anonymous171]

43. Correct. He has too much confidence in the intelligence of America.

Hillary has too little.

[Starwars Hillary]

47. Then he might want to stereotype people to their faces

instead of hiding in a SF mansion. He made that comment not to courageously tell the truth, but as a rationale to beg for donations. He was explaining why he couldn't win the Hillary vote - as in - they have an unreachable redstate commonness.

If he really believed in the intelligence of Americans, then he wouldn't have parsed his words and omitted parts of the original quote in explaining himself later.

Btw - why wasn't Hillary's "white voter" comment "just telling the truth"? Why wasn't today's RFK quote, even in its grossly contorted meaning, "just tellin the truth"?

The double standards abound.

[anonymous171]

50. She said HARD WORKING white voter. "Hard Working" is not a demographic.

And Obama never attacked Hillary on that gaffe either, nor on any of her other gaffes (although his campaign did attempt a half-assed attack on snipergate, but it wasn't effective.)

[Starwars Hillary]

52. That wasn't a gaffe either

She cited the words of every media pundit on the planet who looked at an exit poll from Iowa to Indiana. She quoted an AP article no less.

Besides, Obama has pandered plenty to the AA vote.

[nsd]

No, it wasn't a gaffe.

It was worse: it was a calculated attempt to deepen racial division and paint her opponent as the unelectable black candidate.

[Starwars Hillary]

65. Exit polls = the KKK, AP = KKK (why did the KKK media break this story today!)

That's odd. When every single pundit on earth talks about the white and black vote when they pour over those exit polls, they must be making calculated attempts to deepen racial division.

Moreover, when the Obama campaign said "a pattern is emerging" over benign commments like "fairy tale", that was EXACTLY what they were doing. Barack and Michelle have routinely talked about the AA vote, and pandered directly to it during events, but I don't call that racist. That would be the very definition of playing the race card if I did. Simply using the word "white" in front of "voter" is called the "english language".

[anonymous171]

56. Are there two sperate check boxes for "Lazy white" and "Hard working white" ?

Because I thought they sorted the data by income, not the amount of work done.

[Starwars Hillary]

90. "Working class" and "hard working" means blue collar and average to low income, and you know that

They are buzzwords that have been used for decades to gloss over income deficiencies. Hillary did not make them up, but she sure gets blamed for it. If she has that kind of influence on Americana, heck, she should be president.

[ErinBerin84]

54. spare me.

Obama got skewered because he couldn't come up with a better thesis for What's the Matter With Kansas to a group of rich people at a private fundraiser who have probably all read What's the Matter With Kansas. And let me guess, you have't even seen Obama's full remarks at the fundraiser following what he said that got replayed either. Hillary Clinton continues to make strange remarks to the public and the more she tries to explain away the remarks, the less sense she makes. Honestly, I don't really find the RFK quote shocking and I am not outraged, because it just fits so neatly within the pattern of strange references she tries to pull over on the public THAT DON'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. Nothing really shocks me any more, though I have to admit again, the Florida = Zimbabwe comparison freaked me out.

[Kool Kitty]

58. I agree with you about the Florida=Zimbabwe comparison.

Actually, that whole speech was bizarre in its reach or scope or whatever it's called.

[Starwars Hillary]

66. FL = Zimbabwe means we do stupid shit like Zimbabwe does

like blocking our vote. How is that hard to understand. Oh wait, they're black, she was obviously being racist. As obviously racist as she was being bloodthirsty today. Damn her to hell.

Obama got skewered because he talks of unity but then derides people behind their backs in the company of those who would most embrace that derision. A transcendent change candidate would re-devise the thesis for What's The Matter With Kansas IN FRONT OF KANSAS, if at all, not SF.

If you don't find the RFK quote shocking, then "spare me" with this notion of a "pattern of strange references". You go down the same path as "a pattern is emerging" over strange references like "fairy tale". It's only strange if you desperately want it to be.

I should be able to connect the dots of "strange associations" with Ayers, Wright, Farakhan, Hamas, etc. But I don't, because I will be told I am throwing the kitchen sink at Obama like a Rove-bot. Obama has said and done several "strange things" (Sweetie, 57 states, typical white person) but it is always intellectualized into something grand, as in "revising the thesis for What's The Matter With Kansas", or he is just exhibiting "post racialism". Academic guff, always to his rescue.

[ErinBerin84]

71. notice that I did not use

The fairy tale, as that was not an analogy . I agree that the fairy tale thing should not have been used as an example of a racially insensitive remark. That's bullshit. If anything, if fit in with Bill Clinton's inability to tell the truth, this time, about Obama's position on Iraq. And again, the Zimbabwe reference wasn't racist, IT WAS MOTHERFUCKING INSANE! If you look at the historical analogies that Hillary Clinton has attempted to make over the course of this campaign, you will see that they make no sense. No surprise here that you actually defend the FL = Zimbabwe analogie. Because she couldn't have just used her bogus Florida Recount analogy, she has to talk about the "tragic" Zimbabwe election. Obama essentially said the same thing that he said at the "SF fundraiser" on Charlie Rose a couple of years before, albeit in a more eloquent manner, so he for all intense purposes did say it in front of Kansas. And in fact, he did use the fact that the Republicans exploit economic issues so that people vote on issues like abortion and gun control on the campaign trail. And again, I'm assuming that you did not see the read/hear the comments that Obama made directly following the "cling to" remarks at the fundraiser, since you ignored my question.


Clinton jumped on Obama's bitter gaffe, while the Obama campaign called hers unfortunate but ultimately gave her the benefit of the doubt. I doubt that Howard Wolfson would have been so generous. And no, I don't think that Clinton meant that she is staying in the race because Obama might be asassinated. But it was a stupid way to put it, just like it was a stupid way for Obama to put his remarks. For someone with Clinton's 35 years of experience, she shouldn't claim that her polital savvy will prevent her from making novice mistake in the general election, attack someone for making stupid remarks, and then expect that her remarks will be immune to scrutiny for their sheer tone deafness.

[Starwars Hillary]

76. I have no problem with "Zimbabwe" at all

It's illustrative of the depths to which our democratic process has fallen. To third world levels. It's an exaggeration, sure, but not unlike comparing Gitmo to Gulags - it's for effect. Or like Obama comparing Israel's impact on our foreign policy to a sore or an infection. Politicians do that shit all the time, it's called bombast, it's about as frequent as kissing a baby or shaking hands with fat guys in a diner. Like "the republicans, not the democrats, had the good ideas". THAT'S fucking insane! Charlie Rose is no excuse. THAT is SF on television. Honestly, he should have paraded around the US with that thesis, and guess what, he'd have been drummed out of the primary race in a week. That is why he reserved it for SF. Moreover, fairy tale was the truth. Once in office, when actually representing a federal faculty, he voted with the Administration as did Hillary. Obama's judgment is not immaculate. See Rev Wright and his original gas tax position.

I don't care WHAT Obama said in SF, I don't disagree with it. The point was that he said it in SF rather than to the "bitter" people directly, because the people he was trying to unite WOULD DISAGREE with it. True courage would be saying it to their face. Charlie Rose is not their face, Obama damn well knows that. As well, he then completely lied when he had a chance to reinforce what he said. His surrogates routinely sliced the quote off at the word "bitter" (ignoring the rest of Obama's transcript), as if Obama merely said "they are bitter". He then combined what he said into the appealing phrase "wedge issue" so as not to de-construct what he said (as he was happy to do in SF), and he blamed their bitterness on Bush, and then, ludicrously, the Clintons. They "clung" to those values long before Bush and Clinton, so that is FUCKING INSANE.

The truth is, it is not economic bitterness which informs values, it's simply culture. Raw culture. The Republicans manipulated division, that sense of cultural separation which unites people, very well. What's The Matter With Kansas is that people are prone to unite behind cultural identity, especially when it is presumed to be under attack, because that kind of charged, ignited moral unity provides meaning to life, whereas the pocketbook does not. People who have natural barriers to wealth, and know it, will not vote for unions, they will vote against abortion, because that offers them moral wealth, and something they can achieve. The republicans understood that, and played it like a violin, and they did so like authoritarian puppeteers, well detached from their base. That was one of their "good ideas", I gather. Obama proved their point by offending these people, and thus he united them against him, and with Hillary. As well, nobody was fucking bitter under Clinton. That's a complete fucking lie. Obama has lied about the Clinton administration consistently. I was there, you were there, the 90s did not engender rampant bitterness. See Clinton's approval ratings.

It was a "stupid way to put it" because she did not compensate for the wrath of the bias against her. Notice how she said the very same thing several times before and nobody flinched. That is because her original meaning was obvious, so was her current meaning for that matter, she did not need to correct her words, just clarify them to people desperate to distort them. Obama, in "bitter", did not make stupid remarks, he meant what he said (and you defended what he said as proof of that). He would have never corrected his words if it had not been recorded, and he didn't later clarify them, he redacted half his meaning instead. Novice mistakes mean "meeting with Iran without diplomatic preconditions", not performing with inhuman perfection. Especially the impossible perfection of saying the same thing different times and having it misconstrued with radical variability. Sniper was a far greater error than this. She was lying to inflate herself, as Obama lied several times about his own life, as all politicians do, which doesn't make it a novice mistake. Wolfson has to "jump" on it himself because the media has generally refused to appropriately vet Obama. Obama has the benefit of using the media as his political toy, and defense mechanism. Today's "firestorm" is a perfect example of the rabid media imbalance.

[ErinBerin84]

77. media bias media bias media bias media bias

"As well, nobody was fucking bitter under Clinton. That's a complete fucking lie. Obama has lied about the Clinton administration consistently. I was there, you were there, the 90s did not engender rampant bitterness. See Clinton's approval ratings."speak for yourself. Nobody was fucking bitter under Clinton? The administration was NOT a fucking economic score for everyone. I don't really even think this is a "firestorm". Contrary to the conspiracy theories, Hillary has not had it especially hard over this primary season when it comes to the media.
It will probably blow over by the time the weekend is over. If Hillary has not learned how to navigate the media bias by now, then I really hope she learns if she is ever the general election candidate. Obama was at least able to learn from his phrasing of the "bitter-gate" to reframe the argument and turn it to reinvoke a populist theme in his stump speech. What the fuck does Hillary get out of this?

[Kool Kitty]

74. And Hillary is just so salt-of-the-earth, right?

She made a stupid mistake today. Does it deserve such outrage? Maybe not. But she sure has a ham-handed way of making her point.

[anonymous171]

41. Clinton is getting what she fucking deserves. I don't care if this is being blown out of proportion.

It's time she felt the sting of gaffes.

[Starwars Hillary]

91. It's not blown out of proportion, it has no freaking proportion at all, it's not a gaffe

It's just a flat out lie about what she meant. If it was a gaffe, she would have felt the "sting" when she said it before. Nobody cared then because they did not deliberately misinterpret what she said. Obama's bitter comment was "just tellin the truth", meaning he meant what he said. That was how it was framed.

[musicblind]

42. thank you for a rational post

though I don't personally believe that she was stating a desire to see Obama assasinated. I have heard reports that BEFORE this campaign her and Obama actually got along rather well.

Also, on Anderson Cooper he seemed to express that no one believes she meant to say this because everyone, including Hillary, knows that saying what some on DU are claiming would not help her in the least.

[Leopolds Ghost]

20. Maybe she was referring to herself as RFK who unexpectedly won in June. That is the most charitable

interpretation (of course, she IS one of those people who wilfully
attacked Kerry for a joke we all thought was hilarious during the
2004 campaign until he left a few words out of the joke.
Hmmmmmmmm.........

Like someone else said, bad karma when she did that...

[Starwars Hillary]

78. She didn't attack Kerry, she called it innapropriate and asked for an apology as many dems did

She put the same onus on HERSELF today.

Once it was actually clarified, and his meaning was explained, she and the rest of the dems did not pursue it.

[TexasObserver]

23. Nonsense, Ms. Sock Puppet

[Drunken Irishman]

89. Don't you love how this fool defends EVERY remark?

[Starwars Hillary]

92. I do it well, that's why

and you know it.

[Drunken Irishman]

106. Yes, you troll well.

Hillary Clinton could wish Obama dead and you'd justify her actions. Pathetic.

[Drunken Irishman]

107. haha and it appears this poster is no longer with us!

[anigbrowl]

24. Obama did not refer to Israel as a constant sore.

He referred to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Even Shmuel Rosner of Ha'aretz, no lover of Obama, dismissed this canard unequivocally. This, like all your arguments, is based on falsehood.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=983473&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1

[Starwars Hillary]

79. OH WOW - CONTEXT - and Hillary did not say "I'm waiting until he gets assassinated!"

There is no such thing as context though, so he did say it. How outrageous of Obama to say that!

RFKjr, btw, dismissed this canard unequivocally. My "falsehood" had a point. You nailed it. If you read the OP, you might not have nailed it though, because it was already nailed for you.

[havocmom]

28. get the renumeration in cash or money order

checks will bounce.

[Leopolds Ghost]

30. Ouch!!

:hi:

[havocmom]

48. too blunt? Happens when I am tired and there are too many servings of crap around here

But it comes from the gut and the gut is generally correct.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

32. JFC. Damn trolls are materializing out of nowhere spewing lies.

Link me to your BS quotes, if you can: "If you are going to attribute the most malicious imputation to her quote - why not do the same thing when Obama said: Israel was a "constant wound... a constant sore..." that serves to "infect all of our foreign policy". OMG, Obama says the jews are herpes!"

[Starwars Hillary]

81. Link me the quote "I am waiting until Obama gets assassinated"

I can't find it anywhere.

I can find it talked about everywhere on this board, but I don't find the actual quote anywhere.

[AuntPatsy]

39. Wow, are you Hillary? And by the way I agree with you..

I think its going to far.

[HuffleClaw]

67. of course it is

but faux outrage is the only thing some obama supporters are good at. wait till it bites 'em on the ass when the media turns on him. they'll FREAK.

[JI7]

80. Kerry messed up in his joke delivery, Hillary has repeatedly said what she did

there is no comparison.

[Starwars Hillary]

83. Why did nobody ever care before? Because her original meaning was obvious

as was this one. The repetition exonerates her, and it better clarifies what she was talking about throughout - late primaries, not "He could get whacked".

Please direct me to the freak out before. Same words, said it before, just like you said.

[Major Hogwash]

82. "Starwars Hillary"? When does "Lost in Space Hillary" start posting here?

Hoo-haw! Too funny.

Just like Kerry.

Yeah, right.

[graycem]

84. Not exactly.

He actually DID misspeak. Hillary spoke this nonsense on MORE than one occasion. You're also forgetting how Hillary couldn't wait to jump on the bandwagon and twist the knife a little deeper into Senator Kerry's back, and you're also ignoring the fact Obama has not done any such thing to Hillary, on any occasion, even though he'd be justified in doing so.

[Starwars Hillary]

93. Obama said virtually the same thing today that Hillary said about Kerry

Google both reactions. She relented after it was clarified, like the Obama campaign did in an "official capacity" later on in the day. Note that the Obama surrogacy, however, has not let up with this farce. They will never relent. They will assume this forever, rather disgracefully.

If it was nonsense, why was she not called on it before when she said it on those infamous multiple occasions! Why? Because her meaning then was obvious, and not deliberately distorted. Both Kerry and Hillary barely misspoke. She was talking about June and June alone. I have no idea how you can come to any other conclusion unless you desperately want to. Notice how this never happened before when she said the same thing, b/c nobody wanted to distort it.

Obama has trash talked Hillary plenty - through his surrogates and the media which is deep in his corner. "Fairy tale is racist" is a perfect example of that.

[graycem]

104. She was not called on it

because people didn't know about it. I hadn't read the Times interview before or else I would've been EQUALLY disgusted. Nothing is being distorted. I do not allow myself to be told what to think. I am not one calling for her to be publicly stoned, but I also find it pretty remarkable that everyone is always so willing to bend over backwards giving her the benefit of the doubt, as has been done many many times, and Obama has NOT been given that same benefit. SOME candidates even MADE commercials about HIS gaffe. The Obama surrogacy has done NOTHING to further this garbage, why would they want to? They didn't like it very much when SHE said it. It would be completely irresponsible for them to further the madness.

Yeah she was talking about June. There are 52 OTHER, MORE APT analogies she could've used but she was talking to Supers, we all know it, we all know that she meant "anything could happen" how in the hell could we not?! She's been saying it, as well as all of her surrogates, on a daily basis. I don't desperately want to do anything. I actually pity her, that she has allowed herself to taint her name and the Clinton legacy in this manner. I've been hoping she would issue a sincere apology to fix this because I don't believe she intended it how it sounds. However, she should've had the political smarts to know it was really fucking crass, and makes her sound like a vulture. It is not MY problem that she has a problem with discerning how people will react to her comments. It is not MY problem that she is getting some REALLY shitty advice.

Trash talked her? Please illustrate even ONE baby tiny example of how he has said ANYTHING equivalent of this. The problem is you cannot, because he HAS not. I really love how you cannot even see what the media has done to BOTH Democratic candidates. Rev.Wright was on the t.v. for 3 weeks solid, 24/7 allllllllll the way up to the Indiana/NC primaries, it only stopped after it was clear it wasn't going to work. So, your line about the media being deep in his corner is completely absurd and beyond biased. And just because YOU didn't happen to be personally offended at any of their race-baiting tactics does NOT give YOU the right to tell a group or section of people what they may be offended by. That's not how the world works. :)

[VotesForWomen]

94. exactly. it's faux outrage and it would embarrass O-ists if they had any shame. nt

[MadHound]

97. At the least, this comment and others she has made lately,

Like "hard working Americans, white Americans" show a lack of sensitivity and intelligence that is needed in a person who's going to be president. At worst, she's continuing to throw the kitchen sink, resorting to the most vile of strategies, and willing to destroy the party all in order to win, either this year or in 2012. I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in between, which still makes her campaign vile and ugly, and all the more reason for her to pull out now.

[JoFerret]

98. Yep. All pounce and froth

DU is getting very good at it.
It is a r/w specialty though.

[ray of light]

99. The difference is that THIS can be seen as DEATH THREAT to Obama. (Duh!!)!

and encouragement for one of her supporters to do the dirty...

[ProSense]

101. Complete BS!

Kerry's statement was a joke with a word omitted that didn't actually change the meaning in context, and there were prepared remarks to show the original comment. There is no one on the planet that believed Kerry was aiming to disparage the troops. Well, Hillary went along with the RW spin:

Hillary Clinton Joins In

Stop clarifying what Hillary meant, it's clear. She also knew what Obama meant when he said "bitter"


As for your comment about both camps, BS. Hillary is despicable.

[fedupinBushcountry]

103. Exactly

Utterly despicable, using RFK as a way to put out the word "assaination". Everyday she and her campaign are sounding like a Rove ran campaign. She should be ashamed of herself.

I have listened to all the excuses of why she said it and that tired crap is getting used to much as an excuse. She is in it to win it, she said so many times and she could care less who she hurts, it is all about her. I have not one ounce of respect for her left, she has shown how low and will use whatever it takes and though she will not win, she wants to hurt Obama as much as she can.

We saw this happen in '06 when she threw a fellow Democrat, John Kerry. She didn't care about John Kerry and she doesn't care about any Democrat that stands in her way, it is all about her and Bill and their power.

[politicasista]

109. Thank you

It's tiring to hear them continue to justify her vicious attacks/remarks on Kerry and Obama.