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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:16 AM
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The Exit is the final Casualty
A seemingly innocent comment is brutally revealing.

The real casualty of Senator Clinton's prolonged fall from the competitive race was a graceful exit that would have been of mutual benefit to both candidates and to the party in general. Senator Clinton's attempts to compare the lengthy and exhausting campaign with earlier campaigns was not only fictional in everything but the month (the other campaigns had short competitive primary seasons as opposed to the lengthy warm up and extended primary season we have endured) but also tasteless, offensive and horrific in its imagery all in a single phrase.

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out".

She was advancing one of her last three reasons for clinging to the end

1)"I am staying in because anything can happen". It appeared not to be Boy Scout preparedness but a crass opportunism for advancing personal ambition over great tragedies that was presented in a stunningly frank and revealing attempt to justify staying in an apparently futile campaign.

2) Its a Civil Rights Crusade. While others try and force her out she is the Rosa Parks for women Presidential candidates.

3) Counting Every Vote. Stopping those that hate elections she is standing up against the vote haters just like they are in Zimbabwe.

Her attempt was to undermine Obama's legitimacy by portraying the results as unfair and undemocratic and that the only way to fix the injustice was to have a combined ticket - by adding her as the Vice President all of the objections and insinuations would be eliminated.

Her comments have created an irreconcilable divide between the various parts of the party that support Obama and her final group of hardcore die hard supporters. They honestly believe that this is a contrived controversy while the rest of the party is somewhere between the range of incredulity at the clumsiness of the gaffe to shock at the prospect of someone contemplating advancing their career with the benefit of a political assassination - a subliminal fear quietly held by a very wide range of Obama supporters (and one that apparently was strong enough to prevent the Powell family from signing on to a Presidential campaign).

The question of "why now" has been facing both campaigns for sometime.

The Obama campaign has had to justify why it was running now from the beginning and features it in every stump speech with a reference to Dr. King's 'fierce urgency of now'. For the Clinton's there has been a long question of "why do you stay in the race now".

It is hard to remember the chronology sometimes but actually the question has been raised on an almost daily basis since Super Tuesday. Way back on February 14th Senator Schumer felt that it was a substantive issue that it needed to be addressed:

In an article ironically titled

Schumer on Avoiding a 'Self-Destructive' End to Clinton Vs. Obama






http://www.observer.com/2008/schumer-avoiding-self-destructive-end-clinton-vs-obama
She won my state. I know how good she is. I was the first Senator to support her."

But he also said he doubted that one candidate would stay on long after it became clear he or she could not win the nomination.

"The number one thing that people worry about is that the candidates will cut each other up and make it harder to win the general," he said. "But I think that is not going to happen. Because everyone cares about winning so much. Not only the candidates, but the electorate. So if one candidate is doing something that is regarded as really self-destructive, of the ability to win, that's really going to hurt them."

"It would widely be regarded negatively in the electorate," he said.


That was Schumer speaking on February 14th.



The most unprepared overly prepared candidate in history

Not ready with a message. Not ready for Iowa or Super Tuesday. Not ready for caucus states or her own firewall states. It has been a campaign whose message was that of superior experience and organizational skill but whose reality is that they have been organizational nightmare's on both strategy, message and field operations.

And now completely unprepared for the exit they offer up a continuation campaign that is as grueling and nihilistic as "Groundhog Day" was fresh and uplifting. No plan for the exit except just not quiting until they get what they want.

While Senator Obama has geared down his campaign and slowed down the Super Delegate roll out so he could carefully control the timing of his pledged delegate victory, he is also apparently timing the Super Delegate endorsements so that he will clinch the nomination on June 3rd with victories in South Dakota and Montana. Senator Clinton's exit has more of the feel of a teenager being found out at Lover's Lane trying to justify why they are still out so late at night, making up the excuses while the adults patiently wait with an embarrassing silence.


A faithful remnant is completely unapologetic

A small die hard group of followers find the comments slightly awkward, possibly but certainly does not compare to some percieved Obama gaffe (with always the predictable desperate comparison to McClurkin). And this only serves to harden the feelings between the two camps. Just when feelings should be warming and converging on the electoral realities - suspicions and distaste is as high as ever between the the vast majority and a small group of Ubher partisans.

We are at that point that too many families have faced. While many supporters have made, or are preparing to make the transition for the General Election, a small embittered cadre has determined to not cooperate regardless of the cost in the General Election. Failure for the Democrats is preferred because it will validate their opinion that Senator Obama never had a chance. And so like a family that is facing self destruction it appears that it will also be necessary simply to divorce the final hard core faithful as any attempt at reconciliation has been compromised.


The Final Exit

What can happen when Senator Clinton now attempts to concede? It will be received with frosty indifference at best and more likely with a restrained contempt by those that still perceive her as a dangerous force that could still have a negative impact on the General Election. The possibility of appointing someone to the Vice Presidency who actually contemplates staying in a race because they could profit from the leader's demise seems now to be too macabre to consider.

Senator Clinton was not ready for this campaign and now seems totally unprepared for the transition to end the campaign. At least the party will have seen clearly which candidate was more prepared for all of the contingencies.

One can only wonder what type of speech they are contemplating and whether the Clinton campaign is aware of how great the skepticism will be in the country in general and the party in particular when Senator Clinton tries now to show what a loyal party member she is and how enthusiastic she is in supporting somebody besides herself in the General Election. While an effective concession could have lifted her and Obama and the party that ship has now sailed.

Having undermined Senator Obama's historic campaign and painted herself into a corner it was tough to see how Senator Clinton was going to reverse herself on the general issue of fairness and congratulate Senator Obama on a well fought campaign. Now her concession will almost certainly be seen as a cynical ploy by one of the most narcissistically self absorbed and ultimately superficial politicians who when provided with huge advantages in power, name awareness, wealth, decades of connections dramatically underperformed.

The campaign bookends will ironically be seen as the mishandled IWR vote and explanation on the one hand and the justification for continuing beyond a realistic chance on the other, A campaign that has had a long string of casualties including South Carolina and Bosnian snipers, handicapped itself with the perception that a vote on war was based on political perception and fatally wounded itself yesterday with a cynical appraisal that cataclysmic events inclduing assassination could still benefit her. Her campaign has finally exhausted itself by blowing its exit with its final casualty.





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andyrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:17 AM
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1. Exactly.
K&R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:54 AM
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3. thanks
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:20 AM
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2. Good post
:thumbsup:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:37 PM
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45. thanks
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:59 AM
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4. Was this the October surpise all along?
I don't even know why that crosses my mind but it's there and I can't get rid of it.

Hillary and I, and we, live in such different worlds that I don't even understand how she reasons anymore. I'm past even trying to understand and just want her out of the race now. If New York still want her, they can have her but no more than that.

Fuck her. Seriously fuck her now.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:17 AM
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5. absolutely spot on, grantcart
you've written may excellent and perceptive pieces here. This is among your best.

It's odd how sad Senator Clinton's ugly campaign makes me. At one point it made me angry. Now I'm just sad watching this undignfied spectacle.

k&r.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:21 AM
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29. Thanks Cali
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:19 AM
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6. Precisely...
Edited on Sat May-24-08 05:21 AM by RNdaSilva
However, I do believe that there's sufficient motivation to remove the thumb from the dike and allow a flood of super delegates prior to June 3rd, i.e., May 27th. If Senator Obama is in fact rationing them out it's time to throw away the book. Does anyone remember ration books?

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-endorsement-notes.html
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:09 PM
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38. Ration books well I remember my parents talking about them lol
One thing is that it shows how oool the Obama cats are - keeping supers dry and ready to go when ever needed.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:22 AM
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7. I voted for Hilary in the TN primary but I am an Obama supporter now .
I thought she was the best candidate at the time. John Edwards had just dropped out. Oprah had recently come out for Obama and he struck me as another uber rich person out of touch with the common man (as I believe Oprah is).

But as things went, I began to respect Obama. Especially after he gave that race speech. That inspired me and probably a lot of others.

I'm saying all this to point out the obvious that you never, ever hear on the corporate media.

Whoever wins the Democratic Nomination for President, will be the Next President of the United States. You can bet on that.

The final destruction the bushes will offer, will be the destruction of the political party that brought them to power. The Democratic Party will win the White House and eventually most of the Congress. We, Democrats, will be a very powerful political force again. That is why Hillary is fighting so hard. Until Obama, Hillary had a lock on the Presidency. Dreams die hard and she can't give up her dreams.

Just thought I'd point out the obvious.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:13 AM
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17. thanks for your thoughts
:thumbsup:

I think no matter how depressing it is, we have to be thankful that we have seen the true colors of Hillary and her gang. The ends rarely if ever, justify the means. And the Clintons have clearly shown they are "winners at all costs." They tried to beat the Rethuglicans at their own sleazy game, campaigned on it....but then became no better than Rethuglicans. :puke:

As someone around here said, "you can admire a fighter but not a dirty fighter."

We don't need Tonya Harding politics in this country.
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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:25 PM
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82. I would be an ardent Obama supporter, but I cannot stomach the hatred,...
...obsession, hysterics and the bully mentality that drive his supporters.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:24 PM
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87. Yeah, always the victim willy
toad. Your post makes as much sense as poor little hilary whining about the big bad people who want to push her out since Iowa.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:02 PM
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93. Don't you mean HER supporters.
Case in point. Hysterical rantings of today's great exodus.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:21 PM
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86. Thank you, fasttense..I really admire that
when someone can come around from a mistake in thinking someone was a certain way and turns out they're not.

Heck, I voted for hilary in 2000 but since she's my senator I came to know her too well after Oct 10, 2002.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:22 AM
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8. GC, I agree with you
Her chance at a graceful exit has pretty much been eliminated. There's no doubt in my mind she's going to have to be pushed out of the race. When this happens, her supporters are going to scream sexism and threaten to boycott the GE.

When the rules committee meets on the 31st, they need to settle put an end to the issues with Florida and Michigan and the super delegates need to start declaring their support for Obama.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:59 PM
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51. Donna Brazille's comment yesterday in response to Hillary's foot-in-mouth problem?
"I'm numb".

She isn't going to let the RBC be overrun with Clintonian nonsense.

I think this was the last straw for a lot of people.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:30 PM
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89. I wish I were "numb" but
since I knew about all the others..I'm just wondering who and what is going to put a stop to it?

Thank the Universe for Keith Olbermann and all the editorials who called hilary out on her latest "FIRE" in the theater, Divisive, Incendiary, Rove Tactics.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:24 AM
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9. Excellent post GC. Sadly, we were warned in the 90's. I must say
that I brushed off any criticism coming from the VRWC, because I hated them so much. But in hindsight, perhaps I should have paid heed. Is it any wonder that 6 in 10 Americans think this woman is dishonest & not trustworthy?

She and Bill need to return to NY, and perhaps leave the national stage for a while. Hillary probably could have done so much good in some cabinet post, or maybe even on the courts, but at this point, I'd rather she just went away for now.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:11 AM
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10. sigh, even though I'm lazy, what're ya gonna do when a post is so good you have to log in to rec?
Log in and rec!
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:18 AM
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11. Yep, she caused the death of her chances to get back to the WH
and also may have mortally wounded the DLC. It is sad that she had to end it in that fashion.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:14 AM
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12. puts a whole new meaning on the term "exit wound"
The bitter irony is that she killed her own campaign, when nothing else could seem to do it.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:19 AM
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13. Don't be hasty
with that post mortem. This is Hillary we're talking about here. I doubt even November will stop her campaign. She'll set up a Gov't-in-Exile tent on the White House lawn, ready to swoop if Obama sleeps through a 3am call.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:31 AM
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15. She will make Bill build a replica of the White House. They'll live in it.
Everyone will call her Madame President, and there, she will be President of the United States.

She'll give weekly speeches in West Virginia and Kentucky, where they won't know she's NOT president.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:08 AM
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23. Haw!
:rofl:

No, none of them will know the difference.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:15 PM
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39. Ms. Desmond
they're ready for your close-ups now...just as long as Barack Obama isn't in the William Holden role...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:28 PM
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49. ouch
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:22 AM
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14. k & r
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:22 AM
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16. This was to have been our year as Democrats.
Instead there are disruptive rallies at the party HQs, continued lawsuits from a state's Democrats against the party, two pending, two already dismissed.

And just plain ugliness and anger.

Yes, it is time.

Recommended, grantcart.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:41 PM
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91. If I am not mistaken,
2000 & 2004 were supposed to have been our years, as well.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:38 AM
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18. Nicely written and presented grantcart
Edited on Sat May-24-08 10:41 AM by Tom Rinaldo
You made some strong points but did so in a reasoned way that pretty much avoided needlessly fanning flames. No matter what else can be said, this can't be the way Hillary Clinton envisioned her historic campaign coming to a close. Being scrappy, getting off of the mat to fight the next round still worked for her, through Indiana and North Carolina. Up until then she was showing tenacity and resiliency. Clinton was fighting against long odds but giving it everything she had to win. She still had an outside chance, like hoping for that inside straight with one card left to deal.

After that things shifted, after that it increasingly became obvious that there was no hand Hillary Clinton could still draw that would be good enough to win the pot. In order to win now it was going to take the equivalent of her opponent getting caught with aces up his sleeve, thereby disqualifying him from the game.

If Hillary Clinton's campaign had shifted into a different gear after Indiana, the worst case reads on her motivations would not so easily resonate as it now does. But the more it appeared that she was willing to employ every trick in the book in order to snatch victory out of the jaws of virtually certain defeat (busing her supporters to the DNC meeting called to decide on the fate of the Michigan and Florida delegations etc.) the easier it is to picture her rooting for some disaster to come along that will derail Obama's chances for the nomination.

I don't believe for a second that Hillary Clinton would be less horrified by another political assassination occurring in America than you or I would be. She lives with constant death threats herself. Subconsciously I think the RFK analogy serves to illustrate that Hillary knows that it would take extraordinary circumstances for her to win the Democratic nomination now, even if she is not consciously contemplating that specific circumstance any more so than any person who runs for President must (and they must - strictly by statistics, the odds to date of an American President being assassinated in office is about one in eleven - and that doesn't count close call attempted assassinations).

Hillary Clinton's end game hardball has been politically self defeating. It had virtually no chance of succeeding and it increasingly reinforced some of the worst stereotypes out there about her ambition, undercutting the more positive gritty framing of her political persona that her spirited back against the wall campaigning had begun to instill for her between Ohio and Indiana.

The ultimate irony is this, and others have pointed it out: If the only way she could win now was if something external derailed Obama - let's say some new terrible scandal for discussion purposes, then her own efforts could not win her the nomination no matter how hard she fought. And her chances of inheriting a united Democratic Party behind her as our nominee had some external event derailed Obama's campaign would have been greatly enhanced had she conducted the closing phase of her campaign with more grace and sensitivity toward her opponent, his supporters, and the feeling of hope that has propelled the Obama candidacy forward to date.

I made what for me, under the circumstances, was a hopeful post last night: "There is still a way forward for Hillary Clinton"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6096006&mesg_id=6096006

There is no silver bullet positive way out of this now for Hillary Clinton. As you pointed out, the exact same events unfolding exactly the way they would have anyway now will be seen in a different light. If Super Delegates break to Obama after the last votes are counted - even if that was always their intention, now it may be spun as a slap in the face to Clinton for the way she has campaigned. No silver bullet will fully restore her honor in the eyes of those who now are profoundly disillusioned in Hillary Clinton. Only long hard work, day in and day out, doing what is right for the Democratic Party and for America, can repair most if not all of the damage to Clinton. If she does that some of her new detractors will one day come to respect her again sooner than others, and some probably never will - but that is always par for the course in politics.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:11 AM
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24. Thanks Tom its not the assassination reference per se that is so damning
its the same degree of calculation that is. The symmetry with the remark and her vote on IWR is a very troubling and it is just overwhelmingly sad, just plain sad, mind numbing sad.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:18 AM
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27. I see the symmetry that you speak of
I wish I didn't but I do. And I agree that the most pervasive emotion all of this raises in me now is deep sadness, of an epic tragic sort.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:18 PM
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41. That's exactly it TR
we ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US HERE, loved and defended the Clinton's for years. My wife and I thought about supporting her but she changed and so did our minds. It IS sad to watch. She reminds me of an addict that doesn't know when to stop.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:11 PM
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47. last June I was convinced it was over
all of which magnifies the intelligence and courage of a skinny kid from Hawaii.
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:26 PM
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88. This is "it" in a nutshell.........
:(
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:43 AM
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33. Very few people think Hillary honestly wants Obama assassinated.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 11:45 AM by Tatiana
Emotions are high, however, because you never know what some sick and twisted individual is reading into your words. As Hillary herself said, "words matter."

But the more ghoulish thing about the incident is that I don't use assassinations to reference months. No sane person does. It was interesting to use RFK to reference campaigning in June. As Mark Shields pointed out, that's a poor reference because Bobby had only been in the primaries for a MONTH by that time. Her stated reasons for using the reference don't make sense... at least to a logical person. Her clarification just made things worse. So she referenced RFK's assassination because Teddy, who has been recently diagnosed with brain cancer, was on her mind? None of these explanations make sense. They require extending a benefit of the doubt that her campaign's exploitation of bitter-gate, Rev. Wright, Ayers, etc. have forfeited.

So what did she mean. I think most people who read and saw the video got it. It wasn't that she was daring someone to go out and kill Obama. Subconsciously, she was thinking "hey, look at how Bobby was assassinated! You never know what could happen! If Obama gets killed, you'll need me!" Given the fact that Terry MacAuliffe has repeatedly said "anything can happen," this sounds possible.

That's the reason for her sticking around. Because something catastrophic could happen... and it would be happening to Senator Obama. That's why he deserved an apology too, but I knew Hillary would not deliver one (at least publicly). That would be acknowledging the idea that she's staying in the race because something could happen to Obama.

The furor arises from the idea that Hillary would even *think* this way. Never mind saying it out loud, why would you want to "win" something through the destruction or death of another person? That's craven and ghoulish and dark and supports every single person who has contended that Hillary doesn't have morals or a soul.

I called Rahm Emmanuel's office yesterday. Even THEY, DLCers 4-ever, know she fucked up.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:54 AM
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Yes. Though that possible "something" might not have been physical
Ed Muskie self destructed. Gary Hart self destructed. John Kerry's chances to run again this year suddenly got blown out of the water. But like I said, I agree that the RFK reference indicated her awareness that something dramatically negative happening to Obama was the only way he could now lose.

And yes she fucked up. Big time. She suffered the game changing dramatically negative moment, not Obama.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:24 AM
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106. Oh I don't think the "something" would be physical.
But given our nation's painful past, I absolutely have no standing to rebuke anyone who would think otherwise.

It's just tragic. I imagined her going out in a blaze of glory. I imagined her as the attack dog with a bullhorn that rolled right over the Republicans. I'm not so sure what the future holds now.

Thanks, as always, for the intellect and cogent thoughts.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:10 PM
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75. she is still just trying to strategize onto the ticket
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:19 AM
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105. Yeah. But that kind of strategy is a no-no. Hence, the uproar. n/t
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:36 PM
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67. Kicked
:kick:
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:36 AM
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104. Great post.
Here's the simple analogy, for the benefit of Hillary supporters who still don't understand why people are so offended/shocked/appalled by the comments Hillary made on Friday:

Pretend that several people have applied for a job. After several grueling rounds of tests and interviews, only two candidates for the job remain. The first is told that he has the job, pending final approval of the CEO. The other is told that the first candidate will be offered the job, pending a last formality.

Should the candidate who has been told (he/she) will not be offered the job say:

"Thank you for your consideration. Keep me in mind, if there is another opening at a future time."

Or:

"I'd like to keep my application open, in case the guy you've chosen to hire gets shot."
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:44 AM
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19. Me, me ... it's all about ME
I am so sick of this woman's voracious ambition. I get that she's sick over the inevitable loss but I am sick of playing apologist. She has 'misspoken' so many times I've lost count. I now feel wholeheartedly that she would be a disaster as a negotiator-in-chief. Her inability to say "I was wrong" is staggering. She needs to get out now.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:51 AM
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20.  She has obliterated any chance she had for a soft landing
after a horrendously bad campaign. Great analysis as usual, grantcart.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:56 AM
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21. I still say there needs to be a multiplication sign next to 'recommend'
Great job as usual.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:51 AM
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34. your very kind
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:05 AM
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22. A great read, thank you!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:12 AM
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25. K&R.
What can I say?
;)
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:15 AM
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26. Another great article by grantcart.
Overripe fruit falls off the tree. Unfortunately, Hillary was ripe to drop out 2 months ago and yet to stay in "to make a point".

Well, she made her point alrighty. She doesn't care about anyone, but herself!!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:20 AM
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28. K&R
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:31 AM
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30. great piece, Grantcart
and I don't think that I've told you how much I appreciate your posts. I see your name and I always click on it, knowing it will be worthwhile. Thank you..;-)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:34 AM
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31. you had me at 'hello'
Your comment is extremely kind.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:35 AM
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32. Great piece, grantcart. Another extremely well written analysis.

I think you've illuminated Herself and her campaign "issues" perfectly.

The next part, the one that will scare the shit out of everyone will be the psychiatric profile that I'm sure someone out there is working on even as we speak. I ain't talkin' Dr Phil, either.

Narcissistic personality disorder, Borderline personality disorder, sociopathy, histrionic personality, all or any part and parcel of any lifelong political candidate's psychological makeup rendered malignant in her by forces I don't understand.

I kind of feel sorry for her. But then I remember the Tuzla lies and the IWR and the lack of judgment reflected in the hiring of Mark Penn and Mcauliffe and I am reminded of how "old school" she really is: Pandering and influence peddling and the suitcases full of cash Bill brings back from places like Colombia....Boss Tweed in a pantsuit.


She has to go. All those of her kind NEED to go, but they will ALWAYS find a way to serve themselves at the expense of the people. Their mischief is a relentless and lifelong pursuit, and it's only when they completely fuck up like this do we see how abnormal and unworthy of our trust they are, no matter what their name or political dynasty reflect.

The Bush/Clinton 'dynasties' are coming to a close. Expect more horror before they completely exit the stage.



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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:20 AM
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100. Let's not forget..
that Bu*h has the same narcissistic personality disorder. Hillary is nothing more than bush in a pantsuit. Same mentality, pathology and methodology. At this point, I think we need to cue the men in white jackets to take Hillary away to the local nuthouse for some R&R.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:16 AM
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102. Um,
*all* politicians share that personality profile. It's why they go into politics.

That said, Obama in '08!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:54 AM
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35. K & R
:thumbsup:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:57 PM
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46. Scurilous your always there with your thumb but always so quiet.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:55 AM
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36. You've outdone yourself this time. I'd like to see this at HuffPo or NYT.. it is worthy..
up all night working on this? Kudos, it is brilliant and a concise, excellent read !
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:03 PM
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37. Very kind thank you
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:16 PM
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40. Brilliantly written, gc
A campaign which is a miserable failure with no exit strategy. It's George W. Bush's Iraq War.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:27 PM
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44. exactly
both underestimated their opposition and could see no defects of their own.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:18 PM
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42. Every aspect of the race was under her control, from IWR vote to her Vulturizing....
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:19 PM by BlooInBloo
It's kind of funny - for all of the lying, race-baiting, etc., if she had just gotten ONE of those things *right*, it'd probably be enough for her to win.

She's gotten literally *everything* big wrong in her campaign, from beginning to end.

EDIT: Good post too!
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georgecolombo Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:23 PM
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43. Well Said
Not much to add. A great post.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:53 PM
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69. thanks george
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:19 PM
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48. Brilliantly written piece!!!
Excellent analysis - and I agree with the others upthread who have suggested that this should be widely published.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:18 PM
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55. well if there are any sites that are suffering from a lack of submissions on the subject
we can send it to them. I suspect that this is such painful and sad moment that very quickly we are going to be seeing some happier news and let this scar fade.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:34 PM
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50. "The Cancer That Is Hillary Clinton"
Here's an article not nearly as good as yours, Grantcart, but it fits well with yours.

The Cancer That Is Hillary Clinton
Posted 5/24/2008

As a follow-up to yesterday’s post on Hillary Clinton’s remarks in South Dakota in which she referenced the assassination of Bobby Kennedy, I was appalled at the number of people who left comments excusing her comments as the result of fatigue or just an unfortunate choice of words.

So I did a little research and found out that this was the third time Hillary or a member of her campaign has made similar statements regarding the assassination of a Kennedy. I would hardly call that a momentary lapse in judgement, more like an obsessive thought, in my opinion.

...The superdelegates need to convene NOW, not May 31 or June 3, TODAY. They need to throw their unanimous support behind Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee and put and end to this process NOW. They must rid their Party of the cancer that is Hillary Clinton before it spreads any further. Not just for the good of the Democratic Party, but for the country as a whole.

...more at the link

http://www.chron.com/commons/persona.html?newspaperUserId=desperado&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3AdesperadoPost%3A74fbb4da-744e-4c98-b0b4-cd4ed26229bc
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:20 AM
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103. Yup,
That's prety much what I emailed Howard Dean last night.

We need to end the race now, before Ms. Clinton does any more damage.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:04 PM
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52. Well done, sir
K&R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:08 PM
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53. thank you
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:18 PM
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54. I am still reeling from her Kennedy comment, as is much of the country
The New York papers are ripping her for it, apparently. Her campaign is over. If she doesn't drop out now, the superdelegates need to declare for Obama on May 27th, and remove all doubt.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:26 PM
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57. it's a good way to put it ekwhite
"still reeling" any of us old enough to have lived through JFK, MLK, and RFK do NOT take these words lightly. That day in November 1963 changed my view on this world completely-and I was only 8...
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:53 PM
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61. I was 11 at the time
It was a lot for a youngster to absorb.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:21 PM
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64. I can remember that day
like it was yesterday...I remember what kind of sky was out there, what I was thinking and if that jet flying had JFK's body on it, where I played and with whom, what I talked about in the library...no comment to be made lightly-she knows better
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:26 PM
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56. Well said. It's almost Shakespearean in its tragic quality....
...the politically calculated misstep of the IWR vote, brought full circle to now. You're right, it is sad.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:56 PM
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62. that is it, just plain sad
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:32 PM
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58. Excellent analysis...the HRC "end game" turned sociopathic
...and the bad (tragic, twisted, whatever) part is the long term effect on feminism, women in politics, and young women in general, for whom she represents a very public leader.

Some of the heaviest spin I have seen is floating around to portray HRC as the victim in this yet again. "If she was comparing herself to RFK, and not Obama to RFK, then it is only sexism that forms our leap to judgment", and she is the hapless victim again. But listening to her words and then her "apology", that's clearly a perspective invented by others, well after the fact. The leader must be led, in this case, but I expect her to adopt this spin and victim strategy later today, perhaps.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:33 PM
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59. Very good. k&r.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:51 PM
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60. very well written
I was looking for a link, because the writing seemed professional. Of course, that could be a left-handed compliment since often the professional writers cannot reason their way out of a wet paper bag and are factually challenged.

I was gonna correct your German, the word is ueber, with umlauts over the U, but with some thought, Ubher seemed apropo.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:45 PM
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68. I should have gone to the dictionary and coppied the ueber.
thanks for your kind words
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:19 PM
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63. When you think about it, that vote on the Iraq war was the ultimate arrogant move
Edited on Sat May-24-08 03:20 PM by FlyingSquirrel
because it made the assumption that she would be the Democratic Nominee, and that therefore she would only need to play to Republicans with her vote.

Unfortunately for her, the Kerry precedent meant she could not apologize for the vote without being called a "flip-flopper" by the Repugs.

Great post.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:29 PM
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65. Awesome post. Thank you.
It's so much easier being the reader than being the writer...you've got the gift and are using it well....
:yourock:

k&r


peace~
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:32 PM
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66. Well said, grantcart.
I don't think Clinton WANTS Obama to be assassinated, but her use of the the assassination of RFK as part of her justification for staying in was beyond tasteless.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:51 PM
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80. thanks Seattlegirl
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:56 PM
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70. Great!
Really well done.

Nominated.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:46 PM
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72. tks
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:33 PM
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71. Great post - rec'd
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:49 PM
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73. thank williesgirl
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:04 PM
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74. Excellent as always, grantcart
I will be relieved to see her fade away over the horizon.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:29 PM
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77. I don't think fade is what they have in mind
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:20 PM
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76. I 'm waiting for Bill to open his big yapper about this
I bet even he knows she screwed the pooch on this one. Maybe they can pimp Chelsea out there to cover up for them.
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MarinCoUSA Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:35 PM
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78. Thank you for your post.. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:45 PM
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79. thank you Marin Co
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:19 PM
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81. big k and r!! There is really
nothing left to say--you said it all and in a very calm, measured way. Reading your posts is like watching Richard Wolf from Newsweek give calm, measured and very intelligent analysis on MSNBC. It leaves me with a sense that there is still hope for this country.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:58 PM
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83. except he knows what he is talking about lol
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:05 PM
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84. Good post - I'm a big Schumer fan. I hope he will make the transition easily.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:29 PM
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98. I am guessing he is going to lead the intervention
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:17 PM
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85. Thank you, grant, for your
amazing perception of hilary "painting herself into a corner".

It's so Ironic that hilary has done to herself now what she and bil have done to so many others over the decades. I guess she had no control over her self immolation.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:38 PM
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90. This says it all ...
"While an effective concession could have lifted her and Obama and the party that ship has now sailed."

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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:59 PM
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92. Hillary Clinton: The Movie
Superb commentary on the events and motives which led up to her fall from grace. You expressed much of what has brought me to the conclusion I expressed in an earlier post. Thanks, and recommended!
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trickyguy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:25 PM
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94. Makes perfect sense to me. She blew it. And thanks for the post.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:40 PM
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95. Are there any more primaries . . . what's up next . . . is there a lawsuit on the MI/FL cases???
The disgust with HRC should make it impossible for her to continue on --- !!!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:07 PM
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96. k&r
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:23 PM
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97. K&R! The Clinton's have been unmasked as power-crazed thugs. Sad. nt
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:57 PM
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99. Excellent, thank you. n/t
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:30 AM
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101. More slime from the Obamacrazies.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:28 AM
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107. Late to the party....but excellent & insightful Post!
Thanks!
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:34 AM
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108. Hillary & Sexism..more on The Exit
Edited on Sun May-25-08 03:39 AM by RNdaSilva
A good read on sexism for the remaining Hillary "feminists" here by a real feminist.

Like her or not she nailed this one.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

And yet another one...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/05/24/do2411.xml

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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:14 AM
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109. more self-indulgent, arrogant delusion from inside the Obama cocoon.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:55 AM
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111. Rodeodance? n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:30 PM
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112. how so?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:53 AM
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110. K&R. Thank you. n/t
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:31 PM
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113. Hillary gives new meaning to hubris.
New meaning to the term traitor.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:29 AM
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114. hubris goes before the fall
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