obama is a SCAM as is hillary. both are PRO WAR, here's proof...

[darue]

Part One: On today's major war funding bill he opted out.

Roll call: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00139

That's right "anti-war" Obama was NOT there at 12:29pm for the vote on the amendment funding the war. Busy with campaigning you say? But wait!

He was there at 11:42am for the vote on the amendment on domestic spending, GI bill, etc (voted YEA)
Roll call: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00137

He was there at 12:08pm for the vote on the amendment on timeline, no torture, no permanent bases (voted NAY)
Roll call: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00138

What's up with the bill voted on at 12:08 where Obama voted with Hillary, on strict Republican party lines.

[Ian David]

1. That was just a procedural vote. n/t

[darue]

2. yeah, ok... we'll see what happens comes January

I'm betting we stay in iraq from now to doomsday. may he prove me wrong.

[mac2]

8. You will be right since they are part of the Senate frat club now.

[Perry Logan]

3. And in all the world, you're the first one to figure it out. Those stupid Hillarites and Obamites!

[mac2]

11. Not stupid but part of the oligarchy to destroy democracy.

[DemVet]

4. Obama has enabled this war just as much as Hillary has.

[Skidmore]

6. So your girl has enabled war.

A rare admission from a Hillary proponent.

[DemVet]

10. And you're not denying Obama's guilt. Even more rare.

[JoFerret]

12. Silly

skid indeed.

[ShortnFiery]

5. Nice try. No Cigar.

:smoke:

[mac2]

7. Yes...they are both pro-war. The party leaders

and media would not support them (like Edwards and Kucinich). All anti-war candidates were not supported or funded. I have been after Obama about that and his support of Faith Based Funding. Is no one going to challenge them at those rallies? Or the media?

Even Webb (D-VA) changed his tune when elected.

I don't want the same ole, same ole. Obama has stayed out of some voting because he was running for President. They both want to do "policing". Which is what Bush is doing now.

They are also both pro-globalization saying they would fix the environmental and rights for workers in the trade group. Like they could do that? We can't do it here in this country. Best to get out of it like we demanded over and over in elections.

The 2006 election mandate by a large number of Americans was to get out of Iraq period, end NAFTA trade agreements (closed door negotiations by Bush and his unelected trade person).

These are the huge elephants in the room which everyone ignores. Instead the fight SEEMS within the party. Both are bankrupting and destroying our democracy for a world government rule by a few elite.

[Political Heretic]

9. You may be right for other reasons - but that vote was procedural only

Doesn't mean neither of the candidates are perfectly where they should be politically.

I'm not sure its fair to say they are pro-war. But aggressively anti-war certainly isn't part of the platform either.

[Fresh_Start]

13. Both democratic candidates have reassured the MIC

that they will stay in business.