what kind of apology would have satisfied Hillary critics?

[Enrique]

how about "I'm sorry that I said something that might influence some nutcase to kill my opponent, Senator Obama."

or "My deepest regrets that I said something that gives people the idea that I want my opponent, Senator Obama, to die so that I win."

[LakeSamish706]

1. We don't need or want an apology, we just want her gone! Out of this...

race, ok is that better? She is making a mockery of this party.

[Enrique]

3. omg!

you want Hillary "gone?" !!!!

:wow:

[YWC08]

12. Yeah, GONE. Take your freaking "omg!" and shove it.

[Enrique]

18. I'm shocked someone would say this in this context

here we are talking about presidential candidates being assassinated, and someone expresses the desire to see one of them "gone."

This is appalling to me!

[marylanddem]

22. We get the "joke" - we just don't think it's that funny.

[Enrique]

26. post #23 didn't get it

thinks it's fake outrage, when in fact it's a parody of fake outrage.

[Name removed]

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[polpilot]

44. She should say: 'Bill & I have a sociopathic, fucked up, psychotic, dysfunctional relationalship

What do you expect?

[JVS]

2. A sincere one, for starters.

[Lerkfish]

24. amen.

[jsmirman]

49. Exactly. And something that mentioned Obama. And acknowledged how horrific her statement was

instead of just, "I'm sorry if I offended anyone"- which we all know is the weakest "apology" of them all.

[marylanddem]

4. There is no apology adequate for breezily speculating on an

opponent's assassination.

[virtualobserver]

15. exactly, she had shown herself to be too irresponsible to be allowed to represent Democrats....

in any fashion.

[MadHound]

5. Getting the fuck out of the race

All she is doing at this point is hurting the party, the country and her own career.

Just endorse Obama and exit quietly stage left. No VP, no campaigning, just get the hell out of the primary race and instruct her followers to back the nominee.

[shadowknows69]

6. There is no apology at this point

She had her one chance at that and delivered her standard "I'm sorry if you were offended" buck passing non-apology. Her only chance at saving any respect for the Clinton legacy is to leave the race.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. None. I've already made that clear. She needs to get the fuck out.

No apology required. Concede and go away.

[ShortnFiery]

8. Anyone who would imply something as VILE as "waiting around for my opponent to be assassinated"

does not have the moral conscious to REALIZE that they are devoid of ethics.

HRC has crossed the line into Sociopathology.

There's no "fix" for this other than to "resign her Senate Seat and get out of the Presidential race."

HRC does NOT qualify for a high powered position where millions of lives are at stake for she has NO moral compass. :nuke:

[dkf]

9. Some things are beyond apology. You just have to live with it for the rest of your life.

Doug Brinkley says this is going to be part of her biography.

It will be attributed to her forever.

[cboy4]

10. Why do they think everything she says is about their hero?

They sure love to flatter themselves.

[virtualobserver]

20. she only has one Democratic opponent, unless she has invented a new one

[cboy4]

32. Yea, I know she has only one opponent....So why do you

think every reference she makes has to be about him.

You people are like the person at the office who is always going upstairs to H.R. to complain about co-workers whispering, because they're so positive they're being talked about.

[virtualobserver]

39. there are two people in the race.....one of the two cites assassination in her argument justifying..

staying in the race. Does she owe Mike Gravel an apology?

[Butch350]

58. Is Hillary Your Heroe

She is a good role model for future, "La Femme Nikitas", who want to master the art of creating racial divide and then knowing
when to yell "sexism" - to justify everything you've done or said previously! She is the PhD in that tactic.

[MH1]

11. "Barack Obama has won this nomination and will make an excellent President, and I urge my supporters

to do everything they can to help Barack win in November so that we will finally have a Democrat in the White House again, and can start getting this country back on the right track."

Seriously. There has been too much water under that bridge for any "apology" to even matter.

(Has she even apologized to John Kerry for backstabbing him in 2006? Let's say I'm not holding my breath for any apology from her, for anything, EVER.)

[Enrique]

14. I'd like to hear her say that

I expect she will at some point.

[dorkulon]

13. Those would be a start.

At least SOMETHING that addresses the controversy, not some irrelevant apology to the Kennedys. Maybe something like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6106639&mesg_id=6106639

[LucyParsons]

16. None. She said that on purpose.

She does everything on purpose. She AND Bill. They're Rovian, take no prisoners campaigners. But, because of Rove, Americans are sick of this approach, and see it for what it is.

Also, she's a lawyer. She knows how to phrase things in an exacting fashion. She didn't have to phrase that as she did. She's said it repeatedly, but not as explicitly, and she finally got her ass called on it.

Fuck her.

[rug]

17. They will accept nothing less than her bronzed uterus.

[marylanddem]

25. She's bronzing it herself.

[tekisui]

19. This one: "I am sorry I am still running, I conced the Nomination to the winner,

Barack Obama."

[marions ghost]

21. she doesn't really apologize ...

I wouldn't waste any time expecting it. Don't we all know this personality type? They don't DO apologies because of course they are never wrong.

I understand that your "suggested apology" is theoretical. Hillary wouldn't have used those kind of incriminating words of course, but she COULD have directed her apology, such as it was, to Obama and his supporters, as well as to the Kennedys.

But y'know these people do not believe in apologies.

[marylanddem]

27. Her failure to mention Obama in her "apology"

was the height of arrogance, superiority, and deliberately insulting...What a cold-blooded person.
And, might I add, racist.

[marions ghost]

42. yes

even in her bogus apology, she was still spinning it, directing it to her chosen audience--instead of to the obvious target of her "mistaken" comments. Because that would be taking responsibility for it, acknowledging the implications of it. And so in the best lawyerly style, she sidestepped any real culpability, making it only about bringing up such a painful memory to the Kennedy family. That in itself was another slapdown to Obama & his supporters.

Yes, she is arrogant, cold-blooded, conscienceless--those who profess not to see this are people who tend to be complicit with these type of personalities. We had a good lesson in thse malignant narcissists during the Bu$h fiasco. Thankfully more people recognize it and will not be tempted to forgive and forget. It's a pattern of behavior here, not a mere incidental gaffe.

Has politics made Hillary this way or was she always thus? Analyzing the Hillary Clinton evolution and spectacular crash at the end of the race will be an interesting project for somebody. Her story is unfolding in an archetypal way. Her chickens are coming home to roost. Sad, because she's smart, but smart and twisted.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

28. How about...

"I would like to apologize for disclosing that my ONE REMAINING CAMPAIGN STRATEGY is to hope for the death of my opponent. I would like to apologize for being such a black-hearted waste of a human soul that I would, even for one minute, contemplate how I might be the political beneficiary from an act of political terrorism. The statement that I made was beneath contempt, and certainly unbecoming anyone who wishes to lead this great nation. I hereby suspend my campaign for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, and humbly request that those who have supported me in this campaign continue to support the Democratic Party and all of its candidates, especially Sen. Barak Obama, who I am sure will do us all proud as the next President of the United States."

I think most of us would let her off the hook...

[marylanddem]

29. That works for me!

[Hepburn]

34. Excellent! n/t

[Lady-Damai]

30. I'm very sorry. I'm not perfect. I am human being.

I should have not used Bobby's assassination as a reference. The pressure was getting to me. I just want to be your president. I strongly believe I can make a difference in this country and the world. I really love this country.*tears starts* For 8 years I watched how George W. Bush destroyed this country and it's ppl. I am the right choice to put America on the right path...please believe in me.

[Hepburn]

31. There is NO apology which is sufficient to make up for...

...having thoughts about Obama being assassinated in order to benefit one's political ambitions.

There simply is no way to apologize for voicing something that sick and evil.

JMHO

[C_U_L8R]

33. if she can't apologize right the first time

there's really no point. Hillary has shown us all what she's made of.

[pampango]

35. "I apologize for what I said." Not, "if anyone was offended, I apologize

for what I said."

[ecdab]

38. That's base line of every apology - it takes responsibility for what the

individual did or said. Hillary attempted to shift that responsibility to those that perceived her comments as offensive as opposed taking responsibility for what she said.

[juno jones]

36. One that includes the word 'sorry' and sounds as sincere as Huckabug's.

Doesn't seem too much to ask.

The fact she can't apologize properly reminds me of our current sad excuse for a CIC.

[powergirl]

37. Here's an example

I apologize to Sen. Obama. I should have never made that statement. It was wrong and insensitive to me to imply such a thing. I will never say anything like that again. I have already called Sen. Obama and Sen. Kennedy and offered my sincerest apologies. I pray that they will forgive me and again, I regret this terrible mistake.


That is an apology. An apology is not "I'm sorry if you were offended." You need to take responsibility for the words that came out of your mouth. And you need to say it was wrong. And you need to ask for forgiveness. It's a pretty basic model. Not hard for most folks.

[TheCowsCameHome]

40. "I am hereby ending my campaign" would be good for openers.

[sellitman]

41. Her problem now is

Anything she sais on this matter won't be believed. No matter what. She is damaged goods. I hope she can go back to NY and salvage her career.

[EV_Ares]

43. Unfortunately for her, she said something that really cannot be undone. She can

apologize but it is one of those things there really is no way to forget the words and no apology can undo what she did. Probably the final act of her candidacy and certainly did not help any kind of positive legacy for her and Bill. How will they be remembered after this botched up feeble attempt at a run for the presidency.

[Geek_Girl]

45. She should explain that the RFK reference was more about the fact that

Bobby Kennedy's and McCarthy's primary lasted till June. It's a Gaffe pure and simple.

She should apologize and then concede before she completely destroys what credibility she has left The current political atmosphere is just way to negative for her to continue.

[jsmirman]

51. See... no. Less explanation, more sincere apology

and acknowledgement that what she said was beastly.

We don't need freaking explanation- we need ACTUAL CONTRITION.

[marions ghost]

46. Can she be so delusional

that she thinks this is an apology, it's over, and therefore she will just carry on? Boggles the mind.

We are witnessing a ghastly twisting in the wind.

Will her supporters and handlers not help her accept reality? She does need help.

Meanwhile the Hillary campaign needs to pull down the tents and start packing up the roadshow. Oh yeah and get Snake Oil Bill out of the hotel bar on the way out of town.

[Indi Guy]

47. what kind of apology would have satisfied Hillary critics?

Sadly, Hillary is her own worst enemy. She jumped the shark -- long term.

I've always respected her. I thought that she was smart enough to be president. Presidents need to be wise while weary.

Hillary was unwise in the weariness of her campaign.

Understandable? -- yes.
Surmountable? -- no

I'm only guessing here but Hillary may have screwed up in such a a big way because she really doesn't want to continue on.

She's been dancing with the bear for a very long time. (When you enter politics -- you dance with the bear. You can't stop dancing before the bear gets tired).

Well, the bear is tired & Hillary is off the hook.

(With all my being I mean this) Enjoy your new life Hillary. There is grand life to be enjoyed after the toxic politics of presidential elections.

[Indi Guy]

53. Sadly, Hillary is her own worst enemy. She jumped the shark -- long term...

I've always respected her. I thought that she was smart enough to be president. Presidents need to be wise while weary.

Hillary was unwise in the weariness of her campaign.

Understandable? -- yes.
Surmountable? -- no

I'm only guessing here but Hillary may have screwed up in such a a big way because she really doesn't want to continue on.

She's been dancing with the bear for a very long time. (When you enter politics -- you dance with the bear. You can't stop dancing before the bear gets tired).

Well, the bear is tired & Hillary is off the hook.

(With all my being I mean this) Enjoy your new life Hillary. There is grand life to be enjoyed after the toxic politics of presidential elections.

[stevietheman]

48. I'm afraid no apology will work after comments like this.

Hillary has just ended all future potential in the Democratic Party.

[Medusa]

50. I apologize to Sen. Obama and his supporters.

And I announce my withdrawal from this campaign. That would work for starters. She knows she can't win. She knows it's going to take something catastrophic for her to obtain the nomination. She meant what she said and she said what she meant. Nothing short of her dropping out of this race will suffice.

[wolfgirl]

52. It's not that an apology is required.

I have supported Bill & and especially Hillary since the beginning; and what I find most disturbing is that such a smart lady would make the kind of statements she has made about Barack Obama since she began to lose ground against him. It hurts us all when one of our own makes statements/comments that we usually hear from Rove & his cohorts.

Very sad.

[JerseygirlCT]

54. "My words were terribly chosen, and I deeply regret any hurt

I may have caused with them. I was thoughtless and I apologize".

That might be a start. Not the sort of "I'm sorry if *you* took offense" non-apology apology we got.

[Orsino]

55. "I'm sorry that my poor choice of words sounded in any way like an incitement to violence." n/t

[Arkana]

56. If she had said "I apologize to Senator Obama and his family

and Senator Kennedy and his family for my remarks today...they were out of line and I realize now that I should have used a different example."

[weezy2736]

57. "My comments were in poor taste.

I apologize for all the harm I have caused. There was no excuse for what was said, Robert Kennedy was a great man whose death shouldn't be trivialized in a presidential campaign."

Followed by her dropping out.

[SoxFan]

59. Getting out of the race

This is the fourth time her campaign has raised the specter af assasination in public. She's become a toxic presence in the race, and it's time for the Democratic Party to cut her loose.

[GoesTo11]

60. Sometimes there is no satisfactory apology

An apology can still be the right thing to do - "I'm sorry I was such a jerk, I'll go away now." She should do what she can to make amends, but an apology doesn't always make it ok. No more than having mommy kiss it lets you walk on a broken leg.

[skooooo]

61. a real one

[MilesColtrane]

62. "I'm sorry I signed the Iraq War Resolution."

That's still the most important apology I haven't heard yet.

Then I'd go with NAFTA, going back on her MI and Fla pledges, not a Muslim...as far as I know....etc.. etc...