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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:34 AM
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'I don't think she's hoping for some tragic catastrophic event to intervene'
Edited on Sat May-24-08 08:59 AM by bigtree
"I don't think she's hoping for some tragic catastrophic event to intervene," Obama senior strategist David Axelrod told MSNBC's "Hardball"


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The way it played out, Clinton pushed back strongly when the Argus Leader editorial board asked about reports that her campaign was pushing for Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to take Clinton as his running mate, or that she was making plans to drop out of the race.

Flatly untrue, she said.

"Neither of us has the number of delegates needed to be the nominee, and every time they declare it doesn't make it so. Neither of us do," Clinton said, according to a transcript assembled by the ABC News political unit's Talal Alkhatib. "And I've never seen anything like this. I have, perhaps, a long enough memory that many people who finished a rather distant second behind nominees go all the way to the convention. I remember very well 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, where some who had contested in the primaries, you know, were determined to carry their case to the convention . . .

She said, "People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa. ... I find it curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don't understand it. And between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this. And, you know, historically that makes no sense. So I find it a bit of a mystery."

"You don't buy the 'party unity' argument?" she was asked.

"I don't," Clinton said. "And again, I've been around long enough. You know, my husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary sometime in the middle of June. Right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know, I just-- I don't understand it. And you know, there's lots of speculation about why it is, but uh..."

She was asked: "What's your speculation?"

"You know, I don't know," she said. "I find it curious, and I don't want to attribute motives or strategies to people that I don't really know. But it is-- It's a historical curiosity to me."


The Argus Leader editorial board issued a statement saying, "The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/clintons-contex.html




RFK Jr. Says No One Should Be Offended

This evening Robert Kennedy Jr., who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., cautioned folks not to be offended at Clinton's mention of his father's assassination when discussing why she was staying in the race and how there was precedent for the primaries lasting until June.

In a statement, Kennedy Jr. said: “It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.”


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/rfk-jr-says-no.html
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:34 AM
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1. Axelrod is being too kind.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:36 AM
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3. Either too kind or being smart.

I can't decide.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:43 AM
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8. "When your opponents are digging themselves into a hole
don't stop em."

I think their kindness is a way to let Hillary dig all she wants : - )))


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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:52 AM
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14. Or, "If your opponent has grabbed the third rail, don't touch them".
Lest you be electrocuted yourself.



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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:54 AM
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16. Bzzzzzzzzt. Ya got that right !!
hahahaha
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:53 AM
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15. ...give them a bigger shovel..or a backhoe. Did I say 'hoe'?
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:40 AM
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7. I'm Sure Wolfson, McAulliffe And Penn Would Have Been Just As Magnanimous ......
if the shoe were on the other foot. (sarcasm)
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:57 AM
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18. I think they might have been a little bit bitter
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:35 AM
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2. Then why did she bring up the assassination...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:36 AM
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4. C'mon bigtree. It was indefensible. Please stop.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:38 AM
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5. Tell Axelrod and the editorial board who conducted the interview.
Or just keep making shit up.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:46 AM
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10. Axelrod is simply distancing the Obama campaign from Clinton's self
induced shitstorm. He is not going to hammer her for it. However if you would like to compare reactions:

My jaw just dropped -- I think she just basically shattered her hopes of being named as vice president," said New York state Sen. Bill Perkins, one of Obama's top backers in Clinton's home state. "To use the example of an assassination, I think, leads one to believe that she may be talking about something unfortunate happening to Barack Obama. Couple that with the other remarks she made recently about winning the white vote and her husband's statements and I'd say something is seriously amiss."

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign."

Al Gore's 2000 campaign manager, Donna Brazile, an uncommitted superdelegate who has been complimentary to Obama, said, "I am numb."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clinton24-2008may24,0,3156156.story
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:55 AM
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17. Donna Brazile--"I am numb."
Whoa.

And Clyburn has been quoted as saying the comment was, "beyond the pale".

Oh dear.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:00 AM
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19. But, RFK Jr. Says No One Should Be Offended
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:07 AM
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22. With all due respect, RFK Jr. experienced the horror of these assassinations differently.
Than did Brazile and Clyburn (as well as many of our DU posters).

So I'm sure that RFK, Jr.'s statement has been considered by Brazile and Clyburn, but they're still allowed to have their own reactions as well.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:10 AM
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23. Of course they're allowed.
And I'm allowed to take RFK Jr.s counsel and disregard theirs.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:39 AM
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6. You mean that David Axelrod and I have differing opinions? OMG WTF.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:43 AM
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9. I don't think she's hoping for it. I do think she wants me to worry about it so I'll vote for her.
Ultimately, a president should be about building up the country and bringing us together. Clinton's candidacy has too frequently tried to do the opposite. I won't be scared into voting for anybody. I vote my aspirations. I aspire to live in a decent, civilized, generous, courteous, ass-kicking country. Clinton doesn't represent that hope.

In her heart, she's an advocate. She makes whatever argument will work to her advantage for the moment. It is a good quality in a legislator. It is self destructive in a figure whose job it is to bring the country together.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:47 AM
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11. Of course she is. She's waiting for....something, anything. nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:50 AM
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12. self-delete.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 08:51 AM by Kristi1696
wrong place.

apologies.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:50 AM
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13. Thanks, bigtree, for providing the entire context, where her reference to RFK makes perfect sense.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:03 AM
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20. Once could possibly be construed as a 'gaffe'
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:04 AM
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21. You can defend her
on this one until you are blue in the face and it won't make any difference. The damage to her reputation is silently done. Most everyone I have talked to is giving her the benefit of the doubt because the alternative is unthinkable. There is a degree of sadness also. No one really wants to talk about it much. If you, bigtree, do not understand the inappropriateness of Hillary's reference I feel sorry for you.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:11 AM
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24. And I will defend her. She hasn't lost a bit of my support
And, I don't believe she's going to be the outcast her opponents are hoping for.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:21 AM
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25. I am sure
you are a good person but what you don't get is that there is no defense of her reference to the assassination of Bobby Kennedy regardless of the point she was trying to make. I was a young adult when Bobby was killed and I remember where I was and what I was doing and my emotions at the time. There are no words to express how nightmarish those days were.

There is a reason Senator Durbin requested and received early secret service protection for Obama in May 2007. If you do not understand how insensitive Hillary's reference was and wish to remain blind, then as I said, I feel sorry for you.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:14 PM
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27. You feel sorry for me for agreeing with RFK and the people who interviewed her?
Save it.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:32 AM
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26. So the Argus Leader editorial board AND RFK JR,, hell, even Skinner, see the truth here
yet the fauxrage rages at du...
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