The irony of Hillary's analogy to RFK

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

Let's leave aside for just a moment the creepiness that we get from contemplating that Hillary Clinton has done the mental calculus to determine how the death of Barak Obama would benefit her politically and personally. That's simply an ugly part of her personality and a rock that's best left lying exactly where it is.

The practical side of her analogy is simply this: What if something terrible happened to Barak Obama? Be it political assassination, an unspeakable gaffe, or some previously-unknown dirty laundry that doesn't come to light until the week before the 4th of July. What if something happens to the Obama Campaign and Obama, for whatever reason, is not the Democratic Nominee?

Does Hillary really think that after months of negative campaigning, including praising John McCain and Fox News, she could simply waltz into the Denver Convention Center and walk away with the nomination? Does Hillary not think that maybe John Edwards or Al Gore might decide that the Democratic Party would better served with somebody (read:anybody) other than she as its standard-bearer in November?

The irony in her strategy of circling the Obama Campaign like a vulture is that, in order to stay in the race, she has had to say and do some many things unbecoming a potential president -- much less a Potential Democratic President -- that she has fatally wounded her chances of ever being that default candidate.

She can recover from this politically. Politicians both Republican (Nixon) and Democratic (Clinton) have come back after electoral defeats and gone on to both great and ignominious things. Hillary is smart and determined, and I've no doubt that she can do the same.

If.

If she leaves the campaign now. Like by the end of this week. Forget the fantasy of a graceful exit -- any gracefulness remaining in the Clinton campaign was left metaphorically bleeding to death in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel yesterday. She overstayed her welcome in the 2008 campaign more than a month. If she says much longer, she will have overstayed her welcome in American Politics.

[sellitman]

1. Spot on.

She does a good job for the voters of NY. She needs to fold up her tent and go home and concentrate on doing her best for NY'ers across the state.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

2. She's a very good Senator...

And I like the idea that been floated of appointing her to the Supreme Court. But she needs to understand that this particular campaign is over.

[NYCGirl]

3. Believe me, she's not that good of a Senator. NT

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

5. I used to have George Voinovich and Mike DeWine...

You're just spoiled!

Now I am, having Russ Feingold as my Senator. Kohl is just OK, but Russ rocks!

[NYCGirl]

7. I really envy you Russ. He's a gem! NT

[shadowknows69]

6. If you're Fort Drum in upstate NY she's a good Senator

Brought Billions to the MIC up here. My city now exists only to serve the Base near it.

[Mimosa]

19. SCOTUS needs judges with experience and sound judgment: HRC lacks both

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

21. Appointing Supreme Court Jusices is like buying scratch off lottery tickets...

You really don't know what you're going to get until you've made the decision. JFK appointed Byron White, who went on to dissent in Miranda and Roe v. Wade and to allow the death penalty for juvenile offenders. Harry Blackmun was appointed by Nixon and went on to write the majority opinion for Roe v Wade, uphold the rights of homosexuals to engage in intercourse without interference by the state, and to become a staunch opponent of the death penalty. So as soon as you develop a system for predicting the effectiveness of Supreme Court Justice nominees, you let me know.

I have Lotto tickets to buy...

[cascadiance]

20. Nope, Chemerinsky would be TONS better! Hillary would screw us on corporate personhood!

Hillary would likely be even worse than Rehnquist (who dissented at times) on the issue of corporate personhood.

That issue in my book is as important as Roe v. Wade in who our next SCOTUS selection is!

I think the best position for Hillary at this point would be for her to run for NY Governor. Earn her way back to notoriety where her decisions don't have as much national consequences, and I think it would be a good place to rebuild her image there if she can do good things for the state there first. And she could immediately appoint RFK, Jr. to replace her in the Senate who would do a fine job to pay him back for his support.

[AllentownJake]

4. She's never lost before

so knowing how to do it sadly is not in her.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. She lost the governorship in Arkansas.

35 years experience!

[AllentownJake]

16. LOL

No Bill lost that race.

Every race she's run since 2000 has been handed to her on a platter. This is very confusing to her.

[CaptJasHook]

8. I prefer the Greek tragic ending with the hero foiled by their own hubris.

[LeFleur1]

10. Rule Book

You people will have to write a new rulebook that indicates what facts can be stated and which ones can't. One for the nominee you like where that includes how to state things without any meaning that people like to hear, and one for the nominee you hate and all facts that are to be censored.
Once upon a time in America facts could be stated to prove a point, or to discuss. Not any more.
These Obama supporters on DU P are like hungry wolves, surrounding, tearing flesh, blood dripping from their mouths. I wonder how many out in the real world are the same. Makes a person pause.

[crankychatter]

15. "hungry wolves, surrounding, tearing flesh, blood dripping from their mouths."

omg

and WE are overdramatic?

[roseBudd]

32. "hungry wolves, surrounding, posting Wright, Ayers, bitter, proud, sweetie threads repeatedly

[CaptJasHook]

17. You are delusional

Hard core Hillary supporters have been just as, if not more demeaning than Obama supporters have been. They have trashed peoples' hope and calls for unity. They have ignored reality.

Obama uses "facts" and rules to defeat your candidate and all you can do is whine. If you cannot take the time to examine the facts in this case and see what people are talking about, then it is you who are a fool.

Facts:
Hillary brought up RFKs assassination on at least 5 occasions to make a point.
Hillary's analogy failed to provide the real context or history. Ignored in the hopes no one would notice.
Ted Kennedy was in the hospital 3 days earlier
RFK's assassination anniversary is in less than two weeks.
Obama has been receiving death threats since he began the campaign
Their is historical precedent for assassinations to prevent Democrats from winning office.
Right wing thugs are armed and dangerous
You are an apologist, a hypocrit and a dupe

[anigbrowl]

22. and people wonder why I made the comparison with Livia a week back.

[ekwhite]

26. Overly dramatic, aren't we?

Of course I WAS tearing flesh last night at dinner.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

40. It's why I wear a bib...

don't want to get blood on my shirt.

[JVS]

39. wwaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[hisownpetard]

9. Your last paragraph - perfect summation! Every word true.

:thumbsup: :hi:

[Seabiscuit]

11. The practical side of her analogy is simply this:

Nomination campaigns often continue not only through June, but all the way to the Convention.

Period.

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6107402

All other meanings attributed to her comments on DU during the past 24 hours are acts of desperation and moral decrepitude.

Shame on you and your Obamanoid brethren.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

18. When was the last time that a nomination was settled at the convention?

That's what the primary system is meant to avoid -- backroom deals that don't reflect the will of the voters.

[anigbrowl]

24. That's like trying to drink from the bottom half of the glass.

She could have referenced 1988, 1984, 1980, 1976...all of which still had races taking place in June.

[JVS]

38. She should have referenced 1976. Even ignoring the RFK tragedy, 1968 was a fucking disaster...

and justifying your campaign by saying that it's no different than in some year in which we were horribly divided and lost pathetically is actually making a case about how you should get the hell out of the race.

[SoFlaJet]

13. Wow great fucking post Jeff

"her strategy of circling the Obama Campaign like a vulture" great imagery here. If anything horrible like she is hoping for were to happen to Obama-Gore or Edwards would be the better alternatives because anybody not blinded by some other agenda can plainly see that she is mentally unstable and unfit to serve as POTUSA

[sniffa]

14. Good post

and it's brought some of the dead-enders.

[ShortnFiery]

23. HRC won't leave. She's just too self-righteous. She is OWED The Presidency and she will have it...

Or else!?! :nuke:

[ekwhite]

25. K&R

Despite Obama's statement forgiving her for her comment, I am still angry at her. To a lot of us who were traumatized by the events of 1968, her statement was beyond the pale.

[Swamp Rat]

27. I don't think she will retain her senate seat.

I believe most Americans are tired of negative campaigns. I also believe Obama will wipe the floor with McCain once McCain goes all-out negative, Rove-style.

[walldude]

29. I agree.. People are not as misinformed as they once were

it's much easier to get all sides of a story now than it was even when W stole it in 2000. Most people aren't as easily fooled by Hannity as they once were, and the ones who are are going to be questioning 5 or 6 bucks a gallon for gas in Nov. I don't predict a landslide(although if he wins by 2 points he could call it a mandate :rofl: ) but I bet Obama wins easily..

[Swamp Rat]

30. He WILL win.

:hi: The Dum-Dums don't have a chance. :D

[GalleryGod]

35. Well, OB could've named her to SCOTUS,but,but,but

NOT NOW !!!!
Douchebag for Liberty!

[K Gardner]

28. Perfect, well-said, thank you.

[Johnny__Motown]

31. I felt the irony lay...

in the fact that she was explaining how she did not understand the reasons some people use for her to suspend her campaign.

While discussing how she does not understand why she should suspend her campaign she provided another reason why she should suspend her campaign...

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

33. It was a very disingenuous moment...

Does she REALLY not understand why people think she should get out of the race? Really? If she's that tone-deaf to the opinion of the voters, how is she going to make decisions as President?

[Johnny__Motown]

37. And how will she meet with other nation's leaders when she makes gaffes like this one?

[GalleryGod]

34. If I wantd to head to Tombstone Territory theres lots of descriptions of that Ghoul in a Pantsuit

I could use...here's a safe one...
"HAVE ANOTHER DOUGHNUT,SENATOR! LOOKIN' GOOD! You & Beer Belly Bill!"


Latest California SUPER Delegate to Endorse Obama
Senator BILL McKAY

[frickaline]

36. In this doomsday scenario, you'd be foolish to think another candidate

could catch up with her delagate count. She would certainly be the nominee in that unlikely scenario. I also think that expecting her to drop out of the race when the finish line is basically upon us is completely unrealistic. She will take this to the convention and I expect she will lose there with as much grace as is still possible.

[Perry Logan]

41. Sane readers will note there was no analogy. Back away from the thread...