the "i don't think she meant anything by it/gaffe" meme

[beezlebum]

she meant it.i don't believe she meant she was "hoping" for it. but she definitely meant something. and you can not convince me that her "explanation" was what she meant.

yes, the kennedys have been on her mind- since january.

it was the FOURTH mention of it. it is a talking point.

she knew this would not go over well, but imnsho, she did what she intended to do:

it is a subliminal suggestion to super delegates that "just as with the last hope and change/sky will open up candidate, and as the first viable black candidate, obama might get assassinated, so (they'd) better back (HER)." in the same vein as "obama is black and can't win over the klan, so (they'd) better pick (HER)."

how many "mispeakings?" "tired-gaffeings?" how many? how many???? how many "suggestions" has she not meant? how many times has she lied unintentionally and yet repeatedly?

i am not overreacting. i am fed up.
i am not kneejerking. the longer it goes on, the more justification and excusing i see, the more wrong she is.

this was not an innocent mistake. i refuse to pity her. i refuse to excuse her this time.

[tekisui]

1. She is trying to sow fear and doubt in the Supderdelegates.

IMO, she is saying to the supers, be careful. Obama is not durable or electable.

[beezlebum]

9. exactly.

[Crazy Dave]

17. And that all those white, middle-class, gun and bible toting voters of hers

Don't like him very much and you never know what could happen with those people. For god's sake they're already threatening to vote republican so who knows what else they might do, you know? :scared:

[gateley]

I don't think that Hillary

was trying to use subliminal suggestions to encourage such an act.

I do think she used that word as part of her strategy -- kind of like her "as far as I know" remark -- to get people thinking 'what if?'. Gosh, what IF the unthinkable happened to Obama, we NEED Clinton around if something like that were to happen. Like that. The fact that she's cited RFK's assassination previously makes me think I'm right. Otherwise she could have just said "Both my husband and Bobby Kennedy took their campaigns into June..."

There was a reason she used that word. More than once.

[mamalone]

7. Exactly...

I agree with you... what a surprise that is;)

[Enrique]

2. you can't know what she meant

in the context of what she said, your theory seems ridiculous to me. It seems clear to me exactly what she was talking about, that is, she was talking about races that went late.

[BlooInBloo]

6. Er... that's why we have LANGUAGE - to know what people mean...

And it's as clear as day that she meant: one reason for her to stay in is because of the lesson learned from RFK being assassinated in June.

That's why language EXISTS.

[weezy2736]

19. I've been looking for a way to say it as simply as

"...one reason for her to stay in is because of the lesson learned from RFK being assassinated in June."

Would you mind if I borrowed those words? I've been trying to find them, but you did it perfectly well.

[BlooInBloo]

21. Rock on - just be prepared: some people take exception to my words...

I can't for the life of me figure out why, of course, but they do. :P

[weezy2736]

28. Ah, don't pay attention to 'em.

Words don't count any more, anyway.

[DearAbby]

15. Problem is Enrique

The word assassination, had no reason to be in the context of her statement. She could have just said. Robert Kennedy had also ran a campaign into June. That is all...the word assassination was not needed. Everyone knows what happened to RFK.

[BlooInBloo]

3. It's not a gaffe when you do it over and over and over. It's a fucking TACTIC...

It doesn't even pass the laugh test for gaffe-dom.

[Crazy Dave]

4. KO had a list of about 100 things she's been excused for over the campaign

Yet she still claims she's the victim and being treated unfairly

[sniffa]

5. Unforgivable

[TwilightGardener]

8. I really resent being blamed for seeing this incident clearly for what it is.

I resent being accused of overreacting for thinking that she meant what she said.

[beezlebum]

12. so do i.

it's making more angry, being accused of "overreacting."

[Bluebear]

10. Oh goody, it's not official until it's a "gate" and a "meme"

:)

[backscatter712]

11. UNFORGIVABLE!

KO was right. This is the kind of thing where an apology just doesn't cut it. Hillary has just shown that she is completely unsuitable to be President.

She needs to get out now!

[hiaasenrocks]

13. "the 'i don't think she meant anything by it/gaffe' meme" meme

Again? Really?

[beezlebum]

20. '''"i don't think she meant anything by it gaffe" meme' meme' meme?

again really?1

i have seen that countless times. are you calling them out too?

[liberalhistorian]

14. You've nailed it perfectly.

This was no accident. She knew exactly what she was saying and meant to say it. She was just arrogant enough to think it wouldn't cause this kind of a shitstorm, especially since she's been able to get away with the same sentiments previously. The Clintons rarely, if ever, say anything publicly by "accident." There's always a calculation and purpose behind it.

[beezlebum]

23. oh i think she knew there'd be a shitstorm

but that she could get away with it anyway, because she's still planted & fertilized that seed of doubt/worry.

agreed.

[CaptJasHook]

16. Have faith, you are not knee jerking

There is a definite pattern. And it needs to be called out for what it is, wedge politics from a candidate who cannot see what is in front of her.

[crankychatter]

for the most part we're arguing with republican operatives

they're coming out of the fucking woodwork

there is NO unity problem

[beezlebum]

24. i was encouraged to see some

longtime DU Clinton supporters recognizing that there is no justification to be made, and, i do believe you are right- rep operatives are wasting my time and energy...

[libnnc]

18. Dog whistle to scare the SDs

that's exactly what they're doing

been doing it all along

[Pathwalker]

22. Are you Sylvia Browne, Kreskin or Dr. Joyce Brothers?

So much supposed psychic ability....do you make money of this "gift" of reading people's thoughts and intentions?

[BlooInBloo]

25. Thankfully, you don't have to be. You just have to be a competent English speaker.

[Pathwalker]

27. Bwwwaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaa!

:rofl: Half the people here can't even spell. :rofl: :rofl:

BTW: John McCain's had FOUR bouts of skin cancer since 2000. Funny how that slipped past everyone's attention....it's not like there's not wall to wall coverage of THAT, now is it? Oh wait, they never mentioned it - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

[beezlebum]

26. more like

an average sentient voter who has observed some very nasty tactics over the last 5 months and noted the repeated suggestion among others.

it's pretty obvious, one doesn't need much insight to see what she is getting at.

[tblue37]

29. When I said once is a mistake, three times is a pattern,

BlooInBloo retorted that three times is a tactic:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6108152&mesg_id=6108452

He's good.

[beezlebum]

30. he is good.

i knew that. :)

:hi: bloo

[Carolina]

31. not only is there absolutely no excuse

for her words, but even her alleged timeline argument is flawed. In 1968 and 1992, primary campaigns didn’t really get started until ~February. In fact in 1968, RFK didn’t announce until March much to the ire of those who felt he was undercutting Gene McCarthy who had won in New Hampshire and shown how weak LBJ was. That’s why LBJ announced, also in March, that he “would not seek nor would he accept the nomination of his party…” I remember it like it was yesterday since I worked on RFK's campaign and lived in DC.

And while CA may have put Bill officially over the top in June 1992, he had already essentially sown up the nomination in April.

Hillary is a liar and her words truly revealed her ugly and craven heart. There is no excuse or absolution for them.

edited to add: She is also not fit to serve in RFK's senate seat!

[ampad]

32. I'm not giving her the benefit of the doubt

She is showing us who she is and I refuse to take her for granted. She knew exactly what she was saying as she had no problem repeating it over and over. Obama's bitter comment was a gaffe and people knew exactly what the man was saying. I only know of one time that he made such a comment but you couldn't tell the hillbots that who were pushing it for all it was worth on this board. What she said was no gaffe, she repeated that nonsense. She gets chance after chance to repeat such shit, could you imagine if Obama would of said such a thing about her? Oh hell the MSM would be talking about it all the way up to Nov and her supporters would of burned an effigy of him at the stake. The double standard an hypocrisy is astonishing and I cannot believe there are some on this board speculating that Axelrod will use this. I think they are smart enough to know not to touch her words as they do their own damage on their own. You see, that is the difference between Obama who has class and Hillary who has none. She jumped all over bitter gate using it to her advantage. Obama made one statement and left it at that and he had every right to make such statement since her words were so nasty.

I'm not going to let them tell me what I heard and what it meant. They can defend her till they are blue in the face but it is obvious that this is not sitting well with people. I'm sure come next week this will still be front and center.

[RazBerryBeret]

33. Exactly...and remember She's a Lawyer...

In the context of Obama, Clinton's words broke a double taboo, because since the beginning of his candidacy, some of Obama's supporters have feared that his race made him more of a target than other presidential hopefuls. Obama was placed under Secret Service protection early, a full year ago.

To be unaware that one's words tap into a monumental fear that exists in a portion of the electorate -- a fear that Obama's race could get him killed -- is an unusual mistake for a serious and highly disciplined presidential candidate.

[beezlebum]

34. i haven't really slowed down to

really consider the scope of this whole thing.

i knew it was awful on a number of levels when i saw the first subjectline.

but it seems to just keep growing and growing in abhorrence- and here, you point out the fact that obama's security detail had already been beefed up early on, and she still sought to repeat this garbage- it amazes me that anyone is excusing it, or expecting others to just let it go.

at the very least, i would hope people would understand the anger over this. but i have to keep reminding myself that, as crankychatter pointed out, i'm sure it's largely operatives here rolling their eyes and telling everyone to "calm down."

[Overseas]

35. Very sad that this isn't the first time she said it and esp. after the Huckster

Huckabee made those grotesque comments so very recently at the NRA convention, she should have dropped that reference from her list. I'm still reeling from the Huckster's creepy remarks and would think she was too. That should have been enough to prompt her to drop that reference from her "June campaigns are okay" talking point list.